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 Sep 6 2005, 07:13 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332  |
Yeah, and the corpos will be the first to install that as defenses... Imagine an AR equivalent of a black Ice. You enter the restricted area with your commlink open (oops!) and as the system recognize you as an intruder (because your system doesn't broadcast a registered ID), you get bombarded with a signal that tells to your senses that you are being boiled alive... That must be somewhat... crippling... I will also allow my players (if I can get some around here one day) to customize their Commlink and PAN, so that other online AR viewer can see special effects swirling around them, or even feel stuff. For instance, I can imagine a Hacker named Iceberg to have a AR blue aura around him, with giant snowflakes slowly falling around him, and when you get close you can actually "feel" a cold wave. How long before Hackers use AR "spells" like an AR fireball that tells your senses that your flesh is burning? A big fat can of worm here... Mike |
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Sep 6 2005, 07:31 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Nothing to stop the user from shutting off any ASIST signals. In fact, most AR is described as visual/audio primarily, with very little sensorium beyond that (unless you have a touch link, simrig, or sim-module), certainly not enough to overwhelm your senses unless you had specific ware that made you vulnerable. VR is a different story, of course (full ASIST).
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Sep 6 2005, 01:03 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
audio/video are our primary senses tho. flood video and the runner cant see a thing. flood audio and he may be screaming in pain soon.
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Sep 6 2005, 01:24 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
So using AR saves them money on speakers, disco balls, and Saturday Night Fever royalties? Only the reciever can turn off?
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Sep 6 2005, 01:52 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Pop-up blockers, anyone?
Considering the number of people who would engage in that sort of spammage, I suspect some bright twit would develop filter controls or a similar means of excluding unwanted AR. -Siege |
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Sep 6 2005, 01:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 875 Joined: 16-November 03 Member No.: 5,827 |
You can always choose, who has (legal) access to your PAN.
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Sep 6 2005, 02:34 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i imagine there are filters. i also imagine that there are ways around filters being developed daily.
AR saves advertisers on more than just speakers and disco balls. it means you don't have to have a physical setup. it means your free samples can cost you next to nothing. it means that interested future consumers don't have to stop and write your number/address down. it means quite a bit. |
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Sep 6 2005, 02:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
I won't say this sort of thing can't happen (I was inclined to do so, but then thought about all the computers made these days that have physical on/off and reset buttons that fail to work after a software crash, because instead of physically cutting off current they're designed to communicate with the OS), but anyone who relies on their commlink for life and death situations should simply get one with redundant mechanical controls and overrides... Or buy military gear, presumably designed from the ground up with being hacked by the enemy in mind.
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Sep 6 2005, 03:12 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
And built by the lowest bidder...
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Sep 6 2005, 03:22 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Not always true. Sometimes the spec or confidence in the bidder delivering is part of the bid criteria, which allows corruption to also be involved. ;)
Well ya, that's what i was getting at with speakers and disco balls. Let's get phyyysical, get physical! :dead: |
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Sep 6 2005, 03:33 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
...because as we all know, SR characters of any edition simply have no use for military tactical computers, vehicles, drones, weapons, ammo or armor - it's all junk, any fixer can get you something better in a couple of hours. |
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Sep 6 2005, 05:14 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
The short answer: because they're utterly ridiculous. The reason: as described, they're such a whopping fuckton of a security risk that they would sink the new technology alone. I don't think you're understanding the impact of commlinks running in a mode where by default they're able to open non-requested material. We're not talking web-page popups, because you still requested the original page (virus infestation notwithstanding). We're talking a system in which a commlink that is active but not connected to anything will, apparently, by default connect to any system and display the images, text, etc. that that system wants it to. It's absurd. I only saw a brief portion of Minority Report, but that was vaguely sensible based on the fact that it was externally generated—it didn't require a computer system more wide-open than a ¥2 whore to implement. The entire "default state" of commlinks is fucking stupid. Edit to increase my content-to-vitriol ratio: a thought experiment. Let's imagine a highway on which people are driving manually. Now let's have a spamzone that's configured to fill the FOV with black squares. Have fun. ~J |
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Sep 6 2005, 05:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
Have fun with single handedly accepting every piece of AR. Either you have it on or not.
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Sep 6 2005, 05:21 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That is a reason why AR would not end up the way it is in SR4, not why the commlink would accept anything you throw at it by default.
~J |
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Sep 6 2005, 05:22 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Er, it is exactly like a pop-up if you count the space you are walking through as the page. It is only a security risk if your commlink handshakes anything other than a pop-up ad protocol (EDIT: barring security flaws in that protocol, which the game assumes there is somewhere in the commlink, pop-ups or not). The commlink would have a security onion and these pop-ups would only be allowed inside the outermost layer(s).
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Sep 6 2005, 08:19 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
heh, these soft switches still work. atleast if the motherboard is configures sanely. just hold down the power button for x amount of time (i think 7 seconds is standard on most x86 motherboards) and it should turn of at ones, no matter what state the os and other software is in.
i feel like flagging that as a rant. most likely the spam would be regulated to only have effect on comlinks moving less the x meter pr second or so :P or have directionaly controled zones that are power limited so that they cant reach any nearby road unless the reciver is using a custom directional antenna. and if that happens i call for a darwin award for the user ;) and take a look at most bluetooth implementations on phones today. there is no way to turn of only part of the functions. you either have to kill the whole system or live with the consequences. given the corp policys of a cyberpunk world its not to far of to expect most of the shelf os's to contain a hardcoded spam port that the user can only disable with either expensive rented security package (that may well be coded to fail on some ads) or by going at it with a low level editor of some sort. |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:26 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
Yeah, well... That's 2.5 combat rounds right there. Might as well be an eternity. ;) |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:28 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
true, its not someting you do in combat.
still, i would mod my comlink so that the battery (or whatever they use) have the quickremoved ;) a strip of duct tape can fix a lot :P |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:29 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
You're assuming that this is a "legitimate" zone. If the corps can set the zone up, you can set one up as well, and specifically design to avoid any signal issues. As long as the commlink is taking in the data and displaying it, add one massive pileup and stir. ~J |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:32 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Yes, you could do shit like that. |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:34 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That is a physical act. It is non-trivial to prevent. In order to allow my proposed scenario you practically have to be trying to create that issue. It requires the default acceptance and display of arbitrary external messages.
I will repeat it again: the only reason why spam zones, as presented, would be able to exist would be due to the complete fucking idiocy of everyone involved in design or purchasing of the new systems. ~J |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:41 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
sure sure, but then it begs the questions, how strong are publicly sold transmitters? and how close to the road can you get it? ok, so you could mod it with a stronger power source or similar to up its range. but its becoming more and more that its a intentional terror attack or high end punk move rather then a accident waiting to happen. hell, its kinda similar to kids going up on walk bridges crossing a road and start dropping rocks on passing cars. basicly something that will hurt the doer as much as those exposed to it as soon as the star, or the relatives of those killed in the pileup, gets hold of them. to pull something like that of shows atleast the intent to do harm or kill. im guessing jailtime of years if its an adult doing it. but hey, its bad enough if someone gets a phone call or a text message while driving today :P |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:44 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
*** double post ***
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Sep 6 2005, 08:45 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
*edit*
Foot goes in the mouth. *end edit* |
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Sep 6 2005, 08:45 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
So exactly what part of that are you having a hard time wrapping your head around happening? :please: P.S. If you don't allow pop-ups you don't create the environment for ease of use for hard or soft advertising. So yes, there really is motivation for it to be there. EDIT: Not allowing it would be similar to not building any overpasses that someone could walk up on and drop crap off of. |
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