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 Sep 15 2005, 09:31 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361  |
And one more for good measure.
http://www.wave-guide.org/archives/emf-l/N...aves-(fwd).html Its mostly just interesting. You'd still have to stretch this data rather far to produce a Technomancer..... or would you ?! **insert funky echo here** :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: |
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Sep 15 2005, 09:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
Even more interesting are these so called Binaural Beats. While not really about radio waves, it would suggest a few interesting things, again if streched rather far. Resonance is also mention in this article.
http://brain.web-us.com/thescience.htm |
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Sep 15 2005, 10:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
Not nessicarily, telepathy's been theorized for years. Humans don't use a good portion of their brain and we're not realy sure what that portion is capable of as far as I know. Could be a awakening of this part of the brain thats causes the ability of technomancy, which could also explain why corps think that certain dangerouse surgery could awaken latent technomancers. But hey just throwing throughts out there... |
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Sep 15 2005, 10:38 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Humans don't consciously use a good portion of their brain. The brain does get a thorough workout, though.
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Sep 15 2005, 10:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
Prehapse technomancy would be the consciouse use of the other portions of the brain? I don't know as I said, throwing out ideas and theories. I'm not overly versed in neuro-science so... |
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Sep 15 2005, 10:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
While it is a myth that we only used 10% of the brain, we do not use (even unconsciously) the optimal capacity (an average level of use that does not "burn out the brain"). It is currently uncharted, but is known to be well above our current average usage.
We use a great deal of it during REM sleep, more than when we are awake, though certainly different parts of it. All in all, as far as I know, we know next to nothing of the brains actual potential. And while telepathy is theorized it has yet to be proven. I've had strange experiences (closer to a kind of empathy than telepathy) but those can easily be explained away to stimuli being noticed unconsciously. I'm open minded about the paranormal, but I try not to jump to any conclusions. There's just too much we don't know. Edit: I remember in psychology class about certain people who's brain, at birth, is very different than others in that much of the brain mass we use is just not there (mostly fluid) but they learn to use this "water balloon brain" in the same way as ours. Many seem to have the same level of intellignce as us. Does anyone else remember something like this? |
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Sep 15 2005, 11:13 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Some people do. There's a medical term for it: "grand mal seizure".
You know wrong. Xenith: I am familiar with people being born with enlarged ventricles (or acquiring them during life). It's typically associated with mental illness or retardation.
This is false. Brain-wave activity is nearly identical to an awake, alert individual during REM sleep. ~J |
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Sep 15 2005, 11:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
Care to expand? I'm always up for more information on various subjects. Learning is my pleasure. :) |
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Sep 15 2005, 11:19 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
The simple answer is that the only way the "10%" (or "unused capacity") idea is even remotely correct is that typically only about 10% of neurons are firing at any given time. They all pretty much fire over the course of a day, doing exactly what they're capable of.
Incidentally, you responded faster than I thought you would; I edited in some responses to you. ~J |
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Sep 15 2005, 11:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
Hmm.. but there are different levels of activity in different areas right? And have we identified the asossiated use of all or most of the brain? :)
Though I try to keep the paranormal at arms length, I have always believed the brain has more potential or perhaps even raw processing power than we give it credit for. There is, at least, the plasticity of the brains functions. (I believe thats the term anyway.) |
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Sep 15 2005, 11:44 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
IIRC (and it's been a while since I took neuroscience) most of the brain's "dead weight" consists of axon fibers - the "wiring" connecting various distant structures together - and glial cells, which form the "insulation" around the axons and perform support/housekeeping functions. Not very many surprises there. |
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Sep 15 2005, 11:46 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Don't forget the aforementioned ventricles, which are basically just sacs of cerebrospinal fluid. Still nothing much surprising.
~J |
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Sep 15 2005, 11:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
Well as I said I could be wrong. I'm not much up on my neuro-science so :)
EDIT: Just did a broad seach and turned up this neat little tid bit. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/science/...artner=homepage |
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Sep 16 2005, 01:43 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
While some people get by with very little in the way of a brain, and Daniel Lyon got around with one that was just 650 cc, the people who say that you could get more by utilizing the rest of your brain are like people who try to double the information packing capabilities of their computer by clearing away all the empty space. The zeroes, as well as the ones, carry information.
