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Saito, Whatever happened to him

Gothic Rose View Member Profile	Oct 8 2005, 07:40 PM Post #26
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Oct 9 2005, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE (Eyeless Blond)

Nah, there were too many other groups involved for just one to rule the roost without a gigantic multi-sided civil war. My guess is that everyone went back to Calfree, giving what was a slightly bumpy but abnormally smooth transition. Of course in the wake of Saito's racist tendencies San Fran immediately backlashed and went back to its roots as the most racially, sexually, and every other -ally liberal city in the former US.

Ofcourse, the idea of a coalition of anti-Saito groups (MPA and others) overthrowing him and establishing a radical Ork state right in the butt of the Tir in the mids of "interventionist" invasions from the PCC and Aztlan has its own appeal. Just going back to a pre-Jap calfree (which never was, they've invited the Japs almost in the beginning) would be less interesting than creating a change in the North American political map. Now, ORC (the organization), MOM and other "Orksploitation" (sp?) groups might try to do the same in the UCAS - or, for a more McCarthy flavor, the UCAS asdministration will suspect them of planning to do so, even if they had no such intentions themselves.

I smell a lot of player motivations, a lot of potential political runs, and, more than everything, powerful men and women offering a lot of nuyen :nuyen::nuyen::nuyen: to runners for such political runs.

Eyeless Blond View Member Profile	Oct 9 2005, 10:37 AM Post #28
Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156	I suspect we're saying basically the same thing here really. I also like the idea of SF becoming extremely meta-friendly, but I don't think it should be limited to just orks, or even just orks and trolls. I kinda want to see SF made into city of freaks (kinda like it is today :D), letting in everyone of non-human blood, just as a cultural backlash against Saito. But it wouldn't just be the MPA doing it, and the MPA wouldn't alone rule the roost there, simply because they weren't even the biggest or highest profile group. That would go to the People's University, part of the October 25th Alliance. That group I could see going in after Saito got his jackboots shoved up his @$$ and creating a real city out of SF. If anything the MPA would take their millitant views on to the next crusade against freedom, namely Tir Tarngire who still has a stranglehold over a large part of northern Calfree. And yes, the emergence of a city of misfits, especially one where Humanis had dug itself in so deep just a scant few years before, would create plenty of room for runs right there. Then you've got the Triads attempting to move themselves in over the Yaks, Horizon and the other corps trying to oust the Japanicorps, etc etc... fun times. :)

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Oct 9 2005, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE (Eyeless Blond)

But it wouldn't just be the MPA doing it, and the MPA wouldn't alone rule the roost there, simply because they weren't even the biggest or highest profile group. That would go to the People's University, part of the October 25th Alliance. That group I could see going in after Saito got his jackboots shoved up his @$$ and creating a real city out of SF. If anything the MPA would take their millitant views on to the next crusade against freedom, namely Tir Tarngire who still has a stranglehold over a large part of northern Calfree.

That's exactly what I meat by a "Coalition" :)
A radical city of misfits sticking like a thore thumb right in the @$$ of the Tir, with a not-so-corp-friendly government and various counter-culture elements becomming its "mainstream" culture. The exact recepie for alot of political intrigue, if you ask me )

Eyeless Blond View Member Profile	Oct 9 2005, 12:31 PM Post #30
Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156	Which is why I said we're basically saying the same thing. :)

SL James View Member Profile	Oct 9 2005, 06:45 PM Post #31
Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473	Oh, and MCT would probably be interested in California for the same reasons everyone else is: it's a literal beachhead into North America for their Asian interests, and it is full of natural resources to ra... expl... utilize.

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Oct 10 2005, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE (SL James)

Oh, and MCT would probably be interested in California for the same reasons everyone else is: it's a literal beachhead into North America for their Asian interests, and it is full of natural resources to ra... expl... utilize.

you mean develope?

SL James View Member Profile	Oct 10 2005, 01:26 AM Post #33
Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473	Yeah... Develop. That's it.

