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emo samurai
I'm sure that mages can detect when somebody has potential. Why don't the private schools just have astrally projecting mages scan everybody for about 5 minutes?
Dawnshadow
Takes an extraordinary number of successes. 3rd ed, 5, if memory serves.

So, what you end up with is "This person will awaken, everyone else, couldn't tell you".. since you can't definitively say "No" under most circumstances. Because you don't necessairily know if you've only got 4 successes, or the all-important 5.

If my numbers are off, shift them down slightly.. it's still very unlikely.
emo samurai
I see.

It's like trying to spot a mite from 10 feet away?
mfb
assensing doesn't always work, not even with 5+ successes. no test available always works. that said, the private schools probably do test for magical ability--early and often. they just don't always succeed in detecting it.
Wounded Ronin
I always thought that assenssing was a little too powerful. Makes it too easy to tell right away who's a toxic mage and who isn't. Oh well.
Mistwalker
Any mage who has even the smallest amount of power, will probably have masking as a metamagic technique, so that you can't tell what kind of 6th world being he/she is.
Wounded Ronin
QUOTE (Mistwalker)
Any mage who has even the smallest amount of power, will probably have masking as a metamagic technique, so that you can't tell what kind of 6th world being he/she is.

But that's not really foolproof. If someone keeps checking him for long enough he'll probably roll what he needs to figure the truth out.
Herald of Verjigorm
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin)
I always thought that assenssing was a little too powerful. Makes it too easy to tell right away who's a toxic mage and who isn't. Oh well.

If played to strengths, the toxic mage is either: masked, in a background count (+ to assense TNs), or in the process of ordering his toxic water elemental to sludge you while you are busy guessing at his tradition.
tisoz
It has been stated a few times that magical ability expresses at around puberty. So some budding mages may be late bloomers.
TonkaTuff
Another reason to not use Assensing is that using it severely limits the number of people who can make money off of spotting future magicians. You hire a mage to detect potential magicians, you have to pay him/her to do it. But in SR there are whole companies that do nothing but test for magical potential (sort of like the College Board corporation and the SATs). You go in, do a bunch of tests, and they can tell you whether you're Awakened in six-to-eight weeks. This process employs alot more people, and lets mundanes break into the otherwise-closed magical services market. And since they rely on a scientific process, rather than magic, they can standardize and (usually) guarantee their results.
SL James
QUOTE (Dawnshadow @ Nov 19 2006, 11:05 AM)
Takes an extraordinary number of successes. 3rd ed, 5, if memory serves.

So, what you end up with is "This person will awaken, everyone else, couldn't tell you".. since you can't definitively say "No" under most circumstances. Because you don't necessairily know if you've only got 4 successes, or the all-important 5.

If my numbers are off, shift them down slightly.. it's still very unlikely.

QUOTE (MitS @ cool.gif
A magical child's aura shows telltale signs of his or her potential, but it is very difficult to sense before the power awakens (requiring at least 5 successes on an Astral Perception Test, per p. 172, SR3). Once it does, the child's aura shows it clearly, like any other Awakened person.

Emphasis mine.

QUOTE (tisoz)
It has been stated a few times that magical ability expresses at around puberty.  So some budding mages may be late bloomers.

And some metahumans have expressed as early as 8. As with many things magical, your results may vary.

However, there has been in SR for a long time something called the Dumas test, which is administered to all SINner children (in the UCAS and CAS, anyway) with a mostly accurate, but open to pretty egregious false negatives, result.
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Mistwalker)
Any mage who has even the smallest amount of power, will probably have masking as a metamagic technique, so that you can't tell what kind of 6th world being he/she is.

Passive masking is only useful if initiates are rare. If initiates are not rare (like, say, any mage with even the smallest amount of power being one), passive masking is barely useful.

~J
Shockwave_IIc
I always wondered what sort of reading a masked mage would give off, has to be something doesn't it? do you pick the reading? Otherwise the very fact that you can't be read gives away the fact you a mage. At least to half competent people anyway.
mfb
i assume it displays whatever you want it to display.
SL James
I imagine it masks your aura as that of a mundane or a person with less magical power.

QUOTE (MitS @ 76)
Masking hides the true nature of an initiate's aura, presenting a less powerful astral presence to astral observers (see Astral Perception, p. 171, SIU). lnitiates using this ability can change their aura to that of a mundane, or at least a non-initiate. Maslting can also hide a character's dual nature so that they look magical but not astrally present. Masking can also hide emotions (hatred, love, jealousy and so forth) that are reflected within an aura so that another mage cannot assense the emotional state of the maslting magician.

Oh, hey. Look at that. Even Steve Kenson agrees with me.
Fortune
QUOTE (Shockwave_IIc)
I always wondered what sort of reading a masked mage would give off, has to be something doesn't it? do you pick the reading? Otherwise the very fact that you can't be read gives away the fact you a mage. At least to half competent people anyway.

The person using Masking chooses how they want their Aura to appear. It can be anything from totally mundane, to an non-Initiate, all the way up to twice the Initiate's grade (IIRC).
Shockwave_IIc
Cool i suspected as much. Just means that if your a mage and you get angry, better remember to make your aura angry too, otherwise your spotted (Assuming someone is assensing you of caurse)
Fortune
I believe that Masking only has an effect on the magical bits of your Aura. I don't know that you can use it to alter emotional content (but I don't think it would be necessary either), or other kinds of details.
Shockwave_IIc
QUOTE (Fortune)
I believe that Masking only has an effect on the magical bits of your Aura. I don't know that you can use it to alter emotional content (but I don't think it would be necessary either), or other kinds of details.

Oh. I just remember reading something in Corperate punishment about Banshee and her suffering from self loathing if you pierce her masking. Thought the opposite would be true (of sorts).
Fortune
QUOTE (Shockwave_IIc)
I just remember reading something in Corperate punishment about Banshee and her suffering from self loathing if you pierce her masking. Thought the opposite would be true (of sorts).

In that case, you may very well be right. Even if that is the case though, I still don't believe that the 'Mask' requires constant fine tuning to adapt it to your actual emotions.
Shockwave_IIc
Granted most of the time it would be irrelevant, just wondering if it would be possible to "catch out" an initiate if the emotion was extreme enough.
hyzmarca
Magical potential often Awakens via spontaneous summoning or casting in a dangerous or stressful situation. Therefore, the most reliable way to test for magical potential is to place a candidate into a deathtrap that could easily be defeated with magic.

If they Awaken then they are perfectly safe. If not then there is one less mundane in the world.
Konsaki
Evolve or die, huh?
I'm pretty sure the population wouldnt put up with that for very long, considering how many of them are still weary of magic in general.
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Fortune)
I believe that Masking only has an effect on the magical bits of your Aura. I don't know that you can use it to alter emotional content (but I don't think it would be necessary either), or other kinds of details.

According to MitS, you can. See the section James quoted.

~J
Fortune
QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
According to MitS, you can. See the section James quoted.

See the post(s) immediately below the one you quoted where I already admitted as much. wink.gif
mfb
the text quoted can be read to fit Fortune's interpretation, unfortunately. it says you can alter the magical parts of your aura, but it only talks about hiding when it comes to dual-naturedness and emotions. i, personally, interpret "hiding" to include all the stuff it talks about in the portion referring to magic, but that's not the only possible interpretation. i believe the devs also view masking this way.
emo samurai
In 2xs,
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