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 Sep 16 2005, 09:21 PM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263  |
Spirits of Nature have the best overall melee numbers of the spirits listed in the BBB, having both a bonus to Agility for landing the hit and a bonus to Str to raise the DV (base damage). All the spirits are pretty serious stuff though, especially once they reach Force 6 and up. Spirits also get any Skills they now at level Force. Spirits as written in the BBB also have an insane Init so once they hit roughly Force 6 they are almost always going to go before and surprise the PCs/NPCs, even the Init tweaked ones, unless the PC/NPC uses a point of Edge (and the spirit doesn't us one, they get Edge = Force). Fortunately the spirits only get 2 Init passes (out of the highest possible of 4 passes), but by then they'll have likely done some serious mayhem and are damn hard to get rid of outside of banishing. Oh, and no there are no Domain limitations anymore. |
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Sep 16 2005, 09:36 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
Can't Adam or Rob just tell us about the reaction thing? Whether its a bug or a feature. Should not be that much of a problem.
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Sep 16 2005, 10:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
About the fact that spirit of force 6 or higher are a serious match, I think that you should consider them like opponent of category 6, which are not really ridiculous neither...
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Sep 16 2005, 10:54 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
That's a good way of looking at it, and incredibly illustrative. A Force 6 Spirit can be consistently summoned by a magician opponent of category 3. A category 3 opponent rolls about 9 dice on actions, and that will summon a force 6 spirit. A Force 6 spirit in turn, is a category 6 opponent. That means that the 300 kg gorilla in every tactical situation is always the spirit(s). Much more so than the game deisgners probably intended. -Frank |
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Sep 17 2005, 04:35 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
So are you arguing for or against spirits being overpowered. So they can deliver the unholy smackdown and that's the weak ass way to use them. Yeah, I feel better now. Not only can they rule all in combat, but I can also use them in a ton of other ways. Usually being the swiss army knife type reduces your direct combat effectiveness. And also on that astral signature thing you keep railing on about, virtually all activities a mage does will leave a signature. A force 5 stunball will leave as much of a signature as a force 5 spirit using a service. Now a currently active spirit has a link to the summoner which can be followed back to the summoner, but ok make sure you dont leave your spirit behind while it still has services. Normally just from the spirit preforming a service those who come afterwards can't track squat. Oh wait they can at 3 successes can see the signature and maybe recognize it if they see it again and hey at 5 successes they know what magic effect was used to make the signature. I may be missing it but the track down and kill the mage from the signature alone part I'm not seeing yet. All the watcher and pegging a signiture form a distance tactics in the world are fine and dandy, but they don't seem to apply to summoners in particular. Any mage doing any magic activity is just as vulnerable to it. So you minds as well use you big guns for all situations brute force or otherwise, the spirits you summon. |
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Sep 17 2005, 02:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 25-May 05 Member No.: 7,415 |
Also, I'm not exactly fond of arguments running like this:
"Bloody hell! X is horribly powerful! A runner with X could take out the entire metroplex guard!" "Well, the obvious counter is to drop tactical nuclear bombs on the runner until he dies! This makes for a good game and is fun." You shouldn't HAVE to victimise a character because a tactic he is using is very powerful. It's like saying, "Oh, Y gun is really powerful, I'll start rolling separately for ammunition defects and other stoppages whenever the player fires it!" The game should be balanced without the GM having to go out of his way to balance it in such a fashion. |
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