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 Sep 13 2005, 08:57 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567  |
You sir make me laugh. I mean afterall it says nothing of the sort in the book. It says some became technomancers. Infact it does nothing to detail what happened to them. And not all otaku had all that stuff.. but hey. |
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Sep 13 2005, 08:59 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
That isn't what i said at all. However simsense can alter the viewer, it is just generally assumed that the permanent changes are more brute force than fine control. But perhaps the Resonance is something that does have the ability in this limited field to alter. Or it could be a spirit doing the permanent alteration. Not from inside the Matrix, from astral, it is just for show that the techno see it in the form. So it is magic based, but the technos aren't magically awakened themselves in any way. But, once again all things that have gone before. I could have swore you were in that thread too, although maybe as CD2? |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:01 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Read the comment I was quoting, dammit. Context, the final untapped frontier of Dump Shock. Blakkie... Wow. I'm speechless. |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
Well for one thing I think your language is going a bit overboard. For another, most Otaku didn't have such things... being kids.... with little money (even as shadowrunners if you rped ). And the average Joe didn't either. As for the nanites, if you read Man and Machine, it stated that specialized nanites are used in many pieces of cyber, including datajacks as matienance and for the nerve to digital translation. Anyway, try bashing people without using only cuss words and calling them stupid k? At least we can get be in awe as to your expression while at the same time being belittled and dismissed. |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:03 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yes, god forbid I call a stupid idea stupid.
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Sep 13 2005, 09:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
Try explaining how and I might give you that, otherwise stop wasting text.
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Sep 13 2005, 09:09 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,278 |
Take this with a gain of salt, in a sourcebook or one of the novels; I remember Dunkelzahn talking too or having written a letter to Lofwyr in regards to metahumanity. He was trying to convince Lofwyr to help metahumanity survive this age. He said that metahumanity had advanced so far beyond what had been accomplished in any previous age, in such a short period of time. He continued to list the accomplishments of humanity finishing with the artificial creation of a new metaplane, the matrix.
Now after I read that I started looking at the matrix as the new baby sister of the astral plane. You have the real world bordered on each side by two planes of existence that mirror the real world, but have similar rules and inhabitants. I also saw it as just a matter of time before some metahumans would evolve to be able to naturally access this new metaplane. If you look at the matrix as an artificial metaplane, you can see why it shares many of the game world's rules associated with the astral. I just see technomancers as not magical, but not mundane, they are something new, similar but different than magic, something created in response to the creation of this new metaplane of existence. That’s just my take, thanks for your time. |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
More plausable and more interesting. Also explains a great deal... although I still don't like the whole essense linked to resonance thing.
Ah the possibilities... :D |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:13 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Sorry, it doesn't work that way. It was your idea. You have the onus to prove how it works. |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:14 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Ah, to dream the impossible dream. :rotfl: :rotfl: |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
I did if you read the text. Existing Nanites within cyber are reprogrammed (since they are part of the datajack and aid in the nerve to digital transfer) by... say a world wide virus/AI... in certain individuals that survive. They rewire the brain and rework the brain chemistery to accept wireless signals of various kinds. In doing so they allocate needed parts from forien objects, mostly just the datajack.
And they DON'T eliminate the various other cyber. A starting Technomancer can have cyber, it simply weakens their ability for some reason. This is as much an explaination as any other. It works in theory, beyond that theres no way to prove anything, no matter what (unless of course they come out with such data in the matrix book). Have fun. Stop bothering me. Thank you. ^^ |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:34 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
How does that explain newly-created Technomancers, who never had a Datajack to start with, and were not plugged into the Matrix when the Crash 2.0 happened?
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Sep 13 2005, 09:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984 |
Ninjas did it, or possibly invisible gnomes.
Seriously, I got nothing. |
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 Sep 13 2005, 09:38 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Professional Ninja Gnome Drop Bears with a MicroDecks Certificate in Cybermancy.
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Sep 13 2005, 09:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Austin, TX CAS Member No.: 1,097 |
Its pirates that are evil, not ninjas.
