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Mx
What i would wnat to know is have any of you fellow dumpshocker come up with any cyber suites of your of for your games and if yes then hat kind of suites.
Or have you made up stats for those suites only mentioned in AUG (like Renraku Digital Maestro,SpIn-X Olympian or Mitsuhama Spidersuite)

I'm asking becouse the selection in AUG is so limited, especially for starting characters. cyber.gif


edit: Damn you moonhawk embarrassed.gif ,hopefully some friendly mod can change it to query or what ever the plurar of that would be.
Angier
I'd say: Look at the cyberware adversaries feature in the BBB and make them into suites?
Ed_209a
My current GM had an interesting opinion on why so few of the cyber suites in AUG were really 'Runner friendly.

He said that shadowrunners are really a tiny market in the big scheme, and suites are terribly expensive to design. No one is going to take that much time and effort time to design a product for a market of only a few thousand customers.

Synner
Actually that's pretty much what Augmentation says.
ArkonC
So how would one go about making one's own?
Log+Cybertech, extended test, 1 per day or week, threshold 4+1 per item for basic, 8+2 for alpha and so on?
KCKitsune
QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Feb 29 2008, 08:35 AM) *
My current GM had an interesting opinion on why so few of the cyber suites in AUG were really 'Runner friendly.

He said that shadowrunners are really a tiny market in the big scheme, and suites are terribly expensive to design. No one is going to take that much time and effort time to design a product for a market of only a few thousand customers.


Why wouldn't there be a suite with only eyes and ears? I mean that market would be for everyone. Outdoors men, Joe Slot, accident victims, If you're fixing/upgrading your senses, those two areas would be the most popular.
Fortune
QUOTE (ArkonC)
So how would one go about making one's own?


You wouldn't. These are Corp produced using tried and true methods and synergistic parts for wide and legitimate markets.
Fortune
I would think there would be a lot of Suites including any number of different combinations of commlink, sim module, datajack, ears, eyes, attention co-processor, math SPU, and any other useful corporate-type stuff.

Environmental blue collor work packages would also be big.
ArkonC
QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 29 2008, 03:29 PM) *
You wouldn't. These are Corp produced using tried and true methods and synergistic parts for wide and legitimate markets.

All right then, let's assume I'm a scientist for the corp, how would I go about making one?
Log+Cybertech, extended test, 1 per day or week, threshold 4+1 per item for basic, 8+2 for alpha and so on?
Tycho
Ares Rig Commander:
- Commlink
- Sim Modul (Hot Sim)
- Orientation System
- Math SPU
- Control Rig
- Datenbuchse
- Reaction Enhancer 2

for all the Professional Vehicle Controllers in the Sixth World
(also available in Gold (Alpha) and Platinum (Beta) Edition)

cya
Tycho
Mx
QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Feb 29 2008, 03:35 PM) *
My current GM had an interesting opinion on why so few of the cyber suites in AUG were really 'Runner friendly.

He said that shadowrunners are really a tiny market in the big scheme, and suites are terribly expensive to design. No one is going to take that much time and effort time to design a product for a market of only a few thousand customers.


i didn't ask for suites desingned for runners(AUG explains pretty well why there aren't any) , many suites desingned for corporate world would prabably be useful for many kind of runners.
i for expample got Shiawase ExecutiveSuite Line for my trigger/hacker character

Tycho: what is Datenbuchse and what would be the Availability and cost (in nuyen and essence) for that suite
Moon-Hawk
First off, a quick /agree to everyone saying that these need to have mass market appeal. As I understand it, a cyberware suite can be though of as a single piece of 'ware which has the combined effects of 'bits of ware X, Y, and Z, with a cost (both essence and financial) of 0.9*(X+Y+Z). So it requires the same amount of R&D as any other bit of 'ware, so a character can't design one any more than they can design any other brand new bit of 'ware.

As for players (and GMs) designing them, there is obviously a strong temptation (on both sides of the table, don't forget GMs here) to simply put together all the 'ware you want for whatever character, call it a suite, and slap that sweet, sweet suite discount on it. In order to curb this, both for my players and myself, I have a rule. Put your suite together, and give a short writeup on what's in it, what it's for (something with at least moderate-market appeal), why it includes what it does, and perhaps why certain bits of 'ware aren't in it. You might claim this suite exists for a certain job so that you can justify it's existence because you want it for your character, but logic may demand that a suite designed for the expressed purpose include a bit of 'ware that your runner has no personal desire for.

