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tisoz
I got some suggestions that people would rather write on a given topic than write what ever they please - go figure. So I am taking suggestions for the topic of the next Fiction Contest. (Settling on a deadline would be good, too.)

1 I have always thought Ghostwalker taking over Denver a bit silly. Write a story where it makes sense.

2 Where were you on the Night of Rage?

3 A story concerning things Shadowrunners do to make huge amounts of money that is not really shadowrunning. Show the pitfalls. Or have the runners raid such a place to show the pitfalls from another POV. This could help all those GMs that say, "Help, my group is doing this and out of control." It would be nice if they had some good stories to have their players read pointing out it is not as easy as they thought it might be. Possible schemes: Enchanting/making orichalcum/radicals, auto theft, stock market, organlegging/out of control looting. I think these have all come up in the last month and I'm sure there are more.

4 Rigger's Run Wild! I have seen a lot of fiction from about all the other types of characters POV, but not too much about the wily rigger. (The little I have seen, seemed to be from frustrated Nascar wannabees.) Show how to implement a variety of drones and why some say the rigger is the most powerful character type in the game.

There's some suggestions to get things started. Say which you would like to write about. Seperately, tell which you would like to read. It won't be much of a contest if everyone wants to read about something that no one has any inspiration to write about.

By all means, suggest your own topics.

Topics chosen so far and deadlines.
Mr.Platinum
I've always liked the use of Yak/Mob what ever and how they interact with runners.

I havent read much of the novels so maybe the thought is already out there and i just don't know yet.
toturi
The classic "typical" datasteal run from start to end. Heck, pick one of the SRMs as the topic. That way we all know what is being written(at least the people who played the mission would). What I would really like to see is a gaming session in story form(like what we read about in the IC section of the gaming subforums but more organised and streamlined).
Aku
I was thinking, if i submit, i would like to do something in regards to an initiation, wether magical or mundane (gangs or groups that you have to do X for before they'll let you in)
SL James
Initiation sounds cool.

A whole run could be interesting, but just thinking of ripping off the pages from a typical one on Shadowland, might end up having to be heavily edited to count as a "short" story.

Tisoz has been critiquing a recent piece I wrote on a specific night in the life of a Johnson which is part of a much, much larger collection (and it's how I got to thinking about how much Mr. J is like a CIA case officer for that PDF I wrote last summer). I could dig that since her life isn't exactly, you know, boring.

As for Tisoz's ideas specifically:

QUOTE (tisoz)
1 I have always thought Ghostwalker taking over Denver a bit silly.  Write a story where it makes sense.

If E could barely do it in YotC I don't have much regard for the likelihood of it happening here. Something more along the lines of being a bystander to a shitstorm (GW, Night of Rage, etc.) seems more in line with the context, but then there is the matter of there being a whole ton of events in which one could pick as the setting.

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2 Where were you on the Night of Rage?

See above.

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3 A story concerning things Shadowrunners do to make huge amounts of money that is not really shadowrunning.  Show the pitfalls.  Or have the runners raid such a place to show the pitfalls from another POV.  This could help all those GMs that say, "Help, my group is doing this and out of control."  It would be nice if they had some good stories to have their players read pointing out it is not as easy as they thought it might be.  Possible schemes: Enchanting/making orichalcum/radicals, auto theft, stock market, organlegging/out of control looting.  I think these have all come up in the last month and I'm sure there are more.

Sounds interesting, especially for deckers since I see a considerable amount of opportunities for them here.

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4 Rigger's Run Wild!  I have seen a lot of fiction from about all the other types of characters POV, but not too much about the wily rigger.  (The little I have seen, seemed to be from frustrated Nascar wannabees.)  Show how to implement a variety of drones and why some say the rigger is the most powerful character type in the game.

That is a cool idea unless it ends up reading like Redeye Flight, which is a mental abortion of a story. I would be severely distracted by people writing immersed rigging scenes that are as bad as Szeto's crap.
eidolon
I'd like to see stories from a fixer's point of view, actually. That'd rock.
Zolhex
While it would need to be long how about a story of an immortal elf with no ties to any nation or race.

Kinda like he/she is on the outs with everyone very little power base if any at all as it seems most of the ie's have tons of contacts , money , and what not at their disposal.

Make the character a loner and show who , what , and why he/she does what they do to live and survive in the 6th world.
eidolon
IE's. silly.gif <<we need a barfy smiley>>

wink.gif
Oracle
Use any topic, but please no stories about IEs, dragons, dikoted ally spirits or Quicksilver.

