I have no problems doing datasnatchs, or extractions, but for some reason I can't see myself doing anything longterm like that. Now if the job was to join project to find a spy I could see myself doing it, it all depends on how close I had to get to people. I just can't sell out someone I'm close to.

I know Bond did many, many un-spy-like things, but the idea that you would have to say that a dedicated spy, of all people, "even" did it is… I don't know what to say.

~J

My latest character

Ate his siblings as a toddler

continues to relish metahuman flesh

killed a couple of children to get their commlink so he could play music chips

mutilates women that won't give him what he wants by biting their ears off

has elaborate plans to sexually assault another PC (which as I player I will make sure never come to fruition)

and all that is just in his pre-game-start background material.

I remember a Millenium's End game once which was set in my home town. IRL I'm a prosecutor with the DPP (District Attorney's office equivilent, for Americans). The group got up to some pretty crazy and illegal stuff (especially crazy since in that game you play, effectively, company men who hire themselves out to clients for quiet ops). For a few games, I would come along and inform the group about what the maximum penalties were for all the offences they had commited in the previous game, and what they would be likely to see sentence-wise if they were convicted.

I don't recall a single game where the answer wasn't "life imprisonment".

I can't seem to think of anything that hasn't been done by at least one of my characters ... if not in Shadowrun then some other RPG.

The sickest character I have (and I mean this in a psychiatric sense) has a, I will use the word respect, for innocence. It not that he would not do something to toddlers but finds no challenge in that stops his actions.

Did you ever wear a pregnant vampire's entrails as a belt while she was still alive?
Do you have any involvement with a Tanamous-connected real leather goods factory?
Have you ever summoned an SR4 Inhabitation Spirit into someone's fast food hamburger as a Hybrid Merge?

See, now we're getting into specifics, so I plead the Fifth.

Among the worst...

-Willful endangering of innocents, opened fire with a shotgun in a crowded hospital hallway, I think some poor folks took some stray buckshot.

-Character of German decent who tied up and threw his landlord (who coincidently was Jewish) into the Sound after the landlord reported him to LS and refused, under torture, to refund the rent payed in advance. He was nicknamed "The Nazi" for a while after that.

Your character rented from a Jew?! Eating babies and making leather clothing from their skin is one thing but renting from a Jew, that's just evil.

Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape. It's the "not wigging out when you get lost behind enemy lines and possibly captured" skillset.

~J

From the WIKI

Thanks for the info.

Evil things my favorite character has done...

Specialized in wetwork

Torture for the hell of it (The face left the room and was done with the questions, but she didn't say stop)

Murdered a security guard's wife and framed the husband - just to tie up loose ends that the other runners didn't think were loose ends at all.

Tried to literally crucify an ex-SO

Murdered a stuffer-shack waitress because she took pictures

Recorded 'killer's-eyes-view' snuff videos of all her kills in thermographic because it was 'the most beautiful artform I've ever experienced'

Threatened another runner with death should he continue with his stupidity

Worked with the Mafia - friends with a lt. of the Gianelli family

Retreived a lost product for Ares... that product happened to be a six year old girl who had been 'kidnapped/rescued' by her parents.

Executed a good friend and her commanding officer on company orders (while working for Firewatch)

Murdered her own helpless, hospitalized father on company orders (while working for Firewatch)

Seriously considered (but for her own reasons did not take) a contract from a rival team to asassinate her own teammembers as vengeance for a run she herself orchestrated - unbeknownst to the rival team.

Manufactured evidence (while working for Firewatch)

False testimony (while working for Firewatch)

Shot a man in the throat for making a lewd, sexist remark

Chose to execute two unconscious truck drivers who didn't even see who had knocked them out to begin with - just to maintain the mystique of a vanishing convoy without a trace... fed their bodies to ghouls.