I'm not talking about a lot of work here, by "short writeup" I mean about the length of the cyberware suite entries in Aug. If someone is willing to put that small amount of enrichment into my Shadowrun setting, and is willing to put that small amount of effort into thinking about the 6th world, they can have the suite discount. If they're not able to come up with a coherent writeup, then it was probably a munchy mish-mash of 'ware to begin with. Even if there are notes of power-gaming in there, as long as they've thought about it enough to come up with a logical justification for it, I'm perfectly happy giving the discount. The player has gained their small advantage (and feels really great about their massive victory), I realize that it's not a game-damaging difference, and that my players are involved and thinking about the game and my gameworld just got a tiny bit richer. It's win-win.

p.s. Regarding thread title: Query - a question. Quarry - an open mine where rocks or minerals are mined. Also, a person or animal who is being hunted.
Moon-Hawk
QUOTE (Mäx @ Feb 29 2008, 10:01 AM) *
Tycho: what is Datenbuchse and what would be the Availability and cost (in nuyen and essence) for that suite

I'm guessing datajack.
KCKitsune
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Feb 29 2008, 10:13 AM) *
...snip... Even if there are notes of power-gaming in there, as long as they've thought about it enough to come up with a logical justification for it, I'm perfectly happy giving the discount. The player has gained their small advantage (and feels really great about their massive victory), I realize that it's not a game-damaging difference, and that my players are involved and thinking about the game and my gameworld just got a tiny bit richer. It's win-win.


Could you post some of your suites here please?
Tycho
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Feb 29 2008, 11:14 AM) *
I'm guessing datajack.



yes, sorry left the german name...

don't have the costs right here, i have created it for my Rigger
Cost and Essence are according to Aug. ( 0,9*Cost and 0,9* Essence)

it depents a bit on what exactly you want to have:

with Hotsim the Availability is 12F (which makes it to a military only product)
without Hotsim the Availability is 10R (I think that is right for Security Personal an Professional Pilots/Drivers)

Essence and Cost(Military Version/Hotsim in brackets):
Standart Edition:
1,76 Essence
36225 nuyen.gif (38925 nuyen.gif )

Gold Edition:
1,37 Essence
72450 nuyen.gif (77850 nuyen.gif )

Platinum Edition:
1,17 Essence
144900 nuyen.gif (155700 nuyen.gif )


Crisp
QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 29 2008, 02:40 PM) *
I would think there would be a lot of Suites including any number of different combinations of commlink, sim module, datajack, ears, eyes, attention co-processor, math SPU, and any other useful corporate-type stuff.


First off I'd like to agree with this. We already have several examples in the book: Shiawase Exec, SK non-military Cyberlogician and even the SenseSation (said to be used by negotiators, etc). There would probably be lots of them like this. Things like eyes/ears, datajacks and commlinks are useful to nearly everyone.

One suite that I had to design after I read someone's comment about it here (sorry, don't remember who) is the "Cyberbody" suite. Basically, just what it says:

Cyberskull
Cybertorso
2 Cyberarms
2 Cyberlegs

Available in synthetic or obvious models, several grades.

Marketed mostly to transhumanist, it was designed by transhuman-friendly EVO corp.

Note that with the 10% Essence discount you can have this at chargen--YAY! (There is the issue of the skull's availability but I didn't see any hard rules on the availability of a cybersuite--if I missed it, where is it?--so I can set it at 12 or less).

Haven't designed any others yet.
Fortune
QUOTE (ArkonC @ Mar 1 2008, 01:46 AM) *
All right then, let's assume I'm a scientist for the corp, how would I go about making one?
Log+Cybertech, extended test, 1 per day or week, threshold 4+1 per item for basic, 8+2 for alpha and so on?

To design the blueprints for a Suite (which is basically what I think we are talking about), I would think would be something akin to Logic + Cybertech 40 (1 week). These don't come out of nowhere. They take quite a deal of study and teams of scientists to design.

To actually manufacture an already blueprinted design would at the very least take a facility and team of worker dudes.
Critias
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Feb 29 2008, 10:13 AM) *
p.s. Regarding thread title: Query - a question. Quarry - an open mine where rocks or minerals are mined. Also, a person or animal who is being hunted.

So, he's hunting for answers! grinbig.gif

The first step to cooking up your own "suite" has nothing to do with Logic tests or dice rolls or any math at all, really. The first step is talking to your GM, and saying "this is a bunch of stuff that I think ________ percentage of the population would be willing to buy, and this is why."

