 Ghosts With No Shells [System Failure SPOILERS] |
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 Sep 5 2005, 07:08 PM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263  |
Well ya, only it still is a pretty damn Bad Thing™. ;) Admittedly Chicago is slowly becoming faded past and less and less a problem for Ares/Knight as time passes. IRL Union Carbide has mostly been able survive past the death of 10,000's in Bhopal India behind them, although they had to go through a company name change to do it. It has now been twenty years, and though people still bring it up it doesn't seem to be nearly as huge a burden for Dow anymore. For Cermak it's been about 15 years in game time. |
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Sep 5 2005, 07:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,507 Joined: 27-January 05 From: ...and I'm all out of bubblegum Member No.: 7,021 |
Threats 2. |
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Sep 5 2005, 07:52 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the "Ares connection" with shedim is a mid-level manager at an Ares subsidiary who got inhabited by a master shedim. i wouldn't quite say that Ares is riddled with shedim.
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Sep 5 2005, 08:29 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yeah. He's not even a VP of Ares. He's a VP at GM.
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Sep 5 2005, 08:38 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
I didn't say riddled with shedim, just wierd magic badness. I don't think there is anything about master shedim working together to help each other infiltrate an organization. The bugs are by far the more troubling aspect. I'm not sure which would be worse, Knight knowing about that project or not knowing about. It just seems that the signs are building that Ares is headed for a serious slide. In spite of picking up some assests right after the Crash. |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:27 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Does it concern anyone else that one of these "ghosts" is/was a dragon?
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Sep 6 2005, 08:30 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
say what?
that means that the utility could read brains thru trodes or something. or else that dragon had gotten the impossible done and gotten a datajack installed! :eek: |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:33 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I'm guessing you haven't read Dragons of the Sixth World. Long and short of it, yes, there is a dragon with a datajack. That dragon was also sucked into the Matrix (and ends up in a setting the is described very similarly to Alice's world, actually) while its meat body is comatose.
I'm not even sure Deus, Mirage, and Meagera are dead. I have serious doubts that Alice really is. It seems strange to kill off the first Ghost in the Machine at the same time there is a section on how to deal with them if a PC becomes one including multiple ways to calculate stats. Then again, there are a lot of things that don't make sense in Shadowrun. This wouldn't even crack the top ten. |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:54 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
nope no dragons book on me, looks like i have missed out on something there :P
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Sep 6 2005, 08:57 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Well, Dragons of the Sixth World has the reference to Neurosis (the dragon known as Eliohann), who typically uses an icon of a three-headed dog (supposedly the same icon of a flatlined decker, whose persona he "stole"). But it goes back even further, to an early 1991 run called Dragon Hunt (barely out of the 2050s, there), where we first meet the datajacked Dragon. There is a Sixth World Wiki entry on him: http://wiki.dumpshock.com/index.php/Eliohann |
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Sep 6 2005, 09:07 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, the very tought of a team being able to survive a encounter with a dragon, much less capturing him alive is a bit odd...
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Sep 6 2005, 09:11 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Well, this was a newly Awakened dragon who was fascinated with technology (which was used as "bait" to capture him by professional critter hunters)... the combination of the dragon's naive nature and the critter hunters' expertise got him. After his capture and implantation, the dragon was "willingly" cooperating with his captors to get "hits" of the Matrix (he was addicted to the Matrix). The end of the Dragon Hunt has the runners dumbfounded as the Dragon himself says "There's no need to rescue me", despite the fact that the runners had to break into the clinic and possible take out several security guards in the process. It's an interesting run, especially for being written so early in the development cycle of Shadowrun. |
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Sep 7 2005, 12:20 AM
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Dumpshock Widow aka Mrs Fisty Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next to Him Member No.: 6,929 |
WTF?! Where the hell did Nadja Daviar go?? I have got to get that FREAKING book!
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Sep 7 2005, 01:25 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Word of warning - If you think this book will give you even the slightest clue, you're sorely mistaken.
And that's one of the reasons why I got it. |
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Sep 7 2005, 05:43 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Jong:
WTF!
