treehugger
Jun 14 2007, 08:58 AM
Hi all,
I'm still wondering what project infity is, and i hoped some of you could help me on that matter.
Here is what i "know" :
[ Spoiler ]
- This project is at least partly based on genetech research
- Universal Omnitech is leading the project (or at least they are linked to it)
- Smiling bandit, the legendary decker, is very interested in it and knows a lot about it.
- Universal Omnitech has a partnership with Aztechnology.
- Speculation : i dont know why but i think they are linked to one of the Tir and particulary Alachia. I THNIK i've seen something about this, but dont get my word on it.
So anyone has datas on this matter ?
Any help would be apreciated

Synner
Jun 14 2007, 09:47 AM
Actually no UniOmni is no longer directly linked with Aztechnology (since Roxy bailed on the Big A) although they do maintain ongoing partnerships on some projects.
As to Project Infinity, well, that would be telling...
fistandantilus4.0
Jun 14 2007, 04:50 PM
Which book was this mentioned in? SOTA '64?
Moon-Hawk
Jun 14 2007, 04:52 PM
The name Shadowtech drifts through my brain. Perhaps there?
HMHVV Hunter
Jun 14 2007, 04:52 PM
It was mentioned in Dunkelzahn's Secrets, sort of:
<<<And let's not forget the infamous Project Infinity...>>>
-The Smiling Bandit
<<<Mr. Bandit, I thought we agreed not to discuss this in public.>>>
-KAM
Cain
Jun 14 2007, 04:52 PM
Yes, it was Shadowtech. At least initally.
Moon-Hawk
Jun 14 2007, 04:56 PM
QUOTE (Cain) |
Yes, it was Shadowtech. At least initally. |
The crap that I remember.
treehugger
Jun 14 2007, 04:58 PM
Answers in the spoiler warning :
[ Spoiler ]
From memory, Project Infinity was mentioned first in the Shadowtech, in the runners discussions regarding genetech.
Smiling Bandit keeps adding datas on the matter, and some (un)official UO rep starts to cover up stuff and tries to found out how those datas where found. Smiling Bandit then mentions the project, and it seems the UO official was quite amazed he could know about it.
There is also a mention of the project in target Matrix, when they present each prime Decker.
Again Smiling Bandit and the same UO rep talks about that stuff.
Thanks to Synner, it appears that there is mention of it in Runner's Heavens in the Cape section ... (i'll have to find it once at home).
I didnt read SOTA 64 yet, just started GMing SR a few monthes ago.
There might be some kind of mention in other books, since i recall that UO's headquarters are in Toronto. (so either Seatle book(s) or NAN books)
For some reason i think they are linked to one of the Tirs, but my memory is messed up on that matter.
Synner
Jun 14 2007, 05:01 PM
Clarification - The Runner Havens follow up has a different name but it is indeed a continuation of the same project following all the shake ups UniOmni has been through - and yes, the new name is a clue.
fistandantilus4.0
Jun 14 2007, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (Cain @ Jun 14 2007, 11:52 AM) |
Yes, it was Shadowtech. At least initally. |
Thanks. Don't suppose anyone's got apage ref?
NM pg 72:
QUOTE (Shadowtech pg 72) |
>>>>>>>>I read a lot. Comes with the territory. I'v read all your papers, too. I must say that I found the Project Infinity proposal very interesting. Oh, and Doc , let me be the first to tell you that you don't look nearly old enough to have a daughter that age.<<<< -The Smiling Bandit <Strikes again/Ha-Ha-Ha> >>>>>Project Infinity? Mr. Bandit, here's my home address. I think there are a few things we need to discuss, and that it's best done face-to-face<<< -KAM<20:04:32/12-19-52> |
The discussion leading up to this was on gene-engineering, and engineering magical abilities, paranimals, and "super mages". Maybe S.B. went on a tangent, maybe he didn't.
@Synner - I love these little treasure hunts
fistandantilus4.0
Jun 14 2007, 05:53 PM
QUOTE (Runner Havens pg 123) |
<During the op I mentioned before, I ran into another nugget: there's a UO black clinic somewhere in the sprawl working on a Project codenamed Methuselah. From what I could piece together, the Cape facility is just part of a network of facilities spread across Azania, and it's getting significant support from some secret faction within the Zulu Nation. What doesn't add up is that the Rain Queen is the traditional guardian of the Zulu's rivals the Xhosa; yet there's now way this could be active in Cape Town without Mujaji's blessing. -Stone
Interesting. I did extra digging my self, and all I turned up is that they're tapping into the national gene databanks UO inherited from DeBeers. The gene bank was financed by DeBeers as part of the effort to combat the AIDS and VITAS crises that threatend to decimate the South African labor pool.ti contained more than 29 million genetic profilesback in 2022. SIN registration in Azania includes a biosample to the day. Do the math. -The Smiling Bandit. |
If Roxborough is still around after the crash, he could still be working on a body. but for local tie-ins, you've got IEs and the Heavenherds in the area, and the Heavenherds are supposed to know cybermancy already. Could be like the Tir and the StopWatch syndrome or whatever. Someone in UO knows there's immortal elves in the area, and is looking to find a copy of one's genetic code to figure out how to reproduce it?
methuselahSo Project Infinity and a code name for the world's oldest man, seems to be a pretty strong hint there. If you're the master of biotech, might as well go after the fountain of youth.
