 Ghosts With No Shells [System Failure SPOILERS] |
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 Sep 7 2005, 01:03 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000  Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951  |
Indeed. Compared to the first crash, the second one was a crash 'light'. It was just perceived as much more devastating, as the matrix was much more integrated into everyday life than the internet. What is really gone right now is CSS - most commsats 'went home' - in this respect, SR4 is less 'wireless' than SR3. ;) |
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Sep 8 2005, 08:33 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
It's a shame there aren't more fission reactors in the Sixth World.
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Sep 11 2005, 07:32 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 11-December 02 Member No.: 3,722 |
I broke down and picked up the System Failure PDF.
I really really nervous to read it since it's like.....watching a good friend dying on life support or something. Yes, it's a fairly sad and pathetic existence I lead. |
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Sep 11 2005, 07:53 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
so did you have any specific thoughts on where to go with the otaku before technomancers? Personally, I think that picture in (I think Matrix) of the little girl with the teddy bear and datajack, and the hand descending from the copmuter board really summed them up for me. Dirty (at least at first, very street-orphan-ish), apart from the rest of the world, uncouth, mysterious, even dangerous (which is saying something for a 7 year old), and part of something much larger. I loved the whole 'creepy kid 'vibe, and that these were children being used for the purposes of something completely alien to our normal way of thinking. I don't know whta the hell I see technomancers as, except *cringe* Neo |
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Sep 11 2005, 07:59 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Well, if you want a cooler example, you can try the Bishop, from Avalon
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Sep 11 2005, 08:27 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
honestly, I'll most likely never get a chance to. Any chance you could some it up Bobby-ol'buddy ol' pal?
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Sep 11 2005, 03:56 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
My main problem with Technomancers in SR4 is that they do not require a datajack or cyber-commlink. Since all known otaku, and ghosts in the machine, where plugged in and changed somehow by an AI or similar, how do Technomancers who weren't plugged in at the crash, or plug in later, get their reworked brain-structure and abilities?
Also, I think we will need a sourcebook with updates and 'in-between' story for the years 2065-2070. SR4 so far leaves the time almost untouched, but I'm hoping that the upcoming Magic and Matrix books might go into larger detail. To name a few questions: [ Spoiler ]
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Sep 11 2005, 04:49 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
My first thought and my favorite, concerning otaku, was for them to be NPC-only. I think they are great setting elements (just like you described them and that picture in Matrix) but they don't mesh very well with the player world of a shadowrunning team. I feel the same way about other elements of SR, like ghouls, shapeshifters, ghosts in the machine, and free spirits. But that's not the direction all players prefer and it's not the direction the SR developers wanted to go. If I were hypothetically told to personally write up SR4 otaku and integrate them into the game I probably would have done it similar to the way it was done, but they would have continued to use commlinks. I just personally have a real hard time wrapping my head around that part of SR4's technomancers, and I said so during development, but it wasn't my show. I do like what was done with SR4's techomancers, though, besides that one point. I think they are better integrated into the game, which was the stated goal. |
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Sep 11 2005, 04:53 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
snowRaven, I'm sure that at least some of those questions will be answered. I don't think they will be answered in any sort of in-between story product, but they will likely be answered in other ways. I'd be pretty surprised if you don't see a lot more on the subject of the AIs in Unwired.
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Sep 11 2005, 08:04 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I find that strange coming from someone whose Otaku had made appearances in several sourcebooks.
You mean that it's biologically impossible? Yeah, I can't imagine why people would have problems with that. |
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Sep 11 2005, 08:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 134 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 1,525 |
I would have made the otaku discover a method to fight off the warding that was a combination of, I don't know, simsense therapy, chemical injections, and transient nanites that left them physically in poor shape.
They'd essentially be addicted to this constant upkeep, suffering fading as well as physical withdraw if they went too long without it. Having grown up cracking data as a matter of habit you'd see few, if any, integrate into corporate lifestyle at any point in their future. Combine this with a deep paranoid fear of the Man who runs the matrix and defines these access restrictions that they feel an almost religious zeal to break, and I think you can see why they'd turn to running in order to aquire their continued treatments. |
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Sep 11 2005, 08:23 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Why's that strange? |
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Sep 11 2005, 08:45 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
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Sep 11 2005, 11:47 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yeah. They did actively impede KSAF though.
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Sep 12 2005, 12:15 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
Yes, I didn't say they sent the thor shot - but it seems they were assisting whomever did - as James pointed out. Plus, although it isn't explicitly stated, I get the feeling from the way Priault words the message that S-K might've had a hand in finding him, as well. But that part is pure speculation. |
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Sep 12 2005, 12:18 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
I don't expect an in-between product either (hell, SF is the in-between product, really...) - I had just hoped for a little more 'meat' on the long-term aftermath in SF, as well as SR4, since some of the threads left dangling are the size of Lofwyr's ****... |
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Sep 12 2005, 12:39 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I'm just wondering how a person as famous and monitored, with as many staffers and security personnel as Nadja Daviar has just disappears.
I mean, if the image on page 106 is any indication the assault on the White House would have required the NR to kill or incapacitate many dozens of people, and do so with enough speed and precision to defeat the Secret Service's best on their home turf badly enough that they didn't even make it into the Oval Office before the soldiers did even though there are agents stationed outside the doors the soldiers in the foreground would have had to go through. That's doesn't require some creative license so much as it does a massive suspension of disbelief. |
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Sep 12 2005, 01:09 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
<rubs_eyes> Reality check, kids. Shadowrun's setting is built up on a careful lattice of suspended disbelief. For Ghosts sake, if you can accept dragons ruling megacorps ruling nations, the dissapearence of one elf chica - I may add here that one of the staples of the game is carefully planned and skillfully executed extractions and assassinations - should not rate that much high on the disbelief scale. There are many, many other factors that could do with a much higher percentage of your brain time.
Thank you citizens. I now return you to your already scheduled thread, already in progress. |
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Sep 12 2005, 01:17 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
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Sep 12 2005, 01:30 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yes, but it becomes a bit harder if you've ever actually been in the White House.
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Sep 12 2005, 02:01 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Even the best security can be utterly decimated, it is just a matter of knowning its weaknesses and exploiting them. The White House is no exception. If anything, it is less secure than most top secret military and megacorp facilities simply because the security has to be very transparent. Of course, it is always possible that she just freaking Netherwalked to the metaplanes and poped back out in her secret antartic fortress of solitude because she needed a break from the spotlight. |
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Sep 12 2005, 04:15 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
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Sep 12 2005, 08:10 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
It's also possible that a significant number of White House staffers and Secret Service men on duty on the particular night were secret NR-sympathizers (or at least a few strategically placed ones)...
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Sep 12 2005, 02:10 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
As for Daviar, just pretend all her government bodyguards were NR guys, and that Ryan Mercury was gunned down while defending her. ;)
The book's picture is not exactly what I had envisioned, but it's makes the point and is very amusing. I didn't imagine Haeffner as Peter Parker's editor. :D |
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Sep 12 2005, 02:42 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
His corpse burned and the ash buried within a magical sealed box of orichalcum deep in the australian outback, guarded by a bataillion of Special Forces Drop Bears. So he will never come back. That would be nice. |
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