Anyone have an idea about the number and location/ownership of teh Delta Clinics out there? I know that not all of the Big Ten have them and that some have two (Or maybe three!), and there might be one-two out there that aren't part of the Megas ... Tir na Nog supposedly has one, Maria Mercurial was done up at an exclusive, but that was before grades of cyberware were introduced. There's also some of teh best of teh best in Switzerland, which may or may not be Delta and may or may not being owned by certain Megas.

Anyone have concrete info?

SoE mentions that at least one is located in Oslo, Norway.

As for who owns how many: not every AAA (or even AA) has his own delta clinic.

NeoNET has (or should have) Novatech's delta clinic that they inhereted from Fuchi out in the PCC somewhere.

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ahhh, it feels good to be able to use that again...

The game is purposefully vague on where all the Delta clinics actually are. But considering that there are a dozen delta clinics that can also provide cybermancy, it's an easy bet that there are many more than a dozen delta clinics world wide.

Confirmed Delta Clinic corporate owners:

• NeoNET
• Ares
• Shiawase
• Universal Omnitech
• S-K
• Aztechnology
• MCT

-Frank

easy answer: Theres a Delta clinic wherever the GM wants one, but it's gonna take a run or two in itself to get there and be let in to have any work done

Delta clinics are much less rare in 2070. Before, there was about half a dozen of them. Right now, I'm guessing every major power has one, maybe some have two or three. Not all of them have cybermancy capability however.

Mayhap the up and coming Augmentations book might shed some light on this subject?

Augmentation will have more info.

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Correct me if I'm misremmebering, but I recall something about Villier's new partners allowing a lot more people in to the NeoNet Delta clinic. I recall something about him getting pissed when he found out one of his old Fuchi enemies (Nakatomi IIRC) had a few of his guys upgraded there, and he couldn't do jack about it. So there is possibly at least one you can get in to jsut for having the nuyen to do so.

Heck, there are cybermancy clinics that work mercenary these days.

-Frank

If your runners somehow get the cash to actually have deltaware installed, I don't see a good reason to deny them.

Why do you need to go to a deltaware clinic?

Can't the ware in question be delivered to any major city?

Is installing deltaware that much more difficult then normal ware?
Even if it requires specialists. If your paying a couple million for deltaware I think the doctors can catch a flight.

Or the reverse and fly the PC out to have it instailed.

Kain, the reason you need a deltaware clinic is not merely the specialised doctors, but also simply the right equipment. You can't install deltaware in an alley with a needle and string. You need larger devices. You need the 'ware to be tailored to your body a bit (I can only assume that's part of how it's less invasive). And, really, delta clinics are big business for important people. Having enough money for the ware is not enough reason for the delta docs to pick up and come to you. Conceivably, they could pack up their gear and come to you, but that would cost an incredible amount of extra money to make it worth their while.

The important thing is to remembe rthat it's a Delta Clinic, not a Delta Doctor. Not only is there high end gear and the best surgeons that money can buy, but the facilities are top notch, the surgical gear is Beyond SOTA, and teh recovery areas are clean and pure. Fresh linens, physical rehab, psychologists on call to help you deal with the new bodyparts, specialists to ensure that every centimeter of teh new chrome is working to spec. NanoSculptors that make the sythnflesh so real that it can sweat, complete with teh scar you got when you fell off your bike when you were seven and that birthmark that you didn't think anybody knew about.

The physical checkup you get (Look! Teams of nurses! Holography! My bloodwork shows what?!) alone is more than most Runners ever see. There's way more to Deltaware than shinier chrome.

There also used to be extra mods to stuff based roughly on the skill of the surgeons and facitilites as I recal. I think you could even shave a little more off of your essence loss along with other little bennies. (and corresponding slaps if you go with Dr. Bob's quickstich I think).

Don't know if they'll be adding that back in. I kinda like it.

im with jaid, i'd figure, that the concept of deltaware was not just better chrome, but better doctors as well.

Agree with the Delta clinic not ware, nor doctor...


Tool kit ++ Tool Shop ++ Tool Facility +++++++++++++++++ Delta facility.


As to the old surgery rules shouldnt be that hard to convert them over to SR4.