However, a story about Drop Bears would be great! wink.gif

I really like the "Night of Rage" theme.
DocMortand
I second the Drop Bear nomination - just to see how kooky authors will get.

Other ideas:
Pick a small corp, trying to claw it's way past to the top. Megacorps are trying to eat it, steal their secrets or drive them out of business. Stories of how it survives - perhaps employing shadowrunners out of self-defense, or going on offensive maneuvers against one of the big boys...I suppose that always interested me. And the stories definately should end badly 70-80% of the time. wink.gif

[edit] here's another - pick your favorite Ultraviolet Host or Metaplane, and base a story going through it. Bonus points in somehow starting in one and ending in the other (UV Host -> Metaplane, or reverse) with no transition in between.
Aku
I'm not so fond of the drop bear idea, i just dont think i could do it justice biggrin.gif, but maybe doc mortand's first idea, maybe... i think i'd do better at writing something smaller in scope, though, personally.
September
Riggers. The ultimate challenge in developing metaphors.
SL James
There shouldn't be metaphors. The system Szeto describes is so inefficient, counterintuitive, and user-specific that the only word even close to describing it is ridonculous.
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (SL James)
That is a cool idea unless it ends up reading like Redeye Flight

Why did you make me read that? I want an explanation, and none of this funny-talk about having done nothing of the kind.

~J
tisoz
QUOTE (toturi)
The classic "typical" datasteal run from start to end. Heck, pick one of the SRMs as the topic. That way we all know what is being written(at least the people who played the mission would). What I would really like to see is a gaming session in story form(like what we read about in the IC section of the gaming subforums but more organised and streamlined).

Are you talking adventure modules or the half dozen SR Missions? At first, I thought you meant a published adventure, and though I would also like to read a story about them, it would need to be novel length to do it justice. Maybe one of the shorter sections of Harlequin would work...

QUOTE (Aku)
I was thinking, if i submit, i would like to do something in regards to an initiation, wether magical or mundane (gangs or groups that you have to do X for before they'll let you in)

Something like this would be a good entry in the general contests that apparently no one wants.

QUOTE (eidolon)
I'd like to see stories from a fixer's point of view, actually. That'd rock.

I see these as turning out like a third person re-telling of how events unfolded. Or mostly inside the fixer's head, telling about potential problems and devising ways to circumvent them, all ahead of time, all in the thought process.

QUOTE (Casazil)
While it would need to be long how about a story of an immortal elf with no ties to any nation or race.

Kinda like he/she is on the outs with everyone very little power base if any at all as it seems most of the ie's have tons of contacts , money , and what not at their disposal.

Make the character a loner and show who , what , and why he/she does what they do to live and survive in the 6th world.

I have a spike baby character that kind of fits this. He was born aboard a ship passing through the Bermuda Triangle in 1850 on the way to the California gold rush. (It was nice having him coming of age in the golden age of the West, also accounted for his pistol and gambling skills.) As a starting PC in the 2050s, I needed him to be relatively poor and unwise. I had fun coming up with all the times and ways that he had lost accumulated fortunes during his life. Heavily invested in San Francisco real estate got wiped out during the great quake and fire. Another fortune got wiped out in the original crash of '29. Lost his casinos and hotels when the commies took over Cuba. Lost his Vegas casinos and real estate plus what little he tried to diversify with factories in Mexico and some real estate outside Seattle in a town called Puyallup due to the NAN takeover. The next crash didn't do him any favors either. The most recent setback was losing his Chicago holdings to the bugs. With little more than the clothes on his back, he decides to see what is what with his Puyallup property and heads to Seattle.

The Life and Times of Ezekial Brown, if anyone wants to use it.

No Drop Bears, there is plenty to read about them elsewhere. If you really feel the need, wait and enter it in a general contest.
SL James
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Feb 13 2006, 02:38 PM)
QUOTE (SL James @ Feb 12 2006, 05:11 PM)
That is a cool idea unless it ends up reading like Redeye Flight

Why did you make me read that? I want an explanation, and none of this funny-talk about having done nothing of the kind.

Because if I am going to suffer, then by God I'm not going to suffer alone.

QUOTE (tisoz)
QUOTE (eidolon)
I'd like to see stories from a fixer's point of view, actually. That'd rock.

I see these as turning out like a third person re-telling of how events unfolded. Or mostly inside the fixer's head, telling about potential problems and devising ways to circumvent them, all ahead of time, all in the thought process.

I'm seeing this more along the lines of a spy story running agents and ... so on. Kind of like a story about Mr. Johnson.
Aku
QUOTE (Tisoz)
QUOTE (Aku)
I was thinking, if i submit, i would like to do something in regards to an initiation, wether magical or mundane (gangs or groups that you have to do X for before they'll let you in)

Something like this would be a good entry in the general contests that apparently no one wants.


