I have one of my game groups teams based in the U.K., and I've been trying to bring in the whole Pendragon underground in to the game as the anti-establishmnet group. Problem is of course that the only real info that we have to work with is SoE. We're playing a 4th edition game in 2070. Obviously there's a problem with a 5 year gap of activity in the undergorund movement.

Now I could of course go ahead and make up my own stuff. But like with the Tir before, the problem with that is possible (and likely) conflict with canon when it's updated.

In the meantime, I'm looking for anything that others have done with the Pendragon/Pendragon Underground so I can keep things rolling until it gets updated. Also, if anyone has any idea when this is going to get updated (very ballpark here), that would be just swell. Thanks.

Resident Freelancer Synner has the answers for you. but I kinda beat you to asking the question. Heres the scoop....

I asked via email (editing some of this):

Synner, I just wanted to know the status of what the pendragon is up to. Is he still leading the revolution in Europe, is he laying low? Most importantly is the Excalibur he has real, if so did he steal it from Dunkie?

Synner Replied me today:

A careful reading of the fiction piece at the beginning
of the Magical Groups chapter in Street Magic might be
interesting...

Pendragon has been MIA since 2065 and the LPO has put
its jackboot firmly on the throat of the country with
the Emergency Powers Act (basically martial law under
another name) passed to restore order after the
Crash2.0 and never lifted. (Very much akin to "V FOR VENDETTA" so I dig it)

Unfortunately things have a habit of twisting out of
control and several parties are chafing to bring down
the LPO once and for all (the Street Magic piece
features one such)- and maybe on the way we'll find
out what really happened to Pendragon.

As to the nature of Excalibur, unfortunately that
would be telling... but its important to note that
Dunklezahn's words were that he seemed to have
misplaced it.

Thats all I got. Synner was very generous to send it to me so make sure everyone reads this post gives a shot out and a thank you to our guy.

Comments, Questions, Speculation?

Thanks, apparently I have some reading to do. Maybe Fortune will post his theory we've been discussing.

I'm gonna go home and bone up now.

Never fear! Harley will win in the end.

fistandantilus3.0,

No problem I'm sure you would do the same for me. Were runners right gotta stay cutting edge of the SOTA to survive

Fortune,

Post your theory I wanna know what you got working out. It might not get Synners attention but it could turn into your and someone else's side plot

"Faster, stronger, smarter. God I hate the technology curve"
-Fastjack

So you think Pendragon is Harley? But in Shadows of Europe he mentions something like "Excalibur indeed... Interesting". I dont think he has it and Pendragon is someone else.

So help me out I'm clueless on what you two are thinking. Do you think Pendragon is Ethan the scribe or anohter dragon?

I don't know if you would call it a theory that I have been 'working on' or anything of the like.

I have just always gone on the assumption that Harley was/is Arthur (or at least was very closely associated with him). It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to go from 'Arthur' to 'Pendragon' ...

Alternately, maybe the reason that Pendragon disappeared in '65 was that Harley finally caught up with the brash and foolhardy imposter and (re)claimed his inheritance.

I like my first 'theory', but the second is growing on me.

That would make sense for harley to be artuhur but theres only one person who truely knows

Aww... I was hoping that they'd be more blatant in ripping off V for Vendetta.

Oh well.

Yeah me too, That movie is A for Awesome. and B fits well with the 6th world.

I like your theory, but at the same moment I hope that you're not correct with it. Not another IE playing a major role in the history of a country, please.

I've still got a few surprises up my sleave for Pendragon and the olde Green and Pleasant Isle, hopefully we'll be able to visit the Smog in an upcoming book... until then keep looking for clues and developments in future books, as some of you well know I have a penchant for dropping hints and minor tie-ins into pretty much anything I write.

And we thank for it. It makes the game easier to follow and includes us in your plot lines in our own way.

Now if we can figgure out how far Ghost walker is in resurecting the spirit of denver

I was worried I was the only one who thought it sucked. Needless to say it continued the Wachowski Brothers slide into hell. Won't get into it here.

