Called shot to bypass armor with a hojillion dice you can take down a main battle tank with 1 hit from a 1L weapon. A sufficient martial arts adept can punch a tank to death.

Why is it I have this image of Raygun, somewhere, having an Obiwan Kenobi moment everytime someone observes this about SRs gun rules.

Like a great many voices cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced....

who needs called shots and adepts? just max out a troll on strength, give him a similary maxed out bow and presto

i wonder where the dice comes from tho, isnt there hard caps in SR4?

Where can I find the rule that allows Calling a Shot against a vehicle to bypass armor and also the Damage Level reduction?

It's up to the GM whether he'd allow the melee combat Power increase from successes above Deadly to increase the effective Power for penetrating Vehicle Armor. The rules already state that fire rates don't affect that penetration.

Not that easy. Unless you go to extraordinary lengths to max the STR, you'll end up at about 19-20, which means the best you can do is ~26M (Ranger-X, EX-Ex arrowheads) and that barely penetrates a light APC (which could be attributed to a 2kg HEAT arrow with a 50mm diameter warhead, if you have a habit of trying to justify the unjustifiable).

Since he mentioned a weapon doing 1L I think he's talking about SR3. With his interpretation of the rules, if you can dish out 10D with a melee weapon, you'll only need 144 (one hundred and fourty four) net successes on the attack to do a whopping 2S to a Leopard III. A hojillion dice indeed.

What, cut through a rather thick piece of steel? Because you can't. Monowire would snap long before it'd cut through several millimeters of steel, and no matter how sharp you'd still have to hit such an object impossibly hard with a sword. [This is all according to RL logic, of course. With the canon rules, you could snap locks "silently" with the aid of a high-STR troll and a Dikoted pocket knife. Hell, according to the rules, you could blow 0.5-meter holes in thick concrete walls with the same.]

A burning bar would work much faster than acids, and would have more varied uses, but unfortunately that, too, makes a lot of noise.

if they hassle you, point to that thingamajig that translates thought to a voice signal. it comes in cyber and non-cyber form, and most groups use it as a model for converting gear back and forth.

I think it's 1/2 as much to get just about anything cyber in a non-cyber form.

are we due for another one of those already? I forget, is it my turn? I'll make one anyway, just to be safe

that's the one!

oops, i read that in the SR4 style, 1Lethal

The FAQ can be interperated such.

Actually, I was suggesting that the melee chanacter make a called shot, as well. A STR 11 Troll adept with attuned hardliner gloves and 12 unarmed dice would average 2 successes. A Tank rolling body against TN 12 would only average 1 success.

Repeat untill tank dies.

Apart from not exactly being canon, it can be filed under "sane GMs will simply ignore".

tisoz:

I don't THINK they did--at least, not during the commercials.

Of course, "stronger than a .44 Magnum" or "stronger than a .30-'06" doesn't really mean much--even though the lock took the abuse, you'd have to cut the shackle to get the lock off.

My Dad had this to say whenever he saw one of their commercials:

Announcer: "See? It *didn't* open...."

My Dad: "Yeah...and it'll *NEVER OPEN AGAIN*...at least, not without help from a cutting torch."



(For that matter, a pair of bolt cutters or a hacksaw with a tungsten-carbide or Dikoted blade might also work.)

Hmm... I wonder: Would near-simultaneous application of extremely high/ temperatures work?

Say, liquid nitrogen, followed by a blowtorch?

(Or the magical equivalent: a tightly-focused spell applying sub-zero cold, followed immediately thereafter by a spell applying intense heat? Or vice- versa?)


--Foreigner

They weren't using military ball .30-06, were they? Because I'm quite sure that WOULD go through just such a lock, and depending on where it hit, probably snap it.

The Box o' Truth guy shot his locks with an AR-15 and a AK-47, and in both cases, they blew a neat hole through the lock, but didn't blow it apart.

There's no reason to think .30-06 would do anything different - the fact the shotgun did the trick seems to indicate that blasting a lock apart is more dependent on projectile diameter and mass than on KE.

With the 7.62x51mm Ball he blow the bottom half of the lock off. Had he fired at a different spot on the lock, it would've failed.

In this particular case, projectile diameter was the reason why the shotgun performed so much better. All of the long arms penetrated the lock, the shotgun simply did so over such a large area that the whole lock blew to pieces. Firing the lock at a different angle or at a different spot, any of the rifles could have been used to break the lock open.

Oops. Forgot that one. Still, I'd like a higher sample size.

Precisely...

And the team wondered why my character Margo Grande spent 5 BPs on mechanical lock picking skill. and a 1,500 on a primo lockpick set.

Picking a lock is also a lot quieter than shooting one off.

Dikote them. And use combat drugs. That'll penetrate damn near anything short of an MBT.

When you don't alert any guards or neighbours (who might call LS), I would say, Yes.

remove context, activate dirty mind, start to wonder what them is

They could be. I'd imagine a Troll version of Scissor Man wielding giant dikoted bolt cutters could cause quite a bit of damage.

Give me a big enough pair of dikoted bolt cutters and a big enough base to put them on and I can cut through planets.

Dikoting doesn't (neccessarily) help with EX-Ex arrowheads, and it's only +1 Power anyway. +STR combat drugs are nice if you can use them without killing yourself in short order -- you can get a few more points of Power that way. If you can get a total of +6 Power from somewhere over the setup I mentioned above then you can penetrate all the light armored vehicles in Rigger 3, but you'll still be 50 points of Power away from penetrating an MBT.

Forget about boltcutters, just mount cyberspurs on maxed Mechanical Arms on a high-Body vehicle.