I actually just thoguht up the idea, i don't mind the "general" category, maybe the broader theme would be "What i would do to get into X group"
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (tisoz @ Feb 13 2006, 04:08 PM)
Something like this would be a good entry in the general contests that apparently no one wants.

Speaking only from my perspective, but I see the problem being that the general contests have a much higher failure rate than themed contests. I personally intended the whole way through to write something, and still hadn't come up with exactly what that "something" would be by the time I heard the nice whooshing sound. With the themed contests, half the work is done before we even start thinking about it.

~J
Taran
QUOTE (SL James)
There shouldn't be metaphors. The system Szeto describes is so inefficient, counterintuitive, and user-specific that the only word even close to describing it is ridonculous.

I want to see Spider Robinson take on this problem (not that it'll ever happen, but a man can dream). There's a man with a dab hand at metaphor. And before you tell me that he can't write gritty, find yourself a copy of Telempath. Maybe he can't sustain it...

And I agree with Kagetenshi WRT the value of themes.
DocMortand
Has the whole "Death of a Johnson" theme been done yet?

I.E. tell the story of a run gone wrong from the Johnson's point of view - whether he was the reason why, or the dupe...and how he got killed/maimed/fitted with cement shoes. smile.gif

By the way, it's Mortand with no L. Not Mortland. nyahnyah.gif
Aku
QUOTE (DocMortand)
Has the whole "Death of a Johnson" theme been done yet?

I.E. tell the story of a run gone wrong from the Johnson's point of view - whether he was the reason why, or the dupe...and how he got killed/maimed/fitted with cement shoes. smile.gif

By the way, it's Mortand with no L. Not Mortland. nyahnyah.gif

QUOTE (Aku)
I'm not so fond of the drop bear idea, i just dont think i could do it justice biggrin.gif, but maybe doc mortand's first idea, maybe... i think i'd do better at writing something smaller in scope, though, personally.


l, what l?

docmortand-----> smokin.gif

Go go drop bear legions of editing!
DocMortand
That's better. *pats aku on the head*
tisoz
QUOTE (DocMortand)
pick your favorite Ultraviolet Host or Metaplane, and base a story going through it. Bonus points in somehow starting in one and ending in the other (UV Host -> Metaplane, or reverse) with no transition in between.

I would be afraid that with this for a topic, there would be a variety of stories that had little to do with Shadowrun. I mean the point of a metaplane or UV host is that it differs from the reality of Shadowrun.

QUOTE (DocMortand)
Has the whole "Death of a Johnson" theme been done yet?

I.E. tell the story of a run gone wrong from the Johnson's point of view - whether he was the reason why, or the dupe...and how he got killed/maimed/fitted with cement shoes.

Is this getting worked in with the from a fixer's POV?

Really, as long as there is entries and submissions, we can eventually do all the topics. I have at least 20 books to give away, probably more like 50, and if I go through all of them, I'll buy some more.

So feel free to keep adding topics.

Can we start to settle on the next topic?

Also, since there is a topic and general contest, what about running them concurrently? Or overlapping deadlines, so there is always something to work on and something that just ended that can be enjoyed by all? Which brings up suggestions for a deadline for the topic contest and maybe a deadline for the general contest.
Aku
QUOTE (DocMortand)
That's better. *pats aku on the head*

ya know, i've heard a couple of time, that more or less loosely translated, "aku" means "evil" in japanesse.

I'm not so sure it's a good idea to pat evil on the head devil.gif
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (tisoz)
Also, since there is a topic and general contest, what about running them concurrently? Or overlapping deadlines, so there is always something to work on and something that just ended that can be enjoyed by all? Which brings up suggestions for a deadline for the topic contest and maybe a deadline for the general contest.

Bad idea IMO. The whole cycle of tension and release is more conducive to work without having to deliberately skip contests. I think starting a contest about a week after the previous one ends is probably a good idea, though.

~J
DocMortand
QUOTE (tisoz)
QUOTE (DocMortand @ Feb 13 2006, 04:16 AM)
pick your favorite Ultraviolet Host or Metaplane, and base a story going through it.  Bonus points in somehow starting in one and ending in the other (UV Host -> Metaplane, or reverse) with no transition in between.

I would be afraid that with this for a topic, there would be a variety of stories that had little to do with Shadowrun. I mean the point of a metaplane or UV host is that it differs from the reality of Shadowrun.

