@Vegas - floor plan looks great to me! (Gonna re-edit my post to put Auran back to where she was before the space above the door magically vanished from existence and reappeared. )

What's the scale on those plans? Anyway, something you might consider is a suspended running track in/over the gym. I've seen a few gyms like that where there's no real concern for bleachers or the like.

Heck yeah! I was working on a version with a catwalk (in support of the stage as part of the gym's auditorium function), but that's good too.

That sounds great I´m definitly for it, maybe Halo and TF could even cover the dock from there.

@ Nurse
Rokur re-edited Aurans position, she´s at the windows ofer the maine entrance, so Nurse will probably hear TF´s speech.

@ Sparky
JAX should get some gasolin or oil and stuff, too. We tossed some flameboyant ideas around yesterday at the IRC

@Thanee et al

Toy's comments were thoughts. And in Indonesian, no less.

Which brings up a topic I've been meaning to address.

Thoughts are supposed to be in italics... with or without quotes? I don't use quotes for them, personally.

What you say is supposed to be un-italicized and in quotes. Like so:

"Hey, CD, show me some riding tricks?" He called to CD as they waited for traffic to clear an intersection. And then later I can show you some. He grinned.

Is that what everyone else understands?

Well, this should help.

Comments welcome.

Hey! Wow... it's a big scary world out there.

Damn, that's pretty cool. Nice to know we've got people who'd like to see us dead out there

Am I the only one who thinks we should for some sort of alliance with the LMPs?

No.

But I would add the River Rats.

Yeah the LMP's and the Rats for sure... show some strength in alliances to the VAB's as well in the process.

second that!

I have a completely different plan.

We take over the LMP's turf, then kick some River Rat ass, so we fill out the entire yellow heart looking thing we're situated in. Then we push east and grab up that area between La Raza and the 669s

I like the map and the attitudes.

I agree that having an ally would be good, and perhaps we can ally with the River Rats.

Regarding the LMPs I say we either recruit them/own them, or kick them out. We're taking over the Mall, so either obey us or get out of here.

Regarding Expansion - Obviously definitely take over LMPs, but after that, I'd suggest maybe Northern expansion. Slam should know the land, and know his old gangs allies, enemies, and major hitters and other inside info.

edit - Also this is good for if we do get an alliance with the River Rats, we can setup the north side of the river as ours, and control all water ways in our part of town. And we can setup custom smuggling routes through our turf.

Area isn´t everything. Think the LMP´s are a good buffer against the TCT for the time being.

We could work together well with the RR and the Rattleheads (btw, I lought my ass off, when I read that name) for carchopping and maybe drugprocessing.

First thing to do is occupie the area south down to the 410 anyway (after that trolling is done, that is).

I still think, we shouldn´t shoot the trolls on sight. Maybe we can talk to them, get them harres the TCT or s.th.

EDIT: owning the LMP´s would be nice though

I like the map.. Yeah, I think we should fill out our turf and then own the LMP's... They either live under our rule, or they get out of Dodge!

Making an alliance with the River Rats might be a good idea as they control the water treatment plant.

I agree that the Trolls may want to talk, which is why Wyrm hasn't started creating having... yet. I want to see what they do before my Sprite and I start crashing comms and bikes.

I think some of you underestimate the mall gang Moreso when you consider that operating out of a mall is a rather difficult thing, making their territory less desirable.

Anyway, I want to shrink the La Raza territory by about half. It's too big for what the gang is. That'll leave a spot for another gang. Any suggestions?

On another note, I may or may not have net access for the next two days. If I do, we'll get rolling tomorrow. Otherwise, it'll be this weekend.

ooo... tough mall LiMPs eh? Auran's not scared... hehe... at least not on the outside

Anyway for the other gang... maybe put in a typical troll urban brawling gang. Who mostly use boxing and cage fighting on their turf or something...

Messing with the LMPs is a bad idea. They are the only gang that doesn't have an agenda against us.

Why would we decide to take on them first when they will eventually come in to the fold (probably willingly) anyway when we are far superior to them?