If you want to get the benefits of a fast food value meal by way of essence and nuyen cost, you've got to have a fast food value meal mass appeal going on.
Moon-Hawk
QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Feb 29 2008, 10:20 AM) *
Could you post some of your suites here please?

Just as soon as a player comes up with a suite they can actually justify. grinbig.gif
Seriously though, that's my rule. It hasn't actually seen a lot of use. That's largely because my main group was already going when Aug came out, that campaign ended, and we haven't started a new one yet. I would actually be willing to let a player ret-con some of their 'ware into a suite, since Aug hadn't been out when they'd made their characters, but there was really only one character who had a cyberware package that lent itself to that, and he didn't want to bother, as he only played occasionally anyway.

I find my rule to be more useful in the negative, than the positive. As in, I've caught myself with it many times, realizing that I was trying to make a suite to suit my purposes, even though it made no logical sense for it to exist other than my singular purpose.
Moon-Hawk
QUOTE (Crisp @ Feb 29 2008, 10:37 AM) *
One suite that I had to design after I read someone's comment about it here (sorry, don't remember who) is the "Cyberbody" suite. Basically, just what it says:

Cyberskull
Cybertorso
2 Cyberarms
2 Cyberlegs

Available in synthetic or obvious models, several grades.

Marketed mostly to transhumanist, it was designed by transhuman-friendly EVO corp.

Note that with the 10% Essence discount you can have this at chargen--YAY! (There is the issue of the skull's availability but I didn't see any hard rules on the availability of a cybersuite--if I missed it, where is it?--so I can set it at 12 or less).


I agree. That's a good example of something there might actually be a market for. However, like I was saying about why certain 'ware isn't in a suite, I would say that you need to add a bit more to it. For example, I just don't see a transhumanist getting a full cyberbody and not getting cybereyes, I think it should be part of the suite.

Since everyone interprets the cyberlimb attribute rules differently (as in, "wait, do I need to upgrade my head-strength? What about my torso-agility?") that makes it hard to come up with a version that anyone can use. And to make it attractive you really have to include at least a little limb-enhancement, or else what's the sales pitch? "Now, for only 120,000 nuyen.gif , you too can be completely average!" Well, I guess that is an improvement for a lot of people, but you really need to get those stats up to 5's or so to be really attractive. Fortunately, limb enhancements are dirt-cheap.

So depending on how you interpret cyberlimb attributes things will vary a bit, but you can actually get a full synthetic cyberbody with eyes (with low-light, flare comp, and a point of vision enhancement, because you want your customers to experience the improvement as much as possible, and we're very visual creatures), and ears, with an internal commlink and datajack (using capacity instead of essence, but you've got a lot of electronics and you need something to manage it all, and you'll need the datajack to run the knowsofts to properly maintain yourself at a basic level) for under 6 (5.985 by my count) essence at standard grade and under 120,000 nuyen.gif , exact price depending on how you interpret the limb enhancements to get yourself up to 5's. For a "perfect" body. There's a market for that. But it's not really the runner market. At least not at standard grade. Who knows how many people would go for that, but it is doable, and odds are a corporation would develop and try to market it. Maybe they'd sell a bunch, maybe only a few before abandoning the project, but it's a tempting enough idea to justify it's existence. And of course it could come in alpha and beta grades, but I would suggest that the alpha and beta versions probably come with better cybereyes and slightly higher attributes as standard features.

Now I haven't quite finished all the details, and I haven't done the clever write-up, and I won't ever use it until I do. That's my rule. But I will just as soon as I need a cool, different, non-combat NPC.

And don't worry about the availability, that only applies to PC chargen and black market, not legal purchases. It might well be lower, I could believe that the market for a full body replacement could actually be larger than the market for people who just want a replacement skull. grinbig.gif
Kanada Ten
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    Apple-Omega Eyepod Imagelink
    + Apple-Omega EvilI Eyemod
    Evo Immaculate Touchlink
    Horizon Cherry 2000 Olfactory Booster (1)
    Horizon Cherry 2000 Taste Booster (1)
    NeoNET Thirdeye Attention Coprocessor (1)
    Renraku RS232 Datajack
    Shiawase Ichida Sim Module
    SpinX Mastermix Soundlink
Includes a year subscription to Horizon Studio's newest thriller ARE: The Reservation, along with hundreds of demos from the hottest providers on the market. Extra smooth RAS overdrive powered by TrumanTech.

