Actually, your Initiate Grade cannot exceed your Magic, not your Magic x 2 (see p. 189). However, like Bloodzilla your maximum increases every time you increase your Magic. What this means is that eventually you can't buy a new grade until you buy up your magic (the reverse happens if you keep your magic maximized - you can't buy up your magic until you raise your grade).

That being said, I have no idea where you are getting the prices for your iniations. With a group and an ordeal, an initial initiation costs only 7 Karma, and you mysteriously have it listed as costing 11 (one more than it would cost with just one or the other)..

Grade 18, for example, would cost 863 Karma (5 for the group, 450 for the Magic, and 408 for the 18 grades). On 383 Karma you can purchase your way up to Grade 12.


-Frank

Rereading, your limit was 200 karma/character... so I'll tone it down a bit. He can get grade 12 for a mere 172 karma. Magic 6, grade 12. Give him all the shape spells, and hes good to go to get into the place too.

(10 + gradex3) * .6 rounded up. I was doing 10 + Grade instead. This gives instead the ability to go up to magic 8 grade 8 for a mere 188 karma.
Costs:

Ooh, spiffy. Thanks for clearing that up.

I've never participated in one of these 'hypothetical task' threads, but wouldn't it be easier to get riggers with those nifty microdrones (and packing a small poisoned needle in each) to infiltrate the bunker? No matter how water and airtight it's supposed to be, there's always a crack, air shaft, wire conduit, or water pipe access to something that's about roach size. Then the little drones fan out over the house (and of course the first one in would drag a line off a microskimmer that allows wireless entry into the bunker) and sting Magoo to death. If each drone has a fast-acting toxin that does one box of damage, once 12 drones are converged upon Magoo and each stings him... he dies. You then tell the drones to all climb down a drain or something.

If the idea of a physical line for a wireless antenna is disallowed, then I think even a tiny microdrone could grasp the logic of 'Find this target, wait until there are twelve of you, and then all jab him at once' should cover it.

If that fails, then repeat the process until another entry point is found, and then drive up a tanker truck, attach a nozzle to the hole, and fill the place with gas. Anything that will impair breathing, whatever. If you want to flood the place with neurostun or something more deadly, eventually he'll overdose.

No cracks for microdrones. Hermetically sealed means even gas can't get in.

Word on my shapechanging masking mage casting shape (dirt/concrete/etc) to kill him. Success?

If your rat can hack through a hermetically sealed bunker, bypass numerous secured, locked and heavily guarded checkpoints, and without arousing any suspicion you might stand a chance. Assuming Mr. Magoo also doesn't have any bodyguards with him when you make the attack, too, which will take a minimum of two attacks on your part to succeed (assuming you notice that he's not really dead when he HoGs your attack).

And considering that to turn into a Rat, your Body is pretty darn low, I seriously doubt you'll be able to take the counterattack by a single one of his Prime Runner guards without having to HoG yourself.

Vehicle of choice to carry the explosive packed payload is a Cement Truck, built heavy and can take a beating.

Vehicles are rigger controlled, first wave is 4 cement trucks loaded with 9 yards of AmFo (ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel) or in laymans terms 40,000 pounds of AmFo, that is 18 tons of explosive.

After the first wave has cleared the sight of non essential targets/structures, then the next trucks bring in the plastic explosive rating 15, which is then shaped into the correct configuration to drive the self forging warheads into the bunker. If no penetration, repeat wave of plastic explosives, remember this is 18 tons per truck.

Once the bunker has been penetrated, then you apply fuel air explosives to the interior to remove the security personnel. Would use a mix of propane and other ingridents (classified).

Once that is done, you flood the bunker with liquefied ammonia gas, removing any and all oxygen by displacing it. It is heavier than air. It also tends to cause skin issues and respiratory issues.

Then send in the rigger controlled drones to kill the MaGoo. Even wounding him renders his resistance to the ammonia gas null.

MaGoo is dead even with 7 edge,,several drones firing full auto, he will run out of edge soon.

This entire thread is freakin' ridiculous. The notion of a hermetically sealed uber-bunker combined with invalidating results if they are 'noisy' is just a big fat no go, no matter how lucky the guy is. Shit, the guy could have 1 edge and you'd still be able to rule damn near anything out.

You might as well just pay/mob mind/influcnce/drug/psychotropically black IC every scumbag, low-life, ganger, thug, pimp, whore, and genetically altered metarat in the city to go KILL MR. MAGOO and let them do all the work for you.