Yeah, I realize that - just was suggesting it as a wierd topic to stretch people's creativity. You definately have enough topics here for a decade worth of contests. smile.gif
Aku
Although, the opportunity for metaplaner or UV visting is very likely in either sort of initiation, if thats your fancy
hyzmarca
QUOTE (SL James @ Feb 13 2006, 02:26 PM)
There shouldn't be metaphors. The system Szeto describes is so inefficient, counterintuitive, and user-specific that the only word even close to describing it is ridonculous.

No. You need one metaphor and one metaphor only.

Turbo Teen biggrin.gif
tisoz
Deadline?

QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
QUOTE ((tisoz))
Also, since there is a topic and general contest, what about running them concurrently? Or overlapping deadlines, so there is always something to work on and something that just ended that can be enjoyed by all? Which brings up suggestions for a deadline for the topic contest and maybe a deadline for the general contest.


Bad idea IMO. The whole cycle of tension and release is more conducive to work without having to deliberately skip contests. I think starting a contest about a week after the previous one ends is probably a good idea, though.

~J

So far, only one author has participated in both contests. Since everyone can rely that there will be a general contest as long as there is interest, the only real deadline is for the topic contest.

I am thinking of setting a deadline the first day of the month. General contest submissions will be due on odd months (1, 3, 5, Jan., Mar., May...) and topic submissions on even months (2, 4, 6, Feb., Apr., June...)

I could also wait until I get 10 submissions for the general contest, so there would be no set deadline. If an author submitted more than 1 entry, they could designate which submission they wanted to run in what order (or concurrently.) This could mean an author with 10 submissions is guaranteed to win, and I don't know that I want that, especially if all 10 pretty much suck (if I get 10 straight great submissions from the same author, I see no problem posting them and choosing a winner.) So with this format, an author may be able to guarantee a winning piece of fiction.wink.gif

I am also thinking of taking submissions via PM. Then I can use the quote function to reveal formatting language, then cut and paste into a thread. Rooftops took me an hour to post with all the italics formatting, and even a piece with no special formatting usually needs paragraphs double spaced.

Unless I get complaints in the next few days, I think I will set the deadlines for the chosen topic contests for the first day of even months. I will even go through the suggested topics and assign them to the next few months. If you like the ideas I've come up with, say so, and I may not even wait a few days to post the new information.
Aku
i think i'm going to work on my initiation idea, it's about the only thing i have any motivation for, and even if it's not any good, who knows.
SL James
I like PM submissions. If it can handle something as long as that story I sent you, I think it'll handle most everything else.
mfb
from Aku's hyzmarca's link (the horror partially blinded me, causing two posts to look like one):
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Pattie takes Bret behind an ice cream booth, uses some hot chocolate syrup to change him into Turbo Teen.

i'm definitely playing a rigger, next game.
Aku
That wasn't me MFB rotfl.gif
Aku
another option you may want to consider, instead of posting the text here for the stories, is to host them as HTML files and just link to them. that gives you the benifit of having an easier job formatting them, and also, saving space on the thread so it doesnt take an hour and a half to scroll past the actual story.

Also, i'm so going to need someone to read over this for me as an editor, something just isn't feeling right, as far as how i'm writing it.
tisoz
I just thought of a topic that I like so much, I may have to pre-emt a deadline.

Mother Teresa Must Die! Or, your team gets hired to burn down those orphanages that everyone always says they'd gladly do. Basically, you get hired to do something evil to someone/something very good/innocent. Make it less straightforward, and you do not learn about the target until after the job is accepted or maybe not until after it is completed. Maybe the news announces some guys will where he left the bulk of his holdings to several charities, and the story goes on to say what a huge benefactor he was to the downtrodden during his lifetime.

Maybe through divination, someone decides a newborn must die. They could think it was the antichrist, or maybe you got hired by satan himself to kill the second coming of Christ.
SL James
Or maybe it's just a retribution hit against the Sisterhood of Eglatine (Sp?).
Kyoto Kid
How about...

From SIN to SINless - The How and Why of Becoming a Runner.
tisoz
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
How about...

From SIN to SINless - The How and Why of Becoming a Runner.

That is one way to get 7346 character backgrounds. wink.gif

When I read this, I thought that is a good idea. Then the reality of what I will get hit.
SL James
It's like jumping headfirst into a pile of pig crap.
FanGirl
It's a dog-eat-dog world in the shadows, you know. It seems like the only way to survive is to be a tough lone wolf, to constantly pretend to the world that you don't need anyone but yourself, to lock your doubts and insecurities away from everybody. But as the cliche goes, no man is an island. Macho posturing aside, you need the warmth, the humanity, and the kindness of others in order to keep a grip on your own sanity. In short, you need love.