(Neophyte) 1.17 Essence - 8 Availability - 9,225
(Conception) 0.94 Essence - 8 Availability - 18,450

[ Spoiler ]
Moon-Hawk
Nice. The attention co-processor was a particularly thoughtful addition.
Ryu
Integration is easy and economically more feasible if the parts lend themselves to integration. Superior product values are a requirement in many small, high price markets. So I do see suites tailored to high-end bodyguards, or high-end Secret Service operatives; with corresponding difficulty to get them of course.

I have more problems with suites that combine very different ware for one purpose, than with char-specific suites that are actually sensible from the contents. A small rebate for cyberware is very appropiate anyway.
Feshy
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Feb 29 2008, 11:12 AM) *
I agree. That's a good example of something there might actually be a market for. However, like I was saying about why certain 'ware isn't in a suite, I would say that you need to add a bit more to it. For example, I just don't see a transhumanist getting a full cyberbody and not getting cybereyes, I think it should be part of the suite.

Since everyone interprets the cyberlimb attribute rules differently (as in, "wait, do I need to upgrade my head-strength? What about my torso-agility?") that makes it hard to come up with a version that anyone can use. And to make it attractive you really have to include at least a little limb-enhancement, or else what's the sales pitch? "Now, for only 120,000 nuyen.gif , you too can be completely average!" Well, I guess that is an improvement for a lot of people, but you really need to get those stats up to 5's or so to be really attractive. Fortunately, limb enhancements are dirt-cheap.

So depending on how you interpret cyberlimb attributes things will vary a bit, but you can actually get a full synthetic cyberbody with eyes (with low-light, flare comp, and a point of vision enhancement, because you want your customers to experience the improvement as much as possible, and we're very visual creatures), and ears, with an internal commlink and datajack (using capacity instead of essence, but you've got a lot of electronics and you need something to manage it all, and you'll need the datajack to run the knowsofts to properly maintain yourself at a basic level) for under 6 (5.985 by my count) essence at standard grade and under 120,000 nuyen.gif , exact price depending on how you interpret the limb enhancements to get yourself up to 5's. For a "perfect" body. There's a market for that. But it's not really the runner market. At least not at standard grade. Who knows how many people would go for that, but it is doable, and odds are a corporation would develop and try to market it. Maybe they'd sell a bunch, maybe only a few before abandoning the project, but it's a tempting enough idea to justify it's existence. And of course it could come in alpha and beta grades, but I would suggest that the alpha and beta versions probably come with better cybereyes and slightly higher attributes as standard features.

Now I haven't quite finished all the details, and I haven't done the clever write-up, and I won't ever use it until I do. That's my rule. But I will just as soon as I need a cool, different, non-combat NPC.

And don't worry about the availability, that only applies to PC chargen and black market, not legal purchases. It might well be lower, I could believe that the market for a full body replacement could actually be larger than the market for people who just want a replacement skull. grinbig.gif


I also made a similar suite for a character. Except, I went with a more expensive and used Customized Attributes to get the stats up. I figure if there's a market for Transhumanists (or maybe just the sickly and old) there is probably also a high end market for them as well. It also leaves the way open for some very unusual back stories. Board member retires without implementing the company changes the mafia demanded when they made a certain loan years ago, they take his wife. The lackies he hires to get her back fail, so he blows his retirement on a kick-ass body and comes after them himself...

I also ran into the problem of what to do about torso / skull enhancements. The problem is compounded with Customized Attributes, too, because the torso and skull already have very high availabilities.

I like your idea that a full body replacement market might be bigger than just a skull replacement -- I may try that with the GM and see how far I get. wink.gif
Crisp
QUOTE (Feshy @ Feb 29 2008, 04:57 PM) *
I also made a similar suite for a character.

(...)

I like your idea that a full body replacement market might be bigger than just a skull replacement -- I may try that with the GM and see how far I get. wink.gif


If you posted something about it here it might well be you I got the idea from, I really can't recall.

And I agree that the market for full-body mods would probably be larger than for single cyberskulls.


@Moon-Hawk: what you mention about cybereyes and ears is ture. If I were to get this for a PC of mine I really don't see myself not getting cybereyes/ears to go along with it. But in the suite I went for the "bare bones" approach. Also, I think the eyes and ears, at least if high-grade would push the basic-grade suit above six points of Essence--not good.

I also thought about limbs enhancements and customization, optimization, etc. I figured it was simply too much trouble trying to account for all possible variations at this stage. I decided I'd deal with that if it ever became necessary.

