Now if we can only teach the cat to drag it back out. Unless he finds that Stock certificate he won from FASA and lets me see it. Damn cock tease.

I've searched everything, and asked everyone I used to know in Canada about that share certificate for the AF, but it just disappeared.

I blame American shadowrunners!

Bite me Percival.

We could call it the emo forum.

Truthfully though, I'd disagree. Most of the polls are relevant to the forum they're in. Plus, with Adam's idea, it'll be trivial to simply ignore all threads with the poll tag.

You base that on what? The roaring SR2 - SR3 debate that still rages on daily?

I haven't bothered to try track exact numbers, but the SR4 forum certainly appears busier over the week than the SR forum. I suspect that's where a good deal of the traffic went, people that can't be bothered to operate on both.

There is a thread a created where I asked about sources for Asian names. I had a hard time picking which forum to create it in, because there certainly appears to be a number of posters that don't even read the other forum. But, especially as the thread drifted a bit, I realized there were a number of people from the SR4 forum that would have benefited from reading it. Of course then I would have missed input form people that only bother with the SR forum, and they would have missed benefit.

But despite those later drawbacks I've come to the conclusion, especially given the lower traffic in the SR forum, that the SR4 forum seems to be the logical place to put general. Hell I even see people that have little or no current interest in using SR4 rules are posting in the forum. *shrug*

On a merged forum, for the occational SR3 rules question, that is pretty easy to qualify in the thread there. Surveying the SR forum such threads they seem fairly uncommon, and you actually already see SR4 rules and post Crash 2 setting information being brought up on the SR forums anyway. The world information has always been timeline dependant (both real world publishing, and game world events) so I really don't see the need for tagging on that.

I know there are also technical reasons (disk/DB space) for keeping the number of forums to a minimum. Plus the logistics of sorting the posts and moving them as needed.

Of course that would tend to signal a passing of the torch in the "norm" between editions. But inspite of your desire to acknowledge this happening, it is happening...

Yes, that. Despite the fact that SR2-SR3 is a much, much, much smaller change, we still see posts at a frequency that, while certainly not common, I wouldn't classify as rare from people who either regret changing to SR3 or who simply never switched in the first place.

I think you misunderstand what I mean by "cooldown". I don't mean traffic-wise, I mean flamewar-wise.

~J

You are right, I didn't understand that you meant that.......because that makes no sense. The separate SR4 forum has been there ever since Fanpro publicly announced their plan to release SR4, nearly 5 months before it came out at GenCon.

Of course the more vocal detractors, in the face of kickass sales and people having fun with SR4, and mostly cooled their jets. But that has little to do with a split forum, especially considering that mfb and JamesSL/CD2.0 still 'post' on the SR4 forum.

And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

I never said it was rare, but the move is on and most of the difference is just between 1 year and several. See you in seven and we'll talk.

Anyone that thinks that it's actual support for an argument is...well you. It isn't even a point that is in debate, except perhaps to someone in denial of reality.

Buh-bye!

I think that is so dishonest. What and why do you need to hide it? It makes me ask that sort of question.

I think having a separate Shadowrun forum is no longer necessary because both the SR4 forum and the Shadowrun forum are so clogged with garbage you might as well keep it all in one place. Instead of clicking mark forum read six times, I can now do it five times.

I don't think it's dishonest -- during the general course of reading the forums, I don't care when someone joined, and I don't care where they are located in the world, I don't care what little funny image they want to have next to their name, etc. I am not proposing that this stuff be removed, but, as I've already said, I've loved to see a more streamlined forum display, and the attributes I've listed do not necessarily need to be displayed next to every single post. All of this material -- and probably more -- would still be available if someone clicked on your name to view your profile.

Funny, I was kvetching about the page count issue to the other admins earlier in the day. Do you have a bright idea for a solution? Obviously, making it easier to link to an individual post would help, I think. Any other ideas? [Aside from doing away with multiple post-counts-per-page, which wouldn't bother me, as long as it was set to 50 or 100, but I suspect not everyone would like that. ]

Second that. I don't think that it's hard slap into into the date in the header of a post and it would make refering easier.

As I said upthread, it's an option in IPB. It's working in the forum I co-administrate, in fact. No extra code, it just works.

What version of IPB do you have over there? If it's newer than v1.2, it may be a recently added feature.

The fish-colored man has caught t3h corr3ct.

This is in part because many of those posters are stupid, and I feel no pity that they don't get their questions answered because they can't put them in the appropriate forum. It's like people who can't put appropriate thread titles.

For people thinking about making an SR3 forum, keep in mind that our current Shadowrun forum does not address only SR3, but also SR2 and SR1, both of which still have players in this forum.

I whole-heartedly disagree, but we've had this discussion before.

~J

The thing is though, if you're a new player to SR4, the logical place for you to place any setting questions is the SR4 boards. Heck, if you're a convert from nWoD you may even think that the two games have vastly different settings.

I'm not sure why, other than that it makes you feel superior, you would call those people stupid. I think that not realizing why some very obvious actions are taken is the stupid thing. I know it's odd to think that SR4 players might post questions in an SR4 forum.

What? Are you saying that SR3 and SR4 don't have the same setting and history (up until the point where SR3 rolls over and dies so SR4 can step up of course)?

Perhaps you think that someone wanting to know about horrors / organized crime / immortal elves / dragons / whatever must specify which ruleset they want before they can ask about fluff?

If you are truly absolutely new to SR4 it's one thing. You're (the poster) is wrong, but it's understandable. But I've seen posters here who have been here for six months and have some understanding of the differences between the two forums who still post exclusively in SR4. It's like people who write "cannon" instead of "canon", even though people tell them how it's spelled and everyone around them uses it correctly. You come to the point where it's simply the poster's fault for not educating himself as to how things are done.

I do feel, however, that the forums should be named better. As you pointed out, a brand new person could come in and think that questions about IEs fit best in the SR4 forum because he's playing SR4, without realizing that SR4 (and the forum like it) is a subset of all of the Shadowrun universe. As such, he'd probably not get a lot of answers.

I don't see why. The Powers-That-Be don't seem to have had a problem rearranging and renaming Forums within the current structure up till now.