How do all of you handle a night club or other establishment with a no weapons policy when it comes to players with spurs, claws or other cyberweapons?
Naturally, I think that they would say "No Admittence" if the weapons detector pics up the gear. However, another part of me doesn't want to limit a character participation due to their cyber gear. Does this just "come with the territory" for character who choose to go the cyberweapon route?

Thanks in advance for your comments,
Ryan

It would have to depend on the situation, but I would say most places would go the no admitance route, unless they were bribed or good friends with the character.

If it was a cyber-weapon in an obvious cyber-limb, then maybe allow its removal/re-installation by the character if they have the appropriate skill.

Pretty much comes with the territory. The runner either gets a really good security permit, disguises the cyberweapon, bribes the bouncer, hacks the scanner, or makes sure the policy changes before he arrives.

Cyberweapons are a double-edged sword that way. Their advantage is you always have them if you need them, and their disadvantage is that you can't leave them behind if you don't need them.

If your team cannot come to the meet, and get in without causing a problem, why the hell would i want to hire you?

getting to the meet is the most basic step of the run, and a good way to weed out the very stupid. I would expect any club or resteraunt to have a cyberscanner. these things detect weapons and gear, as well as cyber. While this may limit what the johnson can bring (good for keeping the bodygaurd cost low), a smart mr. Johnson will bribe the club (if his corp dosent own it already!), and have as much heavy support as he feels he needs- possibly with extra thugs out of sight in the next room.

meeting in clubs is good, because it reduces how much you need to worry about security. It dosent help much against mages, technomancers, adepts, and those without scanable illegal cyberware, but at least they wont have any big guns with them.

easiest way in? physical illusion, that your cyber-monster is pure meat. the cyberscanner is basicaly a camera. if it dont see it, it wont think about it.

Normally, cyberweapons are F(orbidden), so they are quite risky to 'carry' around at all...

Another option might be having "plugs" at the club, depending on it's nature. Lean over to the bouncer before you go through the scanner, slip him a hundred, let him know what's going on, and he'll take you into the side room, install a nano-block into the barrel/slot/spur-socket keyed to something they keep at the door, and you can go in.

They probably would want you to empty the mag on a cybergun, too.

Oddly enough only forbidden, ones are meele. . For the clubs, they'll probably make them take down a deposit for unlinked containment manacles. (you know the things that disable cyberweapons) So they can still pick up their drink, dance, and other things that they came to the fragging club for in the first place.

This "everything is scanned" philosophy is kind of destroying the original meaning of hidden cyberweapons. If you cant hide them anymore, why have them at all?

So I would invent somefluff about why hidden cyberware is harder to detect and such. (like, such cyberware is built to be detected much harder, because of its obvious popurse of being secret and such. I would make it also much ahrder to detect cyberware inside a cyberlimb).

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If your team cannot come to the meet, and get in without causing a problem, why the hell would i want to hire you?
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a stealth job doesn’t need every character to enter the target facility.

It would be quite reasonable to hire a team for a zero profile infiltration run where one member is a troll with 2 obvious cyber arms with non retractable spurs. You just have to trust that the troll will not be performing that part of the run. Buy refusing to hire them if they can’t get to the meat without causing a fuss you loose access to the entire teem, including a face that can get in anywhere and that very troll’s hacking skills that would give the face the ID she needs to get past the ID checks.


Also in SR3 at least there was a fair chance that a cyber wear scanner would not pick up a cyber weapon, especially if it was Alfa grade or better.

Edward

Don't ask. Don't tell. Don't geek anybody. There should be some clubs that pride themselves on not caring what patrons bring in.

I once proposed using nanotattos placed in a specific pattern to alter the cyberscanner results. Really, a disguise test should work by the rules, neh?

I'm running On The Run for a group of new SR players. The meet is at Penumbra which has a Rating 3 MAD detector. Not a very stiff rating, but I could get lucky. I'm just not sure how I should handle a lucky roll on my part. The guards will take a bribe if the character can talk them into it. But then we run into the Samurai character and his inability to socially interact on even the most basic level.

There's about 6 different methods of bypassing the guards in the book, including reminding the players that if they get really unprofessional about things, they just won't get hired again. At absolute worst, they could put the character outside and have him "cover their exit."