Thus, the contest that I propose is simple--write a love story. Yeah, I know what you're probably thinking. "If Fangirl expects me to write some gooshy, bodice-ripping drek starring some Fabio clone, she's sadly mistaken." If you are thinking that, let me just tell you now that you're the one who is sadly mistaken. You needn't write a story that reads like Danielle Steel; you don't even have to write about romantic love if you don't want to. Think about all the different types and degrees of love out there: there's bound to be one kind that gets your creative juices flowing.
Kremlin KOA
hmm
fabio clone
that givces me an idea

Universal Omnitech clones fabio for a new body for VATboy

then the clone escapes into the world, the body of Fabio and the mind of a 6 year old

this is the beginningof an interesting tale
Wounded Ronin
QUOTE (FanGirl)
It's a dog-eat-dog world in the shadows, you know. It seems like the only way to survive is to be a tough lone wolf, to constantly pretend to the world that you don't need anyone but yourself, to lock your doubts and insecurities away from everybody. But as the cliche goes, no man is an island. Macho posturing aside, you need the warmth, the humanity, and the kindness of others in order to keep a grip on your own sanity. In short, you need love.

Thus, the contest that I propose is simple--write a love story. Yeah, I know what you're probably thinking. "If Fangirl expects me to write some gooshy, bodice-ripping drek starring some Fabio clone, she's sadly mistaken." If you are thinking that, let me just tell you now that you're the one who is sadly mistaken. You needn't write a story that reads like Danielle Steel; you don't even have to write about romantic love if you don't want to. Think about all the different types and degrees of love out there: there's bound to be one kind that gets your creative juices flowing.

Heh. I was hoping to write a story for each specific topic, and I thought the rigger topic was giving me a hard time. But if it comes down to writing a love story? Man, I don't think I could handle that. I think I'm incapable of writing about people being nice to each other. Like, I could write about it physically and use words to describe something like a kid petting a dog, but I'd be totally unable to take the story seriously and I'd probably die of akwardness afterwards.

The love story: the one thing I cannot write.


Heh, oh, also, since this *is* the internet I'm afraid we'd get dragon pr0n.
Kagetenshi
The more realistic a love story is, the less likely it is to involve people being nice to each other.

~J
FanGirl
Come on, we're here to share in our mutual love (there's that word again!) of pretending to be fantasy beings who wield big guns. Realism has nothing to do with it. But love stories can end badly.
Wounded Ronin
QUOTE (FanGirl)
Come on, we're here to share in our mutual love (there's that word again!) of pretending to be fantasy beings who wield big guns. Realism has nothing to do with it.

Wait, so you're saying I should submit sequential art to Heavy Metal magazine?
mfb
i miss Heavy Metal. i need to up my cash influx so i can start getting it again.
SL James
QUOTE (FanGirl)
Thus, the contest that I propose is simple--write a love story.  Yeah, I know what you're probably thinking.  "If Fangirl expects me to write some gooshy, bodice-ripping drek starring some Fabio clone, she's sadly mistaken."  If you are thinking that, let me just tell you now that you're the one who is sadly mistaken.  You needn't write a story that reads like Danielle Steel; you don't even have to write about romantic love if you don't want to.  Think about all the different types and degrees of love out there: there's bound to be one kind that gets your creative juices flowing.

*ahem*

QUOTE (tisoz)
When I read this, I thought that is a good idea.  Then the reality of what I will get hit.


QUOTE (SL James)
It's like jumping headfirst into a pile of pig crap.


QUOTE (FanGirl)
Macho posturing aside, you need the warmth, the humanity, and the kindness of others in order to keep a grip on your own sanity.  In short, you need love.

Hatred is more permanent and more powerful, and a hell of a lot more ubiquitous.
FanGirl
Okay, so you don't want to write stories with happy endings. Big deal! You can still write about love. If you want to write a more dark or cynical tale, you could probably tell the story of a Sampson-and-Delilah-style betrayal, or of a character's addiction to a dangerous sexual fetish. Basically, any story where a character lets his guard down and puts his trust in someone else would count as a love story, at least to me. That trust can be violated or not: it's your choice.
SL James
Do you read Penny Arcade?

I'm just asking because today's (the one for April 10 for those of you on the east coast) is pretty much the summation of everything I have to say to that, and I say it because I have written such a story, in fact several parts of a larger story, but right now... Turn around and walk away.
FanGirl
Let me see if I've got this straight: you couldn't come up with a threat of your own, so you just borrowed someone else's? I see no reason to do as you ask. Good night, chummers; I'm sleepy.
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