That said, the basic limb enhancements in the BBB I consider that they are after-market add-ons. I figure you can go to your street doc and get Agility Enhancement +3 at any time, as long as you have the capacity for it. Just like you could go and improve your arm with a built-in gyromount years after getting the arm itself. That's just how I see it, YMMV.

Customization/Optimization has, IMHO, to be set from the moment you get the arm, so that's more complicated.

As for whether cyberskulls and cybertorsos need their own stats, I think that they both need them but they are only relevant in fairly rare occasions. The only time I can think off when you're cyberskull's Strength would matter would be if you were head butting someone. It's not something that I'll be thinking too much about.

EDIT: Just had a sudden brainstorm! You could avoid a lot of trouble with your limbs by making them modular. Then you could get whatever mods you wanted for your arms. Heck, you could have a whole wardrobe filled with different limbs for different occasions: the one with the gyro is for shooting, the one with extra strength and the spurs is for melee, etc...
Tobias
QUOTE (Crisp @ Feb 29 2008, 01:24 PM) *
(...)
EDIT: Just had a sudden brainstorm! You could avoid a lot of trouble with your limbs by making them modular. Then you could get whatever mods you wanted for your arms. Heck, you could have a whole wardrobe filled with different limbs for different occasions: the one with the gyro is for shooting, the one with extra strength and the spurs is for melee, etc...


That would be cool, but you'd have to have them DNI only or that pesky hacker could really mess you up by deattaching your arms and legs.
Feshy
Here's a random one that occurred to me:

EVO Orbital Ace:
EVO Stand Tall Synthetic foot replacements (2x)
EVO Hold Tight Magnetic Systems (2x)
EVO Lifewatch Biomonitor
EVO TruDose Auto-Injector (Reusable, 6 doses)
EVO Safe Flight Gastric Neurostimulator
EVO AgIlE Grip Feet
EVO ClearVis Cybereyes Rating 2 w/ Flare Compensation, Eye laser w/ Range Finder, Vision Magnification, Low-Light
EVO CatFall Balance augmenter
EVO Silence is Golden Select Sound Filter 2

(Alphaware) nuyen.gif 65,520, 0.84 Essence
(Betaware) nuyen.gif 131,040, 0.72 Essence

Your orbital workers are valuable. Give them the tools they need to get the job done with the EVO Orbital Ace package. It includes a patented foot system that will give your jacks grip and mobility on almost any surface. Combined with the EVO CatFall system, your workers will always have the balance needed to operate effectively in low gravity. Included in the feet is our top of the line biomonitor, which watches for signs of long term low-gravity exposure and administers the appropriate medication. It also keeps track of all other vital signs and alerts your station's medical team if an emergency arises. The medical system also completely prevents queasiness; a potentially life-threatening condition in space. Our cybereye system cuts out harmful UV exposure, as well as providing light amplification for work on the dark side. It also provides communication redundancy in the form of an eye laser. No matter what problem may strike, as long as your workers can get line of sight to your orbital installation, they can communicate. Lastly, the package is rounded out with a sound filter -- our studies show a 37% increase in moral when workers can block out the drone of life support and power systems.



Kanada Ten
I really think some of these Suites should come with IC and other software packages. Make them "system specific" like pilots, and the cost reduction isn't much of an issue.
Feshy
QUOTE
EDIT: Just had a sudden brainstorm! You could avoid a lot of trouble with your limbs by making them modular. Then you could get whatever mods you wanted for your arms. Heck, you could have a whole wardrobe filled with different limbs for different occasions: the one with the gyro is for shooting, the one with extra strength and the spurs is for melee, etc...


I had this thought as well, but it seemed to go against the concept of a cybersuite. It's hard to have a highly integrated, redundancy-reduced system of a torso plus whatever you happen to attach to some stumps.

QUOTE
That said, the basic limb enhancements in the BBB I consider that they are after-market add-ons. I figure you can go to your street doc and get Agility Enhancement +3 at any time, as long as you have the capacity for it. Just like you could go and improve your arm with a built-in gyromount years after getting the arm itself. That's just how I see it, YMMV.


That's how I feel about it too.
Earlydawn
A couple of ideas:
  • Underwater / SCUBA Suite with Internal Air Tank, Ultrasound System, Cybergills, and an Implanted Biomonitor to talk to the Dive Computer. Cybereyes with low-light and retinal covers - no goggles!
  • Lawyer package including an implanted Comlink, Data Lock for sensitive documents, plus Image Link and Eye Recording Unit in his biological eyes, and an Ear Recording Unit in his biological ears to allow for post-trial review and strategizing.
  • Stock Broker package. Implanted Comlink (HIGH Response), Math Coprocessor, and Attention Coprocessor. (Talking on the phone and watching the boards!)
  • Parkour package including high agility limbs, Retractable Climbing Claws, Balance Augmenter in the Biological Ear, and possibly even Hydraulic Jacks.

