The Jake
Dec 25 2003, 12:24 AM
It could be something you have custom designed in game or imported from another.
Like porting Mr. Studd sexual implants from Cyberpunk 2020.
- J.
Kagetenshi
Dec 25 2003, 01:14 AM
Dunno, but I want it to have come from Deus.
~J
The Jake
Dec 25 2003, 01:31 AM
How many MPs of data would it take to store Deus in a human head?
- J.
Kagetenshi
Dec 25 2003, 01:38 AM
Deus apparently knows.
~J
Yum Donuts
Dec 25 2003, 01:48 AM
DNI. as a biomedical engineer, I can build anything given that
3Threes
Dec 25 2003, 01:50 AM
if you are including bioware then the best would be a non-house-ruled mnemonic enhancer $$
go get those quadruple bachelors degrees in half the time!
Joker9125
Dec 25 2003, 01:52 AM
time for yet another stupid noob question by Joker who is Deus.
Lilt
Dec 25 2003, 01:56 AM
QUOTE (Joker9125) |
time for yet another stupid noob question by Joker who is Deus. |
Big AI, ran the Renraku arcology, made bad stuff happen, was destroyed, well: maybe.
Kagetenshi
Dec 25 2003, 01:56 AM
If you happen to live in a certain Renraku building, he is your new God as of December 2058. If not, well, I'll leave that little tidbit of information for your GM to reveal as he/she sees fit

~J
Ancient History
Dec 25 2003, 02:16 AM
Mr. Studd ™
'cause a chemical gland producing viagra just doesn't work.
The Jake
Dec 25 2003, 02:17 AM
There needs to be a better way of storing data. GPs of data, not MPs.
DNI is a good one. Some sort of interface for AIs direct into the human mind would be nice.... a way to use your organic brain for storing data instead of seperate storage would be nice.....
- J.
Rock-Steady
Dec 25 2003, 02:24 AM
QUOTE (The Jake @ Dec 25 2003, 01:31 AM) |
How many MPs of data would it take to store Deus in a human head?
- J. |
At least 1731150 MP......
To topic:
I'm waitin' for the real Full-Body-Replacements.....
Ancient History
Dec 25 2003, 02:34 AM
Really? I've got the minium down at something over 50,000Mp.
Rock-Steady
Dec 25 2003, 02:39 AM
*g*
Ok here the way i calculated it:
First all White Banded have at least 150 mp of memory (RA:S Page 83).
In Threats 2 "The Network" the node has the binary number 10110100010101 (thats 11541 in decimal).
Now multiply 11541 with 150 MP and you got at least 1731150 MP.
Et vóila.
Userlimit
Dec 25 2003, 02:44 AM
Just a simple datajack (along with the matrix coming into existence). And a Fairlight, just because.
Ancient History
Dec 25 2003, 02:47 AM
Okay, I was just going by the "Mousetrap" Deus was supposed to be caught in: soemthing over 25,000Mp with a Compressor utility.
Kagetenshi
Dec 25 2003, 02:47 AM
That only applies if the numbering system starts from 1, and if the entire numeric block is a single number. For instance, it's entirely possible that that number really means Division 5 (101), Group 5 (101), Node 21 (00010101).
~J
nezumi
Dec 25 2003, 03:37 PM
I was GOING to agree with Ancient History (I mean come on, a jack and a deck probably isn't even compatible with the internet of today... this at least is useful on a daily basis.)
But then I thought I'd prefer the giant, chromed cyberarm. Funny, I don't like tattoos or piercings because I'm a strong beleiver in the wholistic value of the body, but I don't think I could resist having a supercool cyberarm with all the neat, built in toys like a wireless laptop connection, a hand toolkit and the internal AK-98.
Tanka
Dec 25 2003, 03:46 PM
Why an AK-98 when you could use a shotgun? Makes for interesting table conversation and you can easily wave-kill somebody in a fight!
"Hi there!" *wave, blast*
"H--Frag!" *die*
Liquid_Obsidian
Dec 25 2003, 04:27 PM
Ghost suit skin ...definitely....