-Frank |
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Sep 16 2005, 03:34 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
This refers to very low frequency "audio" beats (in truth, it's not audio because it's below the threshold of hearing) similar to the feeling you get from riding in a car (especially with a big boom boom subwoofer). There is very little practical application to the matter at hand. Of course it talks about resonance, as resonance is a property of any hollow cavity (in this case, the cranium).
There's a sarcastic joke among the doctors that I know that the NYTimes is the most important medical journal in the world. It brings many headaches to most researchers in the medical community.
EDIT: I don't have a beef with technomancers being able to receive radio signals, and even possibly process them. But it isn't biologically possible to broadcast a radio signal to the degree needed to be a technomancer, not with a normal human physiology (which technomancers reportedly have). |
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Sep 16 2005, 01:44 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
bold added for emphasis. these statements can both resolve as true with no conflict. 8hz is not anywhere on the same side of the universe as "usable signal", even if you discount the fact that the signal doesn't get more than a few meters away from your skull--radio bands start in megahertz, so the human brain is two orders of magnitude away from broadcasting the top 40 countdown. where exactly is the power coming from, to a) raise the frequency of the signal, and b) boost it to a 400km range? (granted, you'd need a Resonance of 18 to reach that, but heck--with the skill and attribute caps, what else is a technomancer going to spend high-end karma on?) |
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Sep 16 2005, 01:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
i don't know... knowledge skills? Languages? Improving complex forms? |
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Sep 16 2005, 04:17 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
It comes from the culmination of the accumulated frustration of a century of nerds sitting in their parents' basement surfing the net for porn. |
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Sep 16 2005, 04:39 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Just back to be a grumpy old man turned Nay-saying Nellie mfb? Or have you changed your mind and decided to play SR4? :D
800+ karma (assuming starting Resonance of 6) after the rounding out of other Skill/Attributes, and you have exhasted the list of Qualities, and associated Attributes/Skills purchase there under, that the GM will allow your character? Well that 400km certainly will come in handy wirelessly hooking up to the Matrix from your Fortress of Solitude built on that little piece of real estate called "Alaska" that you just bought with you spare cash. :) However on a more serious note, you have forgotten the literary example of a transceiver integrated into a person's brain? It was Neuromancer, right? P.S. And for crying out loud, it's not just the brain producing this effect. It is likely whole body, otherwise non-headware without DNI would not affect Resonance (well besides being a chunk of metal nearby, but that's just for transmission, not computation). |
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Sep 16 2005, 04:48 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
That is a curious metaphor given that you can infact toggle a setting NTFS drives that turns compression on and does in fact create extra space (and it is not the first software to do this either). :) Not all 1's and 0's are used to carry the full amount of information. The space/mass efficency the human brain (and rest of the body too given that this is likely a whole body transmission) though is another question that is extremely hard to measure given our relative lack of knowledge of the details of functioning. |
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Sep 16 2005, 05:53 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It is the duty of every thinking being to fight stupidity wherever it may lie. Currently, it lies in the technomancers. ~J |
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Sep 16 2005, 06:05 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
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Sep 16 2005, 06:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
lol bad blakkie. Heh but seriously if you can accept goblinization. If you can accept the matrix... if you can accept elves and dwarves... If you can accept a dragon president... If you can accept magic returning... If you can accept forests growing back all over ireland along with stone circles popping up there suddently... Why are you haveing problems with technomancers? I mean come on now. By playing shadowrun you've already more than likely accepted all of the above if you play within the current storyline. Whats so hard to accept with technomancers considering the above? |
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Sep 16 2005, 06:21 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Because if they are not magic-based, they really make no sense. And if they are magic-based, then they are just plain cheese.
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Sep 16 2005, 06:23 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
I think the gist of it is that he doesn't want them to be magic (awakened), and he can't wrap his head around there being any possible mundane explaination. I just happen to think he's working too hard at not being able to wrap his head around it. ;) I don't like the idea of Otaku/Technos being awakened either. I just am able to get past the improbability that there is a mundane way it could happen. I have a bad feeling though that eventually there is going to be some partial magic link, although the events that brought on the Technos had very little magical connection other than the magically enhanced nature of the EMP nukes. |
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