Trigger
Jun 14 2007, 07:31 PM
This reminds of a novel, of which the name I can't recall at the moment, where there was a genetic project that bred humans together with already naturally long lifespans to create people that could live hundreds to thousands of years....
Makes for an interesting thought to think about giving the life expectancy of elves to the other metatypes.
JongWK
Jun 14 2007, 08:02 PM
QUOTE (treehugger) |
Answers in the spoiler warning :
[ Spoiler ] From memory, Project Infinity was mentioned first in the Shadowtech, in the runners discussions regarding genetech. Smiling Bandit keeps adding datas on the matter, and some (un)official UO rep starts to cover up stuff and tries to found out how those datas where found. Smiling Bandit then mentions the project, and it seems the UO official was quite amazed he could know about it. There is also a mention of the project in target Matrix, when they present each prime Decker. Again Smiling Bandit and the same UO rep talks about that stuff. Thanks to Synner, it appears that there is mention of it in Runner's Heavens in the Cape section ... (i'll have to find it once at home). I didnt read SOTA 64 yet, just started GMing SR a few monthes ago. There might be some kind of mention in other books, since i recall that UO's headquarters are in Toronto. (so either Seatle book(s) or NAN books) For some reason i think they are linked to one of the Tirs, but my memory is messed up on that matter. |
The UO Rep was Dr. Kristine A. Martin ("KAM"), one of their top scientists. She and her daughter jumped ship in
State of the Art:2064 --where to is a question that should have been answered with
SoLA, but Augmentation might have some information to catch up.
KAM and Roxy had a...
long-term relationship.
fistandantilus4.0
Jun 14 2007, 08:18 PM
Ahhh, the SoLA pain is back again. Oh it hurts.
Big D
Jun 14 2007, 10:30 PM
QUOTE |
QUOTE (Shadowtech pg 72) >>>>>>>>I read a lot. Comes with the territory. I'v read all your papers, too. I must say that I found the Project Infinity proposal very interesting. Oh, and Doc , let me be the first to tell you that you don't look nearly old enough to have a daughter that age.<<<< -The Smiling Bandit <Strikes again/Ha-Ha-Ha> >>>>>Project Infinity? Mr. Bandit, here's my home address. I think there are a few things we need to discuss, and that it's best done face-to-face<<< -KAM<20:04:32/12-19-52>
|
Y'know, I had always just assumed that she was making an offer that was as much personal as business...
Has Bandit shown up in any recent books? It seems like all of the old legends are dying off (or, for the lucky ones, retiring).
Casper
Jun 14 2007, 10:39 PM
So what is it that project infinity does. Sorry i am away from my books.
Jaid
Jun 14 2007, 11:43 PM
QUOTE (Casper) |
So what is it that project infinity does. Sorry i am away from my books. |
so read the thread. as in, the answer is right there. it's practically spelled out for you. in giant, flashing neon letters. twice.
treehugger
Jun 15 2007, 08:08 AM
QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) |
Someone in UO knows there's immortal elves in the area, and is looking to find a copy of one's genetic code to figure out how to reproduce it? |
Fist, your digging is excellent, as i could not access my books yesterday evening.
Here is my follow up in the spoiler flag :
[ Spoiler ]
But your theory doesnt feel right : Azania is an elven nation.
Elven Nation = IEs behind to back it up ...
So if the project is based in Azania, how could it be done without their blessing ?
You're saying someone in UO know there are IE and looking for some genetic sample.
I say UO is ran by IE(s), its the most obvious solution.
Imagine a power capable of breeding IEs ... it would be unstopable.
In my campaign, i've done some stuff around this, Dark Angel like.
Anyway it makes sense :
UO is the first corp to commercialise Leonisation.
In some way its the stimulation of the "immortal" gene.
There is genetech research to make super paranormal creatures, mages etc ... but from the comments in the shadowtech they're still working to be able to "breed" elves, trolls etc ...
I asked myself : why breed geneticaly a metahuman ?
First answer : the "Ubersoldier" ...
Then i realised it was stupid : why need this ? It could have some utility, but really worth it ? no, it costs millions, and would get torched in seconds versus dragons and the like.
Then i crossed datas, and i thought what if they could breed IEs ...
To breed some they'd have to make a few experiments before : breeding an elf first, an elven mage, and then maybe the IE.
I dont have a lot of facts to back up my theory, but think about it : how could the IEs of Azania be blind about that project if there is mentions of it on shadowland and the project is on their lands ...
There is one thing that goes agaisnt my theory : the shadowland poster says that there is no way Mujaji couldnt be aware of it ...