Crisp
QUOTE (Feshy @ Feb 29 2008, 05:56 PM) *
I had this thought as well, but it seemed to go against the concept of a cybersuite. It's hard to have a highly integrated, redundancy-reduced system of a torso plus whatever you happen to attach to some stumps.

True. Then again, you could say the Essence cost is due only to "shoulder mount" itself. After all, getting a new modular limb costs you nothing but nuyen.

But like I said before, this is the barebones idea. If I were to actually use it in a game I'd flesh it out more. But I haven't played in such a long time... frown.gif

@Feshy: very cool, your Orbital suite.

@Earlydawn: some nice ideas, I particularly like the underwater suite.

Keep'em coming people!
Ryu
QUOTE (Feshy @ Feb 29 2008, 06:56 PM) *
I had this thought as well, but it seemed to go against the concept of a cybersuite. It's hard to have a highly integrated, redundancy-reduced system of a torso plus whatever you happen to attach to some stumps.


You could write down the reduction to ease-of-connection in this case. A cyberlimb should cost less if it is connected to another cyberlimb. Stop dealing with those low-quality natural muscles, an the joint can be build much easier.
Kanada Ten
Puppet Package
    Evo Natureswell Breast Implants (pair)
    MCT Jive Walker Skillwires (1)
    MCT Jive Walker Voice Modulator
    MCT Liquidskin Full-Body Nanotattoo (3)
    MetaType Gakuto Simrig (Hot Modified)
    Renraku Freedom Machine Datafilter
    Shiawase Purusu Biomonitor
    +Shiawase Purity Auto-Injector (Zeta-Chem's Moment After Pill)
Utilizing MCT's patented MindGraft technology, owners can download personfix and skillsofts (along with nanotattoo, language and voice modulation specifications) directly to the MetaType Gakuto's processor, allowing for real-time puppeteering.

(Sublime) 1.34 Essence - 12F Availability - 28,170¥
(Communion) 1.61 Essence - 11F Availability - 14,085¥

[ Spoiler ]
Feshy
QUOTE (Ryu @ Feb 29 2008, 01:32 PM) *
You could write down the reduction to ease-of-connection in this case. A cyberlimb should cost less if it is connected to another cyberlimb. Stop dealing with those low-quality natural muscles, an the joint can be build much easier.


I like that idea, it could work.

QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Feb 29 2008, 01:42 PM) *
Puppet Package
    Evo Natureswell Breast Implants (pair)
    MCT Jive Walker Skillwires (1)
    MCT Jive Walker Voice Modulator
    MCT Liquidskin Full-Body Nanotattoo (3)
    MetaType Gakuto Simrig (Hot Modified)
    Renraku Freedom Machine Datafilter
    Shiawase Purusu Biomonitor
    +Shiawase Purity Auto-Injector (Zeta-Chem's Moment After Pill)
Utilizing MCT's patented MindGraft technology, owners can download personfix and skillsofts (along with nanotattoo, language and voice modulation specifications) directly to the MetaType Gakuto's processor, allowing for real-time puppeteering.

(Sublime) 1.34 Essence - 12F Availability - 28,170¥
(Communion) 1.61 Essence - 11F Availability - 14,085¥

What is the simrig for? Recording the experience as a side biz in porn or blackmail? (That's a bit scary, with the data filter. Everyone in the world can know what it's like to be you except you...)

Hey, maybe you could add fiberoptic hair, or something similar, to change hair color too. Would fit with the theme...
Kanada Ten
QUOTE (Feshy @ Feb 29 2008, 12:58 PM) *
What is the simrig for? Recording the experience as a side biz in porn or blackmail? (That's a bit scary, with the data filter. Everyone in the world can know what it's like to be you except you...)
Porn and "feedback" for clients who want to feel what it's like to go fuck themselves. Even for clients who want to buy the porn, like buying your picture after a roller-coaster ride.

QUOTE (Feshy @ Feb 29 2008, 12:58 PM) *
Hey, maybe you could add fiberoptic hair, or something similar, to change hair color too. Would fit with the theme...
I thought about, but there's something about the feel of real hair between your fingers that fiber optic just can't quite match, despite the hype.
KCKitsune
QUOTE (Feshy @ Feb 29 2008, 12:50 PM) *
EVO ClearVis Cybereyes Rating 2 w/ Flare Compensation, Eye laser w/ Range Finder, Vision Magnification, Low-Light

...snip...

