 Setting Question: DeeCee, Looking for additional info |
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 Aug 31 2005, 12:01 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 30-August 05 Member No.: 7,650  |
Hi folks. I've been away from SR and RPGs in general for a few years while I was away from my old group on a job in Washington, DC. Now that I'm back with them and the new SR4 is comming out I'm being asked to GM a game. I'm toying with the idea of using the DeeCee sprawl as a setting. As I said, however, I've been a bit out of it for a while and I know I've probably missed some references etc in the various sourcebooks. I've read the Shadows of NA bit on DeeCee (more of a footnote really) but that's all I know. Anyone out there have any cannonical material I should add?
Another question about the area is that I read somewhere that CAS and UCAS split VA in half as a sort of buffer zone. All the maps I've looked at, however, seem to show all of VA as being in CAS. Anyone have an idea what is technically in CAS and what is in UCAS in that area? Is it Arlington only or something? Obviously I'll be modifying the cannon if it doesn't fit my setting but I like to stick as close to it as possible. Thanks for your help. |
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Aug 31 2005, 12:15 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Well, depends on how far back you want to go. pp 86 to 101 of NAGNA has a fair bit on the DeeCee Sprawl circa 2050. SoNA is probably your best bet for the most up-to-date information. There's precious little information on the Sixth World Wiki:
http://wiki.dumpshock.com/index.php/Washington_FDC Virginia is all CAS as far as I know, but there was a rebellious faction that was trying to secede into North Virginia for a while (as a UCAS state). Details of this are quite unclear, but I think it was in a couple of the novels. |
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Aug 31 2005, 12:23 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
From what I remember (which isn't much), I thought all of Arlington and Alexandria remained with UCAS, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a larger chunk than that. It could easily go farther out, all the way to Dulles and and much farther south. Though not Quantico, the USMC remained with the CAS. I do wonder though about areas such as Woodbridge, less than an hour from DeeCee. But eh, this is from what I thought I remembered about reading.
I thought it was sticking point to the CAS gov't that Northern VA remained with UCAS. |
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Aug 31 2005, 12:25 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
A map of the Virginia/North Virginia border and Federal District courtesy of Raygun, and Jon Szeto IIRC.
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Aug 31 2005, 12:33 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Awesome! thanks for the map. Hmmm.. Yikes. so the UCAS do have Quantico. Ok, great training facilities then for the FBI still. lol.
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Aug 31 2005, 12:38 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
I don't think the map's canon canon, but it's as near to it as you can get without it appearing in one of the books or on the site.
The general explanation given was that the UCAS carved off the northern half of Virginia during the secession and created the new state as a buffer zone because they weren't all that comfortable with their capital being that close to the border otherwise. I figured they probably just traded off some goodies during the division of assets in exchange for it. Depending on if you follow the novels and whether it's considered canon, the CAS - or at least factions within it like the DSI - supposedly tried to covertly retake the state in the 'Just Compensation' novel although I think SoNA tries to kind of sidestep the whole affair. |
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Aug 31 2005, 12:44 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Right, I remember reading that novel and how the group tangling up with some Marine Ferrets. Whatever happened to the fan sites that did some special focus on specific military units? I managed to find it once but there were so many broken links for many of the units.
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Aug 31 2005, 12:57 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
You probably mean the now defunct Shadowrun Military Site. But yeah, even before it closed for good a lot of the links were dead. I had some luck quite a while back poking around with a few of the Internet Archive type sites so you could always try that. But back to business. The main sourcebooks with any information on Washington are Neo-Anarchists Guide to North America from closer the start of the game in 2055 and is fairly in-depth, Shadows of North America has a small two page update eight years later in 2063 but that's mostly taken up with the political parties IIRC, Portfolio of a Dragon introduces the Astral Rift, Target Awakened Lands has a half page update on it, the Underworld Sourcebook I think mentions who's head of the local Mafia and 'Ambassador' to the UCAS. The novel Just Compensation as well but I'm not sure what its status is since it had that whole military coup d'etat, which was just a little too out there IMO. |
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Aug 31 2005, 01:12 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Which I just noticed is not available on DriveThru. argh! :S |
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Aug 31 2005, 05:20 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 30-August 05 Member No.: 7,650 |
Thanks for all the great info. The buffer zone in that map is a bit bigger than I had anticipated (Souty of Fredericksburg?) but that's very cool. I was planning on running the setting such that NE of the Potomac are tightly controlled and policed for governmental security reasons. So much so that I was going to maintain the ban on firearms for private citizens (not that it means there aren't any, its just bad to get caught with one). SW of the river, however, is a different story. As a buffer zone its a bit of a free trade zone with various goods from CAS and UCAS exchanging hands not to mention your standard run of the mill black markets. Of course, much of this is still guided and controlled by the politicians in DeeCee but hey, they've got vices too. It looks like according to the Wiki, however, FDC annexed all of Fairfax and Arlington which may make it a place with very few shadows... hrmm.
The point was to do something that isn't Seattle but that I've got enough personal knowledge of geography etc to make it playable for me as a GM. |
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Aug 31 2005, 01:44 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Sounds pretty good. Yeah, Neo-Anarchist's guide is *GREAT*. You might want to look on ebay. I don't think it'll be released for some time.
I always assumed NoVa was split off because Northern Virginia is completely different from the rest of the state. It really is like an extension of DC. Alright, I don't have a lot to say that hasn't already been covered, but as I have my location listed as "DeeCee", I felt compelled to at least say 'hi'. |
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Aug 31 2005, 04:30 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Hi there, fellow DeeCee-er (or something like that) What area do ye mainly run out of? I used to live in MD, but now I'm over by Tyson's corner. |
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Aug 31 2005, 05:40 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Jumped from Beltsville to Silver Spring (wooo! D area to C!) I'm trying to keep out of VA. Your side of the beltway is nuts.
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Aug 31 2005, 06:44 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 30-August 05 Member No.: 7,650 |
No no no... you got it all wrong. VA is where it's at. 2 Years in Falls church and 3 in Arlington (Ballston). Whouldn't trade it for the world. Of course, I had to move out of DeeCee so that I could afford a house... but that's a different matter altogether. |
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Aug 31 2005, 07:00 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
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Aug 31 2005, 08:05 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Jesus... |
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Aug 31 2005, 08:13 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
What elicited that repsonse? :? |
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Aug 31 2005, 09:21 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Aye, what's wrong with that old thread. Reading it again was a blast since I had forgotten that I posted in there. |
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Aug 31 2005, 11:40 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
And I was right. For anyone interested, the Shadowrun Military Site and a second smaller version but with a few extras. Most of the links work, just beware the first two CAS ones as the text is the same colour as the background so do a Ctrl-A to see it. Some of it's quite good but other parts have been completely contradicted by canon by this point so use what you feel like. :) |
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Aug 31 2005, 11:49 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
It puts a lot of things in perspective from the history section in Fourth Edition. Things which would also be helped tremendously by having System Failure. |
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