Or they could have the face say "Hey, omae... I got 600 with your name on it, if you can get me and my buds here past this heinous line..."

Comparing security needs between between real life clubs and shadowrun clubs isn't a fair or accurate comparison. Real life clubs don't need to worry about shadowrunners at all.

Most scanners wouldn't bother anyone, and most folks would prefer to have them at any club they visit I am sure.

A lot of clubs are starting to have metal detectors. There's a club in Seattle that's had... 4? ... shootings in the last 3 years, and a post-rave "zombie" party recently got shot up by a pretty unbalanced individual. I have a feeling that clubgoers may feel slightly better knowing they're going through a metal detector, as opposed to not.

It's not like the clubs are going to lose a lot of business saying "we make an effort to help our clubgoers not get shot when they come here."

I can see clubs and restaurants (at least, the kinds that aren't in Z-zones already) bothering with it all the time. Who wants to deal with a drunk, cybered-up, BTL-scorched asshole waving a submachinegun around every 4-5 days when a real quick trip through a cyber-scanner (which could also be used for recognition of devices like submachineguns, since it maps shapes) would solve most of these problems?

You get your club shot up a couple of times, it's going to cost you a hell of a lot more than a couple of extra guys inside the door running a coat-and-gun check.

I think it was the Neo-Anarchist's Guide To Real Life that talked about the kind of security they've got in a McHughs (read: McDonalds). This included several armored/armed, highly visible guards, and a restaurant designed to not only provide them with good fields of fire, but built using materials in the chairs and tables that would not provide cover for any potential targets. Safety while you eat was one of their selling points.

People are greedy, right? Here's your club, sitting on a corner downtown making money. There's another club, across the street, with a bigass line of customers outside of it, but since their line is longer, it's obvious they're making more money. What's the easy solution? Pay some gangers a few hundred nuyen to walk into the place and spray some lead into the air, or start a fight and stab a couple of people... generally give the place a rep for being a rough establishment.

At the same time, you stick an extra bouncer on your door, add a "coat check" right before the doorway marked "Milli-wave Technologies," and get on the news talking about what a poor job the other guy did protecting his customers, and how you can't imagine not caring for their well-being when they're in your establishment with something as simple as checking for firearms at the front door. Instant money for the greedy clubowner.

We play a game where the characters shoot people in the face for money. Someone hires these people...

I guess the baseline here would be a bouncing staff. Any place that's going to have a bouncer or two would probably have a scanner built into the door, and either a "no weapons" policy, or at least a place where you can check 'em at the door. Even if there isn't a bouncing staff, it'd be an investment in the safety of the business owner and his staff to have a scanning door simply to let them know "hey, those guys in the long coats over there have subguns in their armpits," and give him the option of mashing the PanicButton if the bar's PAN ID check doesn't come back something like "Off-duty Lone Star."

I think mycoprotien and soy are avaliable enough, but they talked about even factory trucks being heavily guarded because mobs would try to hijack them "even if it was only food". But this was back in 2050 when a lot of the crap was hitting the fan.

I would imagine cyberscanners would be a requirement for Insurance companys insuring any decent establishment as well. In a world where your comlink can be scanned on the streets, I would really think a cyber scan would be no big deal.

Some of you are forgetting many of these so called "Clubs" are owned and operated by retired runners. This could be a good or bad thing depending on reputation. Good rep: the owner has his security look the other way. Bad re: the owner has security go the "No addmitance" route.

I'm not sure I understand why so many people think that "runner clubs" would be so hot on allowing their customers to carry serious firepower. A club cannot survive on runners alone (there aren't enough of them), and given how often runner meets can turn into firefights, you'd think it'd be in their interests to have some form of restriction on the weapons they allow inside, or at least have a fairly developed security presence in the form of cyberscanners linked into the building's network, tracking where all the armed people are going and what they're doing, and marking on the security PAN things like "this guy over here has a submachinegun" if everything goes to hell.

Adopting a policy of "we don't look at you, you don't shoot up the bar" works up until you get someone in there who's a little unbalanced or pissed off, or who thinks they can pop somebody and make a clean getaway. Sadly, that's about 50% of runners...