Wanted to kill a Johnson and a fixer, but instead had to 'settle' for allying with a rival fixer

Supplied medical supplies and weapons to two rival gangs - causing a gang war to go up a few notches


Well... she's done more evil things, but those are the high points. She's progressively becoming less evil though, now having earned the monicker of 'recovering sociopath'

I've done all the basic "shadowrunny" bad deeds (Killing, dealing, smuggling, organlegging, Petty and Grand Theft, etc.), but my most memorable... and probably most despicable... was detonating a small nuke off the coast of Vancouver, BC. Ah, the good days of 2e. My most advanced character too... I should see about bringing him back!

I didn't get caught, but the Johnson decided not to pay, so I had to cover my tracks... up a fair chunk of the corp food chain, too >.<

I believe the warrant is still out for my "Retrieval" being dead or alive (preferablly dead).

I mean, I don't know what the big deal was. It was only a small one.

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14...15 Megatons, tops.

...14 - 15 megatonnes? Small?

That's a bleedin city killer. And this guy's still alive?

Makes KK's little episode of blowing up the Bremerton ferry seem like small potatoes and she's been hiding out for nearly the last year.

Like I said. Small.

The original pay was for hunting rival fishing ships and sabotaging and/or sinking them. I made some calls, and after two months of "Hunt for Red October" with the team, my "toy" arrived. How was I supposed to know I wasn't going to get extra cash for sabotage-in-bulk? 4 ships at once was too much to pass up. And the poor, poor ecosystem. Well, I'm a beef guy anyway.

Also, this was back in 2052, IIRC. So I've kept that dude on the move for the past 18 years lol

All the ones I've played in online games tend to be good guys. Or at least, people just trying to get by without being too terrible.

But Rookwood, the physmage (Adversary shaman) I play in an face-to-face game, tends to be the exception there.

His team was hired to steal a load of weapons from a train. They were in the rear cars of what was otherwise a passenger train. He eventually concluded that the simplest way to get them off the train was to derail it. So he and the street sam, Vebibo, set charges on the train tracks. Then they decided to make sure the timing was perfect, so they called another member of the team he happened to not like (and whose player didn't make it to the game) and told him to be aboard a certain train at a certain time, and call them when it reached a predetermined point.

We got the player to go along with it by calling him at home and telling him only what we told the character. He agreed on that basis. The next day it was revealed to him that he was nearly killed in the derailing.

The wreck killed about 200 people. The only ones to survive were Petrio (the one they called) and an incredibly lucky small child. Rookwood sold the child to one of his contacts (a sociopathic street doc/mage), either for medical experiments, to be raised as a slave, or for senseless torture. He never bothered to ask. Once the Johnson's goons got everything loaded up in the trucks, Rookwood set phase two of his plan into motion by killing one of the goons. That was the signal for the troll and street sam to kill the others. Then they took the load back to the meeting place, and one went in invisibly and killed the Mr J, who they had a long history of hatred with.

Afterwards Rookwood and the troll set about killing off the J's entire family.


...then there was the time he knocked out some innocent bystander who ran across the team on a stakeout. Good precation, sure, and better than killing her. Until he also sold her to the same contact. He was well aware that her fate would be constant torture.


During a massive raid on their base of operations, Rookwood single-handedly took out the other side's rigger and about two dozen ganger goons he had along. The rigger died because he was trapped in his own command vehicle with his drones disabled, and was gradually frightened into suicide (he focused entirely on the rigger after the rigger's opening rocket salvo nearly injured him - hooray for that Vindictive flaw). The gangers were knocked out via stunball. Rookwood later ordered their execution with the aid of some of the team's own minions.


He once stabbed his own teammate just to prove a point. The guy lived, so Rookwood took the bloody knife and sold the blood to their Mr J as a material link.


He also was trained as a blood mage (but left the circle before being truly initiated - he doesn't have the Sacrifice metamagic or geas), and was known to kill people and use their blood in various magical rituals, such as setting up his shamanic lodge.


Oh, almost forgot. Most recently, when asked to meet a new team member (young elf female with no real combat ability), he decided she was irritating. So he set their meeting place in an area known to be crime-ridden and a lurking area for rapists and murderers. After the meeting, he left her behind there, and she didn't survive the trip back.