It also provides communication redundancy in the form of an eye laser. No matter what problem may strike, as long as your workers can get line of sight to your orbital installation, they can communicate. ...snip...[/i]



Would the eye laser go though the face plate of the space suit? If it can't then maybe you would want to add a datajack, and replace the eye laser with a vision enhancement (2) to make sure they see better.
Feshy
QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Feb 29 2008, 02:14 PM) *
Porn and "feedback" for clients who want to feel what it's like to go fuck themselves. Even for clients who want to buy the porn, like buying your picture after a roller-coaster ride.

I thought about, but there's something about the feel of real hair between your fingers that fiber optic just can't quite match, despite the hype.


I suspected that was the reason why it was left off, that's why I added a half-hearted "or something" to the end. There really should be color-changing hair, even if it's a nanocyber system. Maybe something related to nanotatoos.

Good call on the full-body nanotatoo, that's something I would have forgotten to add.

QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Feb 29 2008, 04:12 PM) *
Would the eye laser go though the face plate of the space suit? If it can't then maybe you would want to add a datajack, and replace the eye laser with a vision enhancement (2) to make sure they see better.


I have no idea. If I where to guess (and it really is just that), I would have to say yes. The reason is that the eye laser communication is probably infra-red, and the faceplates of shadowrun would probably be transparent to infrared so as not to hamper the dwarves and trolls.

I think nearly every cyber suite would benefit from a datajack; yet I almost never include one for some reason.
Eyeless Blond
Well frankly everyone who would have the money or influence to warrant a cybersuite would probably already have a datajack implanted by the time they turned 18, or even younger.
Kanada Ten
NeoNET Novatrader Cybersuites
    The Shareholder Ex (0.99 Essence / 9 Availability / 43,700¥)
      Evo EZ iWare Imagelink
      Mitsuhama E!ffect Attention Coprocessor (1)
      Renraku Algebraist Math SPU
      Sony Clouseau Eye Recording Unit
      Cyberdynamics Fleshmeld Synthetic Lower Arm
      + Erika P3.11 Datajack
      + Erika Godsend Commlink
      + Universal Omnitech Cybergen Nanohive (1)
      Horizon Prescient Systems Recall (2)

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    The Raider Ex (1.67 Essence / 10 Availability / 86,950¥)
      Evo EZ iWare Imagelink
      Mitsuhama E!fficient Attention Coprocessor (2)
      NeoNET Braingate Encephalon (1)
      Renraku Algebraist Math SPU
      Sony Clouseau Eye Recording Unit
      Cyberdynamics Fleshmeld Synthetic Lower Arm
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      + Erika Godsend Commlink
      + Universal Omnitech Mushida Nanohive (2)
      Horizon Prescient Systems Recall (2)
      Horizon Ubiquity Systems Neocortical (1)

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    The Chairman Ex (1.88 Essence / 10 Availability / 250,300¥ Alphaware)
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      NeoNET Limbotica Encephalon (2)
      Renraku Algebraist Math SPU
      Sony Clouseau Eye Recording Unit
      Transys Emdachot Attention Coprocessor (3)
      Cyberdynamics Fleshmeld Synthetic Lower Arm
      + Erika P3.11 Datajack
      + Erika Godsend Commlink
      + Universal Omnitech Mushida Nanohive (2)
      Horizon Prescient Systems Recall (2)
      Horizon Ubiquity Systems Neocortical (1)

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The Horizon Racer-X
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    Mistuhama Jikisan Hatamoto Control Rig Booster (3)
    NeoNET Thirdeye Attention Coprocessor (1)
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Lyonheart
Well I see no reason why military users would not want the full integration, and that could be of use to runners. Ares Cybertank anyone?
Kanada Ten
Ferrari Sprawldancer Cybersuites (Similar Cybersuites: SpIn Citichaser, Shiawase Transtrasher)