Anyway thanks for chiming in Synner.

Nah I loved the aethetic. I didnt pay attention to that american criticism stuff I dont go to the movies to think i go there to have fun

Well, seems I am not that bright, as I missed the American Critism stuff. I enjoyed the movie. But like ChicagosFinest, I tend to turn off my sense of disbelief and enjoy the movie.

Okies so we have an Underground tha may be getting desperate, desperate enough to do something stupid... fun. And I'm glad to see the Pendragon gone I loved the concept, but anyone called Pendragon should attempt something, fail (and die) setting things up for his successor, Arthur traditionally, who will step up and complete the task (often harder and more complicated, for Arthur add defeating Saxons to the uniting Britain Uther tried), this nicely ties to my ideas of an Awakened land(no the land is looking at you) led by a certain facepainted fop.

Yeah but will this new Arthur have the same downfall as the 1st? Adn will he have the knights of the round table and all? Lancealot will probably be Harelequin (I'm calling it now). Holy grail and all that stuff.

So it was Uther, the father, and not Arthur (both Pendragons, right?) that we were dealing with... Interesting! The bad king reproduced and died.

@Fortune: I haven't really read enough on it, so I'm just throwing an idea in there as pure speculation, but you mentioned that, if Harlequin is not Arthur, he's probably tied to him in a big way. Could he be Arthur's wise advisor, good old Merlin? Just a thought... I haven't read enough fluff to know anything about that.

It's been years since I went through Harlequin's Back, but in the adventure, one of the stops is in a realm drawing heavily on Arthurian mythology. Wasn't Harley playing the role of Lancelot there?

You know what?! Don't let it stop you. It's the orient express and not britian. Just look over the stuff about serbia and croatia and try to adapt it to a runners haven style campain setting. Mention the orient express and any ties or other plot devices you might want to include. Just revise and update it to SR4. I'm rooting for you.

I dont know... I asked Synner and Frank for a little help to guide me through the process. So far no answer. I understand if there busy but I need to see a solid example of what makes standout SR material. I fear wasting time on somthing only to have a differant path come up, failure and being rejected as much as you do.

Plus I don't want to appear like I'm an SR fanboy geek by copying material that they have plans for or altering a story ach they might have in the works. I want to be an intellegent, proactive, useful writer (IE: Frank Trollman who makes the rules his bitch on a regular basis). The problem is it's by commitee and I dont know how to get information on their open writing calls so I'm clueless.

But I say try anyways b/c its probably like geting babptized by fire. Either you get in or you don't. At least thats my 2 worth on it

...yeah, a rejection slip is one thing, usually they come with constructive criticism (usually). However, when the work is still in the VAB ready to roll out to the launch pad (yeah, I'm from the days when there was a real space race) and it is rendered obsolete, it really sours one's enthusiasm.

Moved.

Frank's proposal is quite appropriate for a rulebook, though more than a little ambitious for a first time proposal. Sourcebooks and even mixed-format books (like the SOTAs) have different requisites.

I think I'll start a different thread where I'll post the standard reply mail I put together a while back for people who asked me how I got started and what pointers I could offer to help them get a foot in the door. If anyone has questions post there and let's get this thread back on track.

Sweeet!

Can't wait for that.

Make sure you let us "wannabes" know where your posting it up.

I could see Excaliber being found by some unnamed (and at the time unknown) person, who then fell under the influence of the Sword (or an outside group), maybe even brainwashed into thinking that he needed to fulfill his destiny as the Land's new savior.

I admit that, although I know my Arthur Legends, didn't put too much stock into the relationship (if any) between Harley and a Pendragon that wasn't associated with him directly. Bad me!

I did consider the 'Gwen Issue', but my thinking was more along the lines that Frosty would fit that bill quite nicely next to Harley's Arthur. I also think that'd really tweak Ehran's short-n-curlies.