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Oct 10 2005, 06:37 AM

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QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Oct 8 2005, 11:14 AM)

And for all those who don't think that a massive firestorm is a plausible backdrop for a Calfree->PCC->Aztalan war, consider this: in the last three weeks, nearly half a million acres of grassland in the LA and San Diego areas have burned. I doubt that even made nationwide news, though, because it happens damn near every year and we're used to it........All these ideas are free. Unfortunately Canon's decision was that LA has become an island. LA is a basin, surrounded by hills; it has about as much chance of becoming an island because of an earthquake as New Orleans does of becoming a mountain because of another hurricane. :P

:eek: :notworthy: Dude! This idea is freaking awesome! If I were you, I'd submit this idea as a new adventure book to FanPro (with the qualification that the LA-as-island blurp in SR4 is really just in erroneous bit of rumor that an aging Fastjack mistook as fact, of course). 8)

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Oct 10 2005, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE (NightmareX)

:eek: :notworthy: Dude! This idea is freaking awesome! If I were you, I'd submit this idea as a new adventure book to FanPro (with the qualification that the LA-as-island blurp in SR4 is really just in erroneous bit of rumor that an aging Fastjack mistook as fact, of course). 8)

:rotfl: Oh I so wish. It'll never work though, at least not with me as the writer; I have my moments, but mostly I wouldn't be able to write verbosely or well enough to get a book through. If any of the freelancers or devs who frequent these forums want to steal these ideas or are interested in anything else I have squirreled away in my brain they're welcome to it, for free even.

Just put me in an Acknowledgements footnote or something and I'll be happy. :)

Omer Joel View Member Profile	Oct 19 2005, 11:29 AM Post #36
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Rehovot, Israel Member No.: 265	I'm thinking of CalFree as the site for my next campaign (taking a break from Seattle and Jerusalem); aside from the old CalFree book (duh), SR4 and Year/Wake of the Comet, what books are relevant to the area, to Saito (who's dead by 2070 but the scars caused by him aren't healed yet), to the MPA, to the People's University and to the October 25th Alliance?

Grinder View Member Profile	Oct 19 2005, 11:41 AM Post #37
Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698	Threats 2 contains an article about Saito.

Omer Joel

Oct 19 2005, 04:23 PM

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All I can find in System Failure about Saito is that MCT pulled out of Tsimisham and moved into SanFran to help him. Nothing about him leaving.

Hmmm... If MCT were helping him, how come they "consolidated their power in SF" according to SR4 - didn't the new (Ares- and probably Yamatetsu/Evo-friendly; extremely anti-Saito) government do anything about them, or did Yakashima (his main corporate backers) take all the blame?

PlatonicPimp View Member Profile	Oct 19 2005, 05:21 PM Post #39
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320	Honestly, despite all the people who came to oust Saito, what really happened is that after MCT consolidated their assets in San-fran, they no longer had any need for Saito. Since he was bad PR, they cut him loose.

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Oct 19 2005, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE (SR4 @ 42)

In any case, they’ve established quite a presence in CalFree over the last few years, taking a lead role in the control of San Francisco following the fall of rogue General Saito.

Omer Joel View Member Profile	Oct 20 2005, 10:39 AM Post #41
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Rehovot, Israel Member No.: 265	Ofcourse, there will always those who'll remember MCT's support of Saito :evil:

Omer Joel View Member Profile	Oct 23 2005, 01:12 PM Post #42
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Rehovot, Israel Member No.: 265	So I guess that Yakashima, Shaiwase (sp?) and the former-Fuchi parts of Novatech/NeoNet would take the greatest blame and would be hit hardest by post-Liberation "popular actions" by the MPA/Oct25Alliance - to the joy of Ares and Yamatetsu/Evo (who's meta-friendly image would help much to gain inroads into SF's Provisional Government). MCT would just hold tight and survive, maybe even buying resources extra-cheap when some of their competitors wil be kicked back to Japan. And, ofcourse, the Triads are going to take alot of territory from the Yaks, especially considering the Yakuza support of Saito and the good relations between the Triads and the resistance movements (who are now in power). And last but not least, don't forget the possibility that some of Saito's goons haven't been killed or driven away yet - they'd probably be still lurking underground, assisting the (now highly illegal) Humanis/Alamos2K/Human Nation terrorists, or go north and join the Humanis "night raiders" in the Northern Crescent. All in all, a perfect place for a Shadowrun campaign :evil:.

Omer Joel

Oct 25 2005, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE (SR4 @ 42)

In any case, they’ve established quite a presence in CalFree over the last few years, taking a lead role in the control of San Francisco following the fall of rogue General Saito.

Seems quite strange, especially if you re-read SR3 info about Saito and how strong were the "ties" between him and MCT (read: leash held by the corp). They're mentioned in almost every place that mentions Saito. I think they had to pull one hell of a media spin to get rid of that reputation, now that it was open season for Ares and that the MPA/Oct25Alliance forces were top dog. Probably had to arrest and hand over "traitors" (read: scapegoats) who "have subverted to the corp into a betrayal in both the Emperor and the 'fine people of California'". Even though, they aren't going to be popular - but they came out on top of the situation as they've taken over alot of resources from Japanacorps who had to run with the tail between their legs from the MPA/Oct25Alliance revolutionary forces.

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