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Sep 13 2005, 09:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
I had assumed that only those with Hot ASSIST had the whole.... trapped in the matrix thing going on. How would trodes trap someone in a computer?
I like Dalamar's explaination better anyway. :) |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:46 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 10-September 05 Member No.: 7,725 |
Right... and every BTL junkie out there has a datajack? You can run hot ASIST over trodes, it's just not many PC Deckers do. did. whatever. |
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Sep 13 2005, 09:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
I did not know that.... **goes and reads Matrix rulebook**
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Sep 13 2005, 09:52 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
The Matrix as a stepchild of the Astral reminds me of a paper I once read an excerpt from comparing the Internet to the Aborigine "Dream-time" and made a fairly well constructed arguement in the piece I read. CRT's and televisions tend to induce an alpha state in the brain waves, similair to that of meditation (the calming effect of TV), on the Internet you can find information and data that you normally would never have access to (something also attributed to the Dream-time), you are able to communicate with people hundreds of miles away without much more effort than thought (something also attributed to Dream-time). They go on to theorize that as the Internet becomes closer to the collective unconscious the Dream-time as it was will begin to vanish.
This makes me wonder if Aboriginies have a higher per capita population of Technomancers or Awakened than the rest of the world. |
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Sep 13 2005, 11:05 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It is a sad state of affairs that that doesn't even breach the top ten dumbest things I've heard this month. Nanites don't do the whole "reprogramming" thing. Man and Machine page 86. ~J |
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Sep 13 2005, 11:15 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Erm, back to Technomancers and SINs, a regular commlink doesn't necessarily have the actual information of the SIN stored on it (although it might). What it has is references to banks, ID databases, various different locations that constitute your identity (to use 20th century examples, your D/BMV driver's license, your passport, bank accounts, etc.). Whenever someone does an ID check, they aren't comparing against the information on your Commlink (that would be WAY silly)... they are comparing against the identity displayed by your commlink versus a handful (or perhaps a hundred, who knows?) other locations on the Matrix.
On a side note, any time a Technomancer needs storage, they can dump it to a device at hand (an old commlink in the pocket, whatever) or a remote onine location. EDIT: Oh, and as far as sprites, you can register sprites to have them around effectively "permanently". Unlike spirits, they don't mind being "bound" much. |
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Sep 13 2005, 11:26 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Outdated by SotA63... GenTech relies heavily on Nanites for finer manipulations. |
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Sep 13 2005, 11:30 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
My copy of SotA:63's AWOL, can someone confirm or deny that the writers took stupid pills?
~J |
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Sep 13 2005, 11:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
Pg 86 Man and Machine
"In particular, large and adaptiable projects performed by nanites require the rapid descision making, adaptability, and heuristic learing of a semi-autotomitious knowbot or even an AI. It is immpossible for a human being to"rig" a nanite system, and no desig system allows for metahuman/nanite interfacing. Although a metahuman CAN change the programming on the knowbot or the program running the nanites." However I assume you are refering to this: "Nanoware cannot induce gross physical changes in a human body. Individual nanites operate on a cellular level, and even collectively they canot directly alter the body significantly. That is not to say that can't have an impact, but this will be an indirect consequence of the nanite population." Am I right? Now. My problem is that when I posted it I was only half serious. Then someone goes around tossing around names like we're in grade school. I get real aggrivated when people do things like that. You can be slightly polite or even just make a statement that does not break down to name calling. Say for instance: "Sorry it doesn't work that way." That simple. Now grow the fuck up. |
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Sep 13 2005, 11:47 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Your joking tone, while I'm sure obvious both in person and in your head, was completely absent by the time it got to text. Such things usually are. Add to that a game that has shown itself willing to try to explain things with exactly that level of rigor (that is to say none at all—I'll also point out that nanites are explicitly transient, so unless someone has a hive or is within a week or two of implantation there won't be any in the first place), and you may start to see what prompted the violence of that reaction.
It was a stupid idea and our tolerance for stupid has been completely shot to pieces. ~J |
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