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    SpIn N-Zone Cinquin Spatial Recognizer
    Cyberdynamics Gravatis Balance Augmenter
    Ferrari L-19 Sprinter Synthetic Full Leg (6 Agility)
    + Universal Omnitech Solosatsh Compartment
    + Universal Omnitech 300cc Auto-Injector (Reusable)
    Ferrari L-19 Sprinter Synthetic Full Leg (6 Agility)
    + Universal Omnitech Cybergen Nanohive (1)
    Universal Omnitech Quicksilver Oxyrush (3)
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    Renraku Kryptobham Datalock
    Apple-Omega Green Lantern Low-Light Vision
    SpIn N-Zone Quadpro Orientation System
    SpIn N-Zone Cinquin Spatial Recognizer
    Cyberdynamics Gravatis Balance Augmenter
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    Ferrari L-19 Sprinter Synthetic Full Leg (6 Agility)
    + Universal Omnitech Solosatsh Compartment
    + Universal Omnitech 300cc Auto-Injector (Reusable)
    Ferrari L-19 Sprinter Synthetic Full Leg (6 Agility)
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Kanada Ten
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    Renraku 360 Orientation System
    Vogotron Cyclonoclopse Eyeband (1)
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    + Zeiss Uhu-15c Recording Unit
    + TrumanTech Glareproof Flare Compensation
    + ACT Pearlescent Image Link
    + Sony Insight XS Vision Enhancement (1)
    Audiotek Shivasieve Select Sound Filter (1)
    Audiotek Crystal Clear 17.1a Audio Enhancement (1)
    Cyberdynamics BoFA Internal Air Tank
    Vogotron I Can't Believe It's Not Chrome Modual Cyberfoot (pair)
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    Renraku 360 Orientation System
    Vogotron Cyclonoclopse Eyeband (1)
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    + Zeiss Uhu-15c Recording Unit
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    + ACT Pearlescent Image Link
    + Sony Insight XS Vision Enhancement (1)
    Audiotek Shivasieve Select Sound Filter (1)
    Audiotek Crystal Clear 17.1a Audio Enhancement (1)
    Cyberdynamics BoFA Internal Air Tank
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    + Vogotron Airwalk Skimmer Discs Plug-Ins (pair)
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Anythingforenoughnuyen
No market for Cyberware suites useful to runners?

Every corporate, government, and private security force in Shadowrun is in the market for the latest weapon systems, and Cyberware is definitely at the forefront of the latest weapon systems. There would be as much, or more of, a market for combat orientated cybersuites than there would be for any other advanced weapon system. Think not just about the criminals of the future, but try to imagine the Secrete Service, Special Operations Forces, SWAT teams, and Field Officers for covert services without a serious investment in Cyberware (unless, of course, they have magic). In fact, there would probably be more of a market for combat cybersuites than for any other type.

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Kanada Ten
While I think there would be a market for combat cybersuites, it would not be the biggest market, or even a "big" market compared with entertainment and cosmetic cyber. Just in terms of percentage of combatants to executives would mean millions more cybersuites directed at managers, receptionists, salespeople, and so on. But yeah, plenty of cybersuites for combat optimization, too.
InfinityzeN
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Kanada Ten
Spinrad TeenDream Cybersuite

    SpIn Beachbody Body Scultping
    SpIn Quarterback Muscle Replacement (1)
    Cyberdynamics Fleshmeld Penile Implant
    +Cyberdynamics Smoothride Cybergland
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Fyndhal
The thing to remember about cyber suites is that they are similar to the "all in one" printer/scanner/fax/etc machines that have been on the market for the last few years. They are possible because they use various parts in multiple capacities.

In game terms, glitches involving one part of a suite should have a chance of causing effects related to other aspects of the suite. A critical glitch might cause a cascade failure of all related systems one that one specific chip that ties it all together fails.
Kanada Ten
QUOTE (Fyndhal @ Feb 17 2009, 05:12 PM) *
In game terms, glitches involving one part of a suite should have a chance of causing effects related to other aspects of the suite. A critical glitch might cause a cascade failure of all related systems one that one specific chip that ties it all together fails.

Pulling a muscle makes my bicep deflate and means I can't maintain an erection? Hilarious, and great fluff. But game effects... Have you had experience with overpowered cybersuites?
InfinityzeN
Well the one I put together maxed out with everything cost 845,230¥ so I don't see any players getting it anytime soon.
ElFenrir
I don't have it on me at the moment(I'll look in one of my notebooks for all the details), but I had came up with one that was used for cyber-baseball, that could also be used with runners who liked Clubs or Throwing(they had two variants; ''Pitcher'' and ''Hitter''), utilizing the optimized arms(the hitting for one, throwing for the other), I think a level of muscle replacement, a reaction enhancer, and something else. But they were basically designed as something for the cyber-sports folks so they had a market, but runners could also find some use for them, as well.
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