We don't have to be allies with them, but we don't have to take over the mall either. They can just sit there until we rule everything around them...then it will make sense for them to pay us a tythe. We probably won't even have to ask for it.

About the Raza: can, in the process of cutting their turf down, Liberty Park be freed up as a "neutral zone"? Perhaps putting the boundry for Raza on Thompson and Silver streets. I really like the idea of Liberty Park being a gang neutral area where gangs meet and discuss stuff. Our holy ground.

I think our biggest rival right now is 669s. We just shot them up, and their turf starts across the street. We either need to repair relations with them, actively pursue taking them on (sort of an aggressive watch for weakness), or get ready to defend the onslaught that they may bring at us.

My two nuyen...

A question or two about the impending altercation at the HQ.

Where do we keep the bikes? Is it standard practice to ride them up the loading dock and in to the gym?

Oh shit....lol...I just noticed that there is no way in to the gym except from the outside and going through a storage room and to the stage. LOL...um, can we fix that please? There should be a set of double doors in the hallway with the old medical room.

Hmm, okay, I am going to assume those two things above are answered like I want them to be (hehe) and post IC accordingly.

I should point out that most loading docks don't have wide ramps... maybe big enough for a bike, but they tend to be ramps down about 3 or 4 feet that allow the floor of the main building and the bed of a big panel truck or 18wheeler to be at ground level. Unless I'm thinking of the wrong kind of loading dock.

My suggestions (coming soon) for the HQ have a big garage-type door in the side of the gym. My elementary school had those, one on each side. Very breezy.

That's what the door is, a big steel door in an attached "loading dock/loading area" It could always be ground level instead of being "raised"

Dra and I always saw it as we parked the bikes/cars/vans in the gym.

Very rough and not-at-all final 3d images of our neighborhood.

I think that JAX's garage across from the HQ needs to be a little larger. It needs to be large enough to fit 1 or 2 cars, a side office and a 2nd floor appartment.

Note: About the oncomming gangers, I'll have the roto-drone do a visual and thermal scan of the oncomming bikes. This should help us figure out most of what they are packing. (Do I need the drone to do a perception test TG?)

Otherwise I'd have to hack one or two of the links to get subscriptions lists as to what ware they may have slaved to their PANs.
I was hoping to hack the bikes' pilots directly, I mean how do the trolls rig-control their bikes? Do they all have datajacks? I know you can secure your own Ware to your PAN, but you wouldn't be able to do that with an external device. You'd need the user or the commlink to be in direct cable connect with it, else I have a wireless signal I can tap.

I've been meaning to post, but I need to get these settled before Wyrm says anything else.

This is severly off topic, well, maybe not.

I started a new wiki site and would like to invite any and all to it.

http://junction.wikispaces.com

It is for collecting short fiction based in the SR world. I figure many if not all of us have tried our hand at writing something here or there. If you want a place to put it, here you go.

If you want a place to get some editing, feedback, and/or collaboration...here you go! Just let people know in the discussion area if you are looking for edits/feedback/or whatever. If you want to collaborate on something, I'd suggest working that out before editing someone's elses story.

Fell free to do whatever you want with the site, including modding the front page with some more descriptive stuff than what I threw up on it a few minutes ago.

I started by putting a couple of lines in. Will get more in the coming days since I have several more pages of this story, which isn't finished.

Let's keep each story on a single page if possible. This will help keep the wiki simple. Well, I guess there are other ways to do it. One, many, whatever.

Oh yeah, why is this possibly not severely off topic? I hope to see some stories about some of the 410 Crash gang up there.

@ GM about new gang

1st I´d vehemently second Silo´s call for the Liberty Park being neutral turf! Maybe have La Raza border on silver (including the sideroads up to the border of the park) and summner (or Alder) and the other gang on 410, Traffic, Tompson, and Summner (or Alder)?

2nd There is no anti-meta racist gang yet, is there? I´d think this would be a common theme in SR. Maybe a chapter (as all of them unaffiliated to the others) of the Night Hunters from Renton? They probably won´t like us, but will have more pressing issues with the RR, RH and 669s. so, they´d probably be dispositioned as 'watch for weaknesses' but will only do something if we really suck or the pressure from the other gangs on them declines.