I doubt any dragon would support the creation of IEs seeing their mutual history ...
It seems i'm still missing some things ...
Crusher Bob
Jun 15 2007, 08:34 AM
QUOTE (Trigger) |
This reminds of a novel, of which the name I can't recall at the moment, where there was a genetic project that bred humans together with already naturally long lifespans to create people that could live hundreds to thousands of years....
... |
I'd guess you are talking about
Methuselah's Children or one the novels or short stories in the same universe.
FrankTrollman
Jun 15 2007, 03:49 PM
Azania is not an Elven nation. It is a federation of four nations of which oe (Zulu Azania) is an elven nation. The other three nations are not and some of them are quite human-centric. DeBeers-Universal Omnitech has its fortress in the Human part.
-Frank
treehugger
Jun 15 2007, 03:55 PM
Where can i find datas on DeBeers and UO ? And on Azania ?
I mean apart from Runner's Heaven ?
Slash_Thompson
Jun 15 2007, 08:36 PM
I'd probably play this as an immortal human research project. given the way the plot hooks have laid out so far.
Ravor
Jun 15 2007, 08:49 PM
Yeah, although just imagine the profits to be had by the first corp who managed to invent a working "Mage Serum", even if it did kill a portion of its users ala The 4400.
No reason that the project can't have multiple goals while they are disecting IEs anyways...
WhiskeyMac
Jun 15 2007, 10:47 PM
Does Project Infinity and Project Methuselah have anything to do with the plot of The Forever Drug? Or is that another plot that ended with Lofwyr?
fistandantilus4.0
Jun 16 2007, 07:23 PM
Different.
FrankTrollman
Jun 16 2007, 08:59 PM
QUOTE (Slash_Thompson) |
I'd probably play this as an immortal human research project. given the way the plot hooks have laid out so far. |
Or since it's originally KAM at the top, another tie-in to the Immortal Dwarfs plotline.
-Frank
Ancient History
Jun 16 2007, 09:25 PM
QUOTE (FrankTrollman) |
QUOTE (Slash_Thompson @ Jun 15 2007, 03:36 PM) | I'd probably play this as an immortal human research project. given the way the plot hooks have laid out so far. |
Or since it's originally KAM at the top, another tie-in to the Immortal Dwarfs plotline.
-Frank
|
There is no Immortal Dwarf plotline.
FrankTrollman
Jun 16 2007, 09:34 PM

-Frank
Wakshaani
Jun 16 2007, 10:33 PM
Oh, the Great Dwarf Conspiracy's been posted before.
Oddly, all information about it was expunged from the Shadownet.
Funny that.
FrankTrollman
Jun 16 2007, 10:44 PM
The Immortal Dwarfs thing has been a point of contention in the past - as the publication of it only appeared in German-only materials. There has been a substantial movement amongst the English writers to ignore that material for a number of aesthetic reasons having to do with Waloon TV.
And of course, now that FanPro is divided across the Atlantic, there is no longer a mandate to reconcile works by the German units with the works of the English unit. Indeed, there is quite probably never going to be a continuity convergeance in which the German-only material gets folded into English continuity. References to immortal dwarfs in mushroom houses not only don't exist in the Catalyst Game Labs continuity, they won't exist in this continuity.
---
But that doesn't mean that it was never a possibility. And for that reason saying "It's a continuation of Immortal Dwarfs plotline" is a harmless and good natured way to piss Ancient History off. It's like saying that something is "in SoLA".
-Frank
HappyDaze
Jun 17 2007, 01:35 AM
QUOTE |
a harmless and good natured way to piss Ancient History off |
Well, that's always a good thing.
Slash_Thompson
Jun 18 2007, 09:23 PM
QUOTE |
It's like saying that something is "in SoLA". |
so
that's where Lowfyr's exposé about "My life as a metahuman sex-slave" got off to.
Grinder
Jun 19 2007, 09:42 AM
QUOTE (FrankTrollman) |
The Immortal Dwarfs thing has been a point of contention in the past - as the publication of it only appeared in German-only materials. |
And we're so proud of it. I want to know what the german writers smoked when they wrote the german sourcebooks.
mfb
Jun 19 2007, 05:15 PM
hm. i don't speak or read any german at all, but i was aware of the immortal dwarf thing. you sure it didn't sneak into the Germany sb somewhere?
FrankTrollman
Jun 19 2007, 06:24 PM
QUOTE (mfb) |
hm. i don't speak or read any german at all, but i was aware of the immortal dwarf thing. you sure it didn't sneak into the Germany sb somewhere? |
It just gets talked about on dumpshock from time to time. People who read the English sourcebooks exclusively would not know anything about immortal dwarfs. As Ancient History said, there is no ID plotline.
-Frank
Xenith
Jun 19 2007, 09:12 PM
For some reason The Forever Drug(if I'm remembering it right) with the Shapeshifter comes to mind. Hmmm.... I thought that Spike Baby lady he was rescuing/tailing was killed....
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