That's all I can think of for now, but there's probably more. He's an evil bastard.

...hmmm, that almost nominates him for the Falling Bovine Award.

I'm surprised any other PCs even hang around with this guy considering the rep he would have.

On the other hand, he would make a wonderfully nefarious NPC.

You know, you don't acquire a rep if people don't make the connections…

~J

...the key word is if...

...but yes, the burden of proof is the responsibility of the other PCs should someone decide to notice something amiss. Of course this could most likely degenerate into a PvP situation which I personally am not a big fan of as either a player or GM.

Personally, were I the player of the aforementioned elf female PC, I would not want to play in this group again. There are despicable acts, but constantly screwing over fellow teammates as this character has apparently done, is in my book, disruptive play & should be dealt with OoC by the GM.

However, let's not open up that can of Rockworms again.

The elf's player wasn't liking where his character was going, so he decided to get her killed as a reason for her not to come back. I just let my character do the dirty work (on player request, actually).

Petrio (the one he nearly killed on the train) wasn't really in good standing with the rest of the team anyway (previous run he nearly got our rigger killed, and accused the troll of catching his house on fire), and eventually tried to kill us all (leading directly to that massive attack on the group hideout).

The gangers collectively had a Willpower of 2, and I roll 8 dice for combat spells, so they were there primarily as a distraction. The rigger's vehicle had already taken damage, and a teammate actually got the drones. And he was paranoid and welded his doors shut from the inside, and also terrified of Rookwood from earlier incidents (though I really am not sure what caused that - he never did a thing to him). So rather than actually face him, he shot himself.

If you look at it, he only has one PC death on his hands (and it was more a player-directed suicide), and one non-lethal stabbing. It was only a Light wound if I recall, and the other players seemed to think the guy earned it.

Oh, and Petrio, but he hated the rest of the team and was planning on betraying us from the start anyway. His player is running a decker now, and apparently enjoying it even more.

And he only has two hits out on him. Petrio was the source of a third, but he's dead.

assault

aggravated assault

Assaulting a police officer

destruction of public property

destruction of private property

destruction of corporate property

destruction of the property of the Empire of Japan

trespassing

being on corporate property without correct credentials

theft

arson

breaking and entering

selling stolen property

possessing false ID

kidnapping(unwilling extraction)

Aiding and abetting the breaking of a corporate indentiture (willing extraction)

Blackmail

impersonating a police officer/federal marshall/corporate official

carrying an illegal firearm (one's I couldn't get a permit for)

practicing magic without a licence (it's in the rules gang)

failing to obey posted speed limits (heck let's just say you could throw out the entire traffic book)

Conspiracy to commit all of the above

accomplice after the fact/before the fact to pretty much everything above.

There should be one conspicuously absent crime here. I never did wet work and never killed anyone who didn't shoot first-making my acts self defense.

I'm not sure that you get to claim "self defense" if you are breaking & entering a the time.

Not if I'm not holding a gun and they are. More to the ponit I've never had a character accept wet work.

Considering that mages can make someone's head explode with their minds, not having a gun doesn't really mean much these days.

While there's nuyen, there's life. While there's someone else's life but not yours, there's no hope for you.

~J

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You know, come to think of it, I never did take any wetwork jobs. I only killed the people that were trying to killed me first. I left payed assasinations to the other team members.
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I suppose that doesn't make up for that whole "Radiological Oopsy" though, does it >.>

Hell, I figure that it isn't cyberpunk unless most of society agrees.

Torture, Murder in the 1st and 2nd degrees, Depraved indifference, Agrivated Assault, kidnapping, Violating the 13th ammendment to the Constitution of the USA, Burgalry, Arson, Possession of Illegally Modified Cyberware, Money Laundering, Tax Evasion, Possession of Illegal firearms, Carrying a Concealed Weapon and one moving violation.