@ ES Sparky
Thats cool! but you should lable the pics, decribing what angle of view they schow.

@TG -

Is there going to be a specific stop time set for what is currently going on?

If so, it might help us do a little more posting...

I second that.

Floor plans of the HQ have been added to the Wiki under Locations / Primary Hideout

Added 2 double doors from the main area into the Gym. Thought I had done that earlier, but they hadn't saved, so that should solve the problem Silo mentioned earlier

I say once we finish this bit of trouble up, we remote service rush the 669's with lots of Force 3 spirits- the sort of spirits that the mages can usually throw out without suffering much drain (and only Stun drain). Sure, they'll get geeked by pistol fire, but we ought to eventually wear them down by sheer force of numbers.

Spirit rush! kekeke...

The 669s have at least one, quiet probably more, magicians to handle a spirit only assault (and repay in kind).
At the moment, TF can only summon Force 2 without risking physical drain and he has still 6P to heal up.

It will be a good option, to support any aktion against the 669s (or any other gang) or a distraction, once we need move against them. But standing alone, it probably won´t do much, except push them to commit to all out war.

Is the IRC channel working?

I just tried connecting using that online client and it isn't working.

It works fine, I´m in ther with Nurse and Mister Juan right now.

I´m using Trillion, though.

yes it does work

I do recommend trillian tho... it's very small, efficient program, and is actually better for your computer to run than say AIM (which you can put your account into trillian for).

Hmmmkay. Problem must be on my end then.

irc ports are often blocked by virus scanners and other security settings. For example, the machine I'm on right now will block. You might be seeing a "Unable to Connect to server (Software caused connection abort)" message.

Added TF´s Takes on the other Gangs to the wiki and updated some PC-Takes btw.

These Takes will probably change, once we get some more info on the gangs and if anyone, especially Tinker Gnome has any objections, just voice them and I´ll change it.

ok, i've been missing for a while now... sorry about that, i've been kinda busy, and expect it to stay that way for the next little while.

also, i am afraid i'm going to have to leave (making Electrode an NPC)

basically, even when i am not crazy busy, i still can't keep up with the rate of posting, and in any event it's hard for me to get anything done because i don't like posting actions for other people (including NPCs, but *especially* including other characters).

He was never meant to be an almost completely silent character, it's just been sorta turning out that way (mind you, i suppose he might be slightly autistic or something)

sorry if i've inconvenienced you all (looking up a few posts, i see dranem is controlling a rotodrone, so maybe not too horribly badly)

in any event, some quick notes on electrode:

1) a little clarification on his backstory: the scars are from surgery in the archology. Back in the day, he used to have the old SR3 flaw that made your body reject all implants. it has since toned down to being sensitive, possibly due to Deus trying to get his body to accept implants.
2) his goals: acquire some construction drones, revamp the HQ... which it sounds like is already in the works... the drones need not even have construction type autosofts, because he can either use them himself, or have a machine sprite do it (one autosoft of choice per 3 points of rating). he also would like to turn his hovercraft into a very scary mobile base of operations (up to 4 weapon mounts for example, iirc), but that's not urgent, and certainly less important than building up the numbers on his drones, and hacking all his programs to get lots of copies of them =P
3) feel free to have him do whatever you think he might do... he is not possessed of terribly strong morals, but isn't big on killing. he isn't addicted to anything per se, but the matrix is probably a strong competitor... i have not indicated him using drugs of any kind (including tobacco and alcohol) because, not using them myself, i have no idea how to RP the effects... however i assume he at least uses them occasionally, but mostly less intense stuff (deepweed yes, nitro or kamikaze no).

i think that's about it. i'll try to keep an eye on the game. if you have any questions beyond what i've said, feel free to PM me (in case i don't get through the 30 pages of posts i've missed... )

it was good to have you around Jaid.... see ya around

I'm loosing all my hacker buddies!

I was looking forward to RPing with you Jaid, but I guess it won't happen.

Well, you're drones will be put to good use, I assure you.

second that, Rokur. sorry to hear you quit, though, Jaid. See you around..