Cray74
Dec 25 2003, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (The Jake) |
It could be something you have custom designed in game or imported from another.
Like porting Mr. Studd sexual implants from Cyberpunk 2020.
- J. |
Actually, there's quite a bit of bioware in C2020 I think is pretty cool, like the distributed heart and that lifesaver nanoweave.
Speaking of cyberware alone...the full body replacement. And the removable bio-pod feature. The "cybertorso" of SR just leaves too much meat, all those original organs in a reinforced shell. Me, I want full borg conversions.
Spookymonster
Dec 25 2003, 05:53 PM
Chipjacks and skillsofts, definitely. To instantly know any language? To have the library of Congress at my fingertips?
To have Asia Carrera's 'Lord of the @#$% Rings' in full PolyPOV jacked straight into my skull?!?!? Yeah, that's the baby I'm savin' my Essence for this Christmas...
hobgoblin
Dec 25 2003, 06:28 PM
hey rock-steady, that nick made me think of turtles
Rock-Steady
Dec 25 2003, 10:43 PM
QUOTE (hobgoblin) |
hey rock-steady, that nick made me think of turtles |
Fresno Bob
Dec 25 2003, 10:48 PM
Bebop and Rocksteady were awesome. I had a Rocksteady action figure, with auto punching action. It was cool. In any case, I'd probably get a cyberarm, with a bunch of strength enhancements, so I can crush the skulls of my enemies. I'd probably also get it with some pointy studs on it. Man that would rule. And a cybershotgun. Man that would also rule.
Zolhex
Dec 25 2003, 11:11 PM
Ok how about the cyberheart that was introduced (sorta) in the genesis console game. Or other cyber versions of the orgins needed to sustain life. We can rebuild him faster, stronger, better than before

. How about a cyber brain or at the least a way to just download knowledge (I.E. Matrix Tank I need a ____ Program) and bam you got it and know it priod.
Another thing what about better cyberware Gamma Grade.

Fully cybered (arms, legs, body, skull) in less than 2 essance.
Moonstone Spider
Dec 26 2003, 12:43 AM
Cyberwings.
Seriously, Leonardo da Vinci came up with an effective wing mechanism for human flight, only it requires muscles stronger than any human has. With cyber augmentation a set of deployable wings made of some lightweight alloy tubing plus ballistic cloth should be possible in the SR universe. They'd probably require a cybertorso for the huge torque needed to lift off, have a wingspan of perhaps 5-7 meters, and have a rating to determine how much weight, above the weight of the user, they could carry. Flight would be an active skill probably linked to body. I'd put the essence at similar to any other cyberlimb, perhaps a bit high, like 1.25 per wing. They'd always be obvious and socially disturbing, be incompatible with a balance tail (Because a stabilizer has to deploy there) and give the player a movement rate of x6 when flying.
Tanka
Dec 26 2003, 01:59 AM
QUOTE (E.O.T.L.F.) |
Another thing what about better cyberware Gamma Grade. Fully cybered (arms, legs, body, skull) in less than 2 essance. |
Technically speaking... It should go Alpha, Beta, Gamma, then Delta. But nooo, FASA has to be goofy and do the Greek alphabet wrong.
Maybe Gamma was at one time existant, but nobody cared about it because it sucked. Or FASA probably just goofed up big time.
My guess is on the latter.
Game2BHappy
Dec 26 2003, 02:11 AM
QUOTE (The Jake) |
Name one piece of cyberware you wish existed...., but hasn't been made yet for SR! |
The SmartBall link mentioned in Shadowbeat.
Kagetenshi
Dec 26 2003, 02:12 AM
No one said gamma has to be better than delta. It probably doesn't sell very well anyway, as anyone with enough cash will go all the way, so it makes sense that it wouldn't exist. Like the G4 Cube. Filled a narrow market segment between two extremes.