I might work on doing a verision of them ... though probably will wait until Augementation (dont really think they will include surgery rules, but they might include things that need to be addressed ('essence holes', etc)

Surgery rules for Augmentation include time, surgery damage, and subsequently healing time. The old rules for having marginal modifiers of Essence costs are gone - and good riddance.

-Frank

Oddly, I really want to see info on "CyberDrek", the 'ware that's old, out of shape, and not exactly on its first user.

"Uhm. Bob? I appreciate the work and all, but this new arm?"

"Yeah?"

"It, uh ... says "Maude" on it."

*shrug* "You wanted fast, I gave you fast."

"... frag."

2nd hand cyberware is of course available in Augmentation. Like in previous editions, player characters will rarely want it for themselves.

-Frank

Hmm-hmm.

AT any rate, one big reason I wonder is to figure out how widely available the treatments are. If there's only a dozen Deltas out there, than just getting access to one is a HUGE reward for a PC. If, in contrast, there's a dozen just in Seattle, well, not so big of a deal, then, is it?

Helps keep teh game more realistic (ish) when those sorts of things are known ahead of time.

recisely. Although I think it's pretty clear that there are more than a dozen total delta clinics, that number could be very close to a dozen and stay in canon.

If the gamemaster doesn't want you finding a delta clinic, he's well within his rights to have one not get found.

-Frank

...so, there!

Delta Clinic Summary

How many exist?
Approximately ten worldwide. They are limited by personnel and funding, Not all the megacorps have one, since they don't all have medical holdings. There are independents but they have multiple financiers.

What service do they provide?
The absolute best medical service available. If you have the money they can provide any feasible medical service. Genetech, Nanotech, cyberware, bioware, and leonization; they do it all better than anyone else. They are also the only ones capable of maintaining the services they provide.

How do you get access to a delta clinic?
Own a multi-national conglomerate or have influence over 1 billion . Otherwise you'll need special exemption form a party with access. They do not do charity cases. Leave your thoughts of breaching there security back in your squat.

i think the director (or someone else high up) for one of those independant clinics is probably one of the few examples i can think of where a connection 6 contact isn't going to break the game entirely...

of course, the probability of the players ever having enough money for anything beyond the really cheap starting cost items (datajacks, implanted commlinks, etc) is pretty unlikely... certainly, if your team has enough to buy delta grade synaptic boosters 3, then you should be retiring as opposed to upgrading your ware...

what? no it isn't. the black funds that most organizations use to pay runners are untraceable. there's no way to tell where the money came from--only that it's money. a runner might need a voucher to get into the clinic, so that the clinic can be sure he's not an operative seeking to steal something or blow them up, but that's a different issue.

According to Man and Machine as of the 2060s 'the number of delta clinics has probably tripled in the past six years - from half a dozen to almost twenty' and the parties that controlled one or more included all of the Megas with the exceptions of Ares and Wuxing, the Tir na nOg government, Universal Omnitech, Transys Neuronet - apparently has enough staff to run two. Other AA rated corps that were trying to build their own but kept being foiled by the competition include corps such as Yakashima - through their subsidiary Biogene, Proteus AG and Phoenix Biotechnologies. A number of private independent operating clinics also operate, they include the ones in Vancouver, Istanbul, Chiba, Switzerland and London. Although no doubt they'd move around from city to city and country to country periodically to keep their security intact.

Now how this might have changed by the 2070s is the major question. These places are majorly high tech places so the Crash v2.0 could have caused them some serious troubles, although that is offset by the fact that they'd be highly defended and most likely strictly kept offline. After Ares gobbled up Cross they've definately picked up the capability. Likewise Wuxing taking over large swathes of the PPG would likely give them a major boost as well. Transys and Novatech joining together could make a scarily powerful competitor since they'd now have enough resources to man three of the things. Although that is supposing that they share and play nice together.

i agree that you need people to vouch for you, but i don't think it's because your money is illegal or stolen. if you get paid in the form of certified credsticks--and what runner doesn't?--then your money is explicitly not illegal--it's certified. it's directly linked to a bank that says "yes, this money is good no matter who spends it."

And that's the major point in SR4:
Deltaware has no availability modifier.
It's as hard to aquire as standard ware.

it is? oh good god.

...another hole in the road to fix via houserule.