I figured that by 2070 there'd be an explosive with enough heat to pretty much vaporize any dirt caught in its blast, perhaps even more or less melting/blowing a hole to the bunker surface. If there's a steel plate in the way, then it's probably detectable, and could be burned through with another layer of thermite bombs. Pretty much nothing can survive the heat off of those. For that matter, using the various sensory systems available, you could likely find whatever method is used for getting into bunker, be it a tunnel, subway type system, etc., and launch a Sprite-guided missile of some variety along it. Several if necessary. That would be simpler, faster, and if the initial waves are thermite, the tunnel (probably) won't collapse on itself. Only the initial shearing attack by the stolen plane would be needed to "clean off" the majority of the mansion on top. At that point the building could be swarmed by various spirits, drones, gas, napalm, what have you.

Also, thanks for the Kewpie doll! I shall creepily wear it with pride...or something...

Also, while dust and so on might be hard to see through, with Thermal and Ultrasound imaging to back it up, and control in the hands of a Sprite, it should be fairly easy to hit the mark. I mean, the ground isn't going anywhere except away.

If it's hermetically sealed, there's a time limit on how much viable air the bunker has. If there's a septic system, the runners just have to wait as eventually, the gas buildup will vent into the bunker, and that's... just a gross way to die.

The second you say there's a vent on the septic system then there's no longer a hermetically sealed system and the microdrones or rat options totally work.

It doesn't matter what Mr. Magoo would do otherwise. This thread is after all clearly a mock-thread to Talia Inverno's kill-the-dragon-that-I-am-going-to-make-invincible-after-I-heard-your-tactics-how-to-kill-him-effectively-and-so-waste-your-time-all-thread.

Notify the authorities of Mr Magoo's death, or at least disappearance (since you can't prove his death), or hack his record to tag him as deceased.

How can anyone be sure he's really still alive inside this heavy bunker, after all?

Why breach the Bunker at all? Lets find where he connects to the outside world, either where his fresh air comes in (he has to get it somehow) or where his matrix connection goes out, and kill that. If we cut off his air supply, dead magoo. If we cut off his matrix, then magoo can't do anything.

In other words, this is a "Players versus the bunker" adventure. A good old fashioned breaking-and-entering-and-kill-the-guy-inside exercise. This thread is based on Talia's Dragon Challenge, but this exercise is trying to show that the dragon is irrelevant. You can have a blind senile crippled old man inside if you want, it's the bunker that's the bitch.

So Buster, response on my shapechanger is? Success?

First: Define an autocannon? Panther assault cannon thats mounted?

How to the guards know I breached it? The ward only alerts the creator if I break through it.
What team of shapechanging mages? This was just one. Easy enough on the autocannons, first, they're gonna have a hell of a time locking onto a rat, via sensors, and second, shape metal will fix them up real good real quick.

Back to Taratula's Symbolic Ritual Team of Doom, I'm going to say that the ward protects against the spellcasting, but (for now) not against the creation of the symbolic link. What were your stats for your team again (all standard runners each with 200 karma)? Remember your spellcasting test has a raw hit (not net hit) limit of the force of the spell, Edge can't bypass that limit, and the house rule is you can't stack bonuses to the spellcasting test from Aid Sorcery from spirits.

thats what the hacker is for. there are always some hints to be found.
what you ask of the team is going in blind and rely on luck? (well, would fit the theme)
To me this thread looks more like random GM fiat against everything you didn't prepare for

T12

What bunker?

And yes, it falls under the realm of "conventional explosives".

It's just a lot of them.


-np

The bunker is hermetically sealed, ok. But is it self sustainable also? Do people go in and out or is the staff locked inside too?

By the way, if it's totally sealed off, even from the Matrix, it means that Mr Magoo can't get any news from the outside world, nor can he send anything out (without opening the bunker).
So I keep thinking that you can fake his death and get away with it.

Another idea is to take a look at the medical data from Mr Magoo, spread the rumors of a recently discovered disease that could potentially affect Mr Magoo (he could have caught it before entering the bunker). With the medical data it won't be too hard to find something that might fit. Specify that magic can't find nor heal it and that the diagnosis requires testing with something that won't be found inside Mr Magoo's bunker.
If Mr Magoo is really paranoid, chances are he'll be afraid of this and will need someone from the outside to come inside or someone from inside to go outside and back, opening the bunker and a lot of opportunities.