LinaInverse
Sep 20 2005, 05:24 PM
According to MitS p90, FAB can be killed with the Sterilize or Cure Disease spells or astral combat. However, can it be killed with other ways? Being a bacteria, is it susceptible to normal methods of sterilization? Ammonia/Chlorine Disinfectant? Boiling water (ie, dip an infected foci into a pot)? Flamethrower? Microwaves?
Since it's dual-natured, I would assume it can't just hide on the Astral while these methods are tried. What do the rule-fu folks think?
Jrayjoker
Sep 20 2005, 05:28 PM
Can a ghoul hide out on the astral while you kill its body?
Dual natured is both at once with no separation.
blakkie
Sep 20 2005, 05:37 PM
Read the description again, FAB is actually hard to keep alive. (sorry, i don't have my book handy for the reference) You can kill it just by ignoring it.

Note: The airborne strains are more resiliant though.
LinaInverse
Sep 20 2005, 07:48 PM
OK, I must not be making myself clear.
Do people believe that airborne FAB III can be killed by means other than spells and astral combat? Can it be killed with high-powered disinfectants or other conventional germ-killing methods like heat or radiation?
hyzmarca
Sep 20 2005, 07:56 PM
That would be a yes. I would, however, allow the cloud to resist with it's Force. I wouldn't let Lysol or any other disinfectant that doesn't have a Power rating harm a FAB cloud larger than Force 0. Heat, however, will do nicely.
hahnsoo
Sep 20 2005, 08:12 PM
It depends on what you consider Strain III to be, as there are discrepancies in canon between MitS p90 and the original entry in Threats, pp 99-104.
Going by MitS p90, it's a mutant variant of FAB, and it's dual-natured. I'm not quite following how a "cloud" of bacteria can move under its own power, unless telekinetic movement in air is part of the mutation. Being dual-natured, it has a physical component, and simple physical anti-bacterial measures should be able to take it out.
Going by the original entry in Threats, it's a virus unrelated to FAB, a mislabeled serendipitous experiment to make FAB stronger (the mislabeling is listed in column 2, p 103 of Threats). Being an Astral-only virus, you could only affect it by things that affect the astral plane, like the Sterilize spell and astral combat.
Note that under both rules, you can use astral-only measures to take it out... you just have more options if you go by the MitS ruling that it's a dual-natured bacteria cloud.
LinaInverse
Sep 20 2005, 08:31 PM
To be fair, I wasn't talking about simple Lysol. I was thinking about using a hospital-grade disinfectant (ie, don't use w/o breathing filter or mask) or high-concentrate chlorine gas, both which are dangerous to breathe (and I would assume have some kind of power rating). Alternatively, in real-life, you can kill bacteria with a strong enough application of ultraviolet light or microwave radiation.
Ancient History
Sep 20 2005, 08:45 PM
QUOTE (LinaInverse) |
you can kill bacteria with a strong enough application of ultraviolet light |
Except for FAB-UV!
Egon
Sep 21 2005, 08:55 PM
I am sure that it is fairly easy to kill, but that is not really the point. FAB is the astral version of a chain link fence. It is just meant to make people think twice about climbing over and keep the dogs out.
I assume that FAB walls ar monitored by the same system that feed the stuff, and if a section up and dies some one would notice rather quickly.
the_dunner
Sep 22 2005, 03:21 AM
QUOTE (LinaInverse) |
To be fair, I wasn't talking about simple Lysol. I was thinking about using a hospital-grade disinfectant |
For the record -- Lysol IS a hospital grade disinfectant. It's also what's used in laboratories to kill virulent bacterial strains.
ShadowDragon8685
Sep 22 2005, 03:27 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that a FAB-III wall is more of a warning system than any real barrier. You can pick up effective countermeasures for about 2

at the local Stuffer Shack.
Herald of Verjigorm
Sep 22 2005, 10:02 AM
standard uses:
FAB I: Quick die spray that illuminates an outline of astral forms as the bacteria dies after foolishly astrally attacking it as a strength 0 body 0 dual natured entity.
FAB II: Wall form. More durable than FABI, but not feasible for the aerosol spray.
FAB III: Roaming clouds of death to many dual natured creatures. Virtually harmless to all others.
Velocity
Sep 22 2005, 06:02 PM
QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm) |
FAB III: Roaming clouds of death to many dual natured creatures. Virtually harmless to all others. |
Although even this material is easily destroyed by a mage with Stunball.
ShadowDragon8685
Sep 22 2005, 07:26 PM
QUOTE (Velocity) |
QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm @ Sep 22 2005, 06:02 AM) | FAB III: Roaming clouds of death to many dual natured creatures. Virtually harmless to all others. |
Although even this material is easily destroyed by a mage with Stunball.
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Or Joe Wageslave with a can of Lysol.
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