At the risk of repeating myself and demonstrating a vocabulary definfency .... WTF!?!?! Damn I need to get that book. Just got SoA BTW> Always get a kick out of seeing your name in there. And D.E. posting. BTW D.E., if you're watching, I assume that DE is a character of yours? What kind ? Decker? just curios |
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Sep 7 2005, 06:08 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
This is a miscommunication of the master shedim entry in Threats 2. |
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Sep 7 2005, 07:30 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I like the idea that the Seraphim, who were all badass in Corporate Download and elsewhere got their asses handed to them, big-time.
I don't really like some of the effects of the Crash, that the worst that may happen is crappy Matrix and that it may affect a SIN with the edges & flaws from Sprawl Survival Guide, and that too many people got off easy. Personally, I'm playing it up as it's the end of the world as nearly everyone know it. Asses will bleed. |
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Sep 7 2005, 07:41 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Demonseed Elite is Jay's staple character and an Otaku from Calcutta, so I thought it an appropriate voice given that Jay and I cooperated on several elements of the Indian Subcontinent chapter (ie. Orissa) |
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Sep 7 2005, 07:45 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
ahh... that I remember. Thanks Blakkie for clearing THAT one up.
That's the only side effects felt? You're kidding, right? Wouldn't the fall of the Matrix have side effects near that to the '29 crash (assuming most folks learned their lesson of 'back up everything') Synner:thanks, that explains a lot, including D.E.'s frustration at people misunderstanding/using otaku, which I tend to agree with. Still not sure if I'm thrilled about 'technomancers', but I should get my 4th ed. on Friday (Thanks to my FLGS! That store guy needsa friggin' cape). Guess we'll see then if I become Fistandantilus4.0 or 3.5. |
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Sep 7 2005, 07:56 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
He's either kidding or ignoring many of the options provided in the Crash 2.0 chapter game info. That particular section covers some of the potential transport disruptions, communication breakdown, mechanized disasters and social chaos as fallout of the Crash and EMP strikes. Note it doesn't include the "secondary damage" caused by the Firnbul winter, the release of Ymir and Surtr, or the direct damage from the limited nuclear detonations (rather than the enhanced EMP) which has been left for gamemasters to scale to their needs and the tone of their campaigns. The death toll is in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. |
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Sep 7 2005, 07:59 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
ok, yeah, need to get the book now. Thanks Synner. any ETA yet? I'd have the stupid pdf by now if I wasn't restricted to only having the internet at work ATM. Need book.
No SystemFailure no SoLA make Fistandantilus something something..... [ Spoiler ]
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Sep 7 2005, 09:32 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
The options are too tame, and if that's the case then there shouldn't even be static on the trids because the power's out everywhere.
Can't happen. No one's trid works.
See above. Too. Tame. Everything. Everything should be down. The idea of FM and AM radio, of VHF and UHF televsion, in 2064 is a crazy nightmare of the Bad Old Days in light of Matrix content distribution. Sure, GridGuide's down, but my perception and what's actually written are considerably different as to the Hell which the world would be subjected to. The options are a nice start. I can't even begin to fathom the above, let alone how anything comes back up anytime in the forseeable future (let alone the whole world being fairly okay by summer). It's the end of the world, but somehow it doesn't really seem like it. Oh, except Europe. Lucky them. |
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Sep 7 2005, 10:24 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Too tame?
One could even argue that, considering the redundant clustered construction oft the matrix, it's quite impressive the second 'crash' happened at all, ..because, well - the explicit reason the matrix was constructed this way was the lesson from the first crash: to prevent a second. Considering that, it is at least one of the more plausible aspects of SF to state that the matrix was never down in its entirety, even though the attacks were launched from multiple points. |
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Sep 7 2005, 12:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Austin, TX CAS Member No.: 1,097 |
It was my understanding (having not yet to have read the book) that not all of the "emp nukes" went off. If that is correct then wouldn't it possible for certain trids in certain regions to still be up and running?
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Sep 7 2005, 01:00 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I'm not sure about technomancers yet either. I'm still processing them. The concept of them isn't the direction I would have gone, but it's possible someone will do some really cool things with them that will change my mind. |
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