~J
Tanka
Dec 26 2003, 02:14 AM
It probably would've merited mention, though, had it ever existed. I mean, you can't just skip over it entirely in a book dedicated just to new Cyberware and Cybermancy (Cybertechnology). My guess is FASA just botched their "I'm not an idiot" check.
Kagetenshi
Dec 26 2003, 02:24 AM
Or maybe they just wanted four levels, didn't want to rename basic to alpha, and delta sounds cooler than gamma.
~J
Fortune
Dec 26 2003, 02:31 AM
When it was first conceived, Gamma-grade cyberware was designated by the Corporate Court as being restricted to Critter and Paracritter experimentation.
Sure it's bullshit, but it works.
Tanka
Dec 26 2003, 02:32 AM
Who says Street Doc A obeys Corp Court?
Fortune
Dec 26 2003, 02:35 AM
QUOTE (tanka @ Dec 26 2003, 01:32 PM) |
Who says Street Doc A obeys Corp Court? |
Street Doc A doesn't actually create (and hence name) the Cyber he installs. He gets it from Megacorp Y, who does follow the Corporate Court.
Tanka
Dec 26 2003, 02:41 AM
Street Doc A could create his own 'ware. You can buy the stuff to do so, it's just gonna take out his wallet for years down the road.
Fortune
Dec 26 2003, 02:49 AM
While this is true, it isn't likely to be a better grade than Standard cyberware. He
might be able to construct Alpha-ware, and if you really push it, maybe even Beta, but for anything equivalent to the next grade up from that, it is highly unlikely. Even if he does somehow accomplish it, he would make himself a nice, valid target for any headhunting Corp.
Besides, I like my answer.
Tanka
Dec 26 2003, 02:51 AM
Of course you do.

Besides, to do Delta, you have to make it just for that person. So it can be done, it would just take quite a while to finish.
Fortune
Dec 26 2003, 02:55 AM
To do Beta, it has to be at least partially created for that person.
I admit it could be done, but it isn't very likely. If the doc was that interested in creating uber-experimental cyberware, there are lots of other avenues he could, and most probably would follow.
And, like I said, if he was to be successful, he wouldn't be an independent Street Doc for long.
Zolhex
Dec 26 2003, 02:55 AM
QUOTE (tanka) |
Technically speaking... It should go Alpha, Beta, Gamma, then Delta. But nooo, FASA has to be goofy and do the Greek alphabet wrong. |
Yes you are right. Ok how about Epsilon or Zeta Cyber (the next names in the progression of the Greek Alphabet).
Grade ______ Essance Cost Reduction ____ Cost Multiplier _____Availablity
Epsilon _____ - 70 % ( x .3 ) ____________ 12 _______________ + 12 / x 5
Grade ______ Essance Cost Reduction ____ Cost Multiplier _____Availablity
Zeta _____ - 90 % ( x .1 ) ____________ 16 _______________ + 16 / x 8
Now we can play magical characters with move by wire 4
Tanka
Dec 26 2003, 02:58 AM
QUOTE (E.O.T.L.F.) |
QUOTE (tanka @ Dec 25 2003, 08:59 PM) | Technically speaking... It should go Alpha, Beta, Gamma, then Delta. But nooo, FASA has to be goofy and do the Greek alphabet wrong. |
Yes you are right. Ok how about Epsilon or Zeta Cyber (the next names in the progression of the Greek Alphabet). Grade ______ Essance Cost Reduction ____ Cost Multiplier _____Availablity Epsilon _____ - 70 % ( x .3 ) ____________ 12 _______________ + 12 / x 5 Grade ______ Essance Cost Reduction ____ Cost Multiplier _____Availablity Zeta _____ - 90 % ( x .1 ) ____________ 16 _______________ + 16 / x 8 Now we can play magical characters with move by wire 4 |
Yeah, if you've got 32,000,000 nuyen sitting around. And can manage the Etiquette roll to get it, and can negotiate it to be exactly listed value and not Street Index.
Zolhex
Dec 26 2003, 03:14 AM
New from your favorite corp. It's new!!! It's cutting edge!!! It's the best Cyberware we have ever made get yours now. Prices may vary from dealer to dealer.
So yes for quite some time it will be expensive and dammed hard to get let alone even hear of. But hey you introduce it now in 2064 (read as new source book SOTA:2064) as a rumor. Wait till 2065 (read as new source book SOTA:2065) let it be available at oh my god prices. Wait till 2066 (read as new source book SOTA:2066) let it be available at somewhere around Delta costs.
Of course by then Delta should be at or around Beta costs.
QUOTE |
Yeah, if you've got 32,000,000 nuyen sitting around. |
Phaeton
Dec 26 2003, 03:20 AM
QUOTE (Game2BHappy) |
QUOTE (The Jake) | Name one piece of cyberware you wish existed...., but hasn't been made yet for SR! |
The SmartBall link mentioned in Shadowbeat.
|
SmartBall link? O_o Is that like a smartlink for grenades and possibly baseballs?
Ol' Scratch
Dec 26 2003, 03:23 AM
It's designed for athletes, especially basketball and baseball players.
Phaeton
Dec 26 2003, 03:33 AM
Ahhhhhhh...
leemur
Dec 26 2003, 11:19 AM
QUOTE (E.O.T.L.F.) |
QUOTE (tanka @ Dec 25 2003, 08:59 PM) | Technically speaking... It should go Alpha, Beta, Gamma, then Delta. But nooo, FASA has to be goofy and do the Greek alphabet wrong. |
Yes you are right. Ok how about Epsilon or Zeta Cyber (the next names in the progression of the Greek Alphabet). Now we can play magical characters with move by wire 4  |
And somewhere down the line, we end up with Omega ware, which is so god damn cool it actually
gives you Essence.
Zolhex
Dec 26 2003, 07:29 PM
QUOTE (leemur @ Dec 26 2003, 06:19 AM) |
And somewhere down the line, we end up with Omega ware, which is so god damn cool it actually gives you Essence.
|
There ya go that'll work.
Hi I'm Tim the Mage I am a 10th level initiate with 10 points of Omega cyberware and an essance of 10. I'll be your tormentor today.
Siege
Dec 26 2003, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Phaeton) |
QUOTE (Game2BHappy @ Dec 25 2003, 09:11 PM) | QUOTE (The Jake) | Name one piece of cyberware you wish existed...., but hasn't been made yet for SR! |
The SmartBall link mentioned in Shadowbeat.
|
SmartBall link? O_o Is that like a smartlink for grenades and possibly baseballs?
|
Unfortunately, so far as I know, they've never published numbers for it.
Which is a shame, cause I like the idea of pinpoint accuracy with a grenade.
Bouncing it off some poor schmuck's forehead just adds insult to injury.

-Siege
fourstring_samurai
Dec 26 2003, 08:12 PM
a detachable cyber face for the infiltrator types. with three or four faces lying around, everytime you needed to change your identity you just pop the old one off and slap a new one on. and just think of the possibilities when combined with a second retinal pattern and a voice mod...
kenji
Dec 26 2003, 08:31 PM
QUOTE (Siege) |
QUOTE (Phaeton @ Dec 26 2003, 03:20 AM) | QUOTE (Game2BHappy @ Dec 25 2003, 09:11 PM) | QUOTE (The Jake) | Name one piece of cyberware you wish existed...., but hasn't been made yet for SR! |
The SmartBall link mentioned in Shadowbeat.
|
SmartBall link? O_o Is that like a smartlink for grenades and possibly baseballs?
|
Unfortunately, so far as I know, they've never published numbers for it.
Which is a shame, cause I like the idea of pinpoint accuracy with a grenade.
Bouncing it off some poor schmuck's forehead just adds insult to injury. :grinbig:
-Siege
|
and then some oddball will combine Missle Mastery with the Smartball Link and start hucking around minigrenades by hand.
you just need to put enough spin on them to get em to arm. it's all in the wrist, doncha know.
>:)
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