I did not mean to say that they would be. Neither would Panther Assault Cannons, Anti-Vehicular Missiles, Outlaw Block IIIs or Vigilant ACs be.

I should think the 4 weapons mentioned above would in fact be even less commonly used in the shadowrunning circles.

Actually, I think I'll just assume that that's pretty much what corps did. Ie, when they were developing Nano-Symbiotes, Nano-Medkits and the like, they also developed Cutters. And because they were a by-product of that research and even easier to manufacture (like I said, damaging things is far easier than fixing things), they'll be cheaper. Probably around 1/3rd the price mentioned in M&M (or ~7,000 nuyen), but perhaps even higher Street Index (x6 maybe).

With the current rules, that'd be 100,000 nuyen per squirt. With my lower prices, that'd still be ~42,000 per squirt. And DMSO and the SuperSquirt+CO2, of course. I truly doubt that will be a problem... Green Ring-8 and Seven-7 would still cost 1/10th of that, they're far easier to get at, and unlike with Cutters, you don't get shot back at for 2 Minutes while you wait for the stuff to take effect.

When you fight you have to chose your weapon wisely, if I was looking to get into a stand up fight with soemone, I wouldn't use a weapon that takes 2 minutes to start working and another 30 seconds to do its job. That is what a 500 pistol is for.

While atropine is indeed (at least a part of) an "antidote" to most(/all?) nerve gases IRL, this is not canon in SR (maybe you knew this already, but anyway). Anyway, you'd need an actual chemical weapons "antidote" kit, not just straight atropine, and you'd still be out of the fight for the whole duration.

The availability of 20 is the real kicker here, and if someone can get 42,000, he can probably get 100,000 too. And I much, much rather see them get these than Outlaw Block IIIs and Vigilant ACs. There's no antidote for 30D of Autocannon Goodness, either.

Well then this is kind of moot, isn't it?

We play if you know the cure to soemthing then you can have it. No sense in making all kinds of rolls and BS like that, if you know you have been hit by nerve gas and you have a dose of cure for then use it. I know atropine isn't the only thing in the nerve gas cure, but i didn't feel like going into all that.

The whole thing of spending 42,000 on a one shot "bullet" is a complete waste to me. I would only use them in the Arc where they originated as one of Deus's toys, until somethig in the Nanite world, in SR sourcebooks, would make them cost effective to use all the time or enev rarelly for that matter. Like you have said there are many other options out there to destroy lots of things, Shredder/Cutters are really just one of those things like the Ares RedLine, cool but ultimatly useless/out of the runners league. Lie BalckSmith also said there are a whole bunch of better tools for assassins to use.

@ BlackSmith I hope most of that was sarcasm. 9M for the first round, then another for at least 4 rounds is 12 boxes of damage, even a guy with with 5 or 6 Body is going to have an awfully hard time living through that, even if he had a Doc Wagon Platinum contract do you think they would get there in 30 seconds to try and save this guy. Even if the panic bracelette went off at the first sign of trouble, chances are the target will be dead before the paramedics can even turn on their flashing lights to start toward you. And the Shredders/Cutter if they still ad turns to go would continue to chew into the target for additional time like you said ultimatley dealing 27 boxes of damage.

Another thing about the Outlae missiles and Victory Cannons, they Shredders/Cutters in a jar is going to draw less attention then either of those weapons, especially since both those weapons require some sort of weapon mount usually a big beefy vehicle. So when I GM I preferre the big weapons, as they are easier to spot and take away, though they can cause massive amounts of damage the players are less willing to pull them out for you average fight. When I am a player I would not like either of these weapons being used either the heavy artillery or the Nanites, as we also have another rule in out games, If the PCs can have it so can the NPCs.

the magic word is the FIRST ROUND.
this stuff needs 4 ROUNDS to get you in deadly condition.
"oh i got M damage, heal. oh i got M damage, heal. oh i got M damage, heal. oh i got M damage, heal..." repeat until end of time.

the character has ROUNDS to deal with the problem. even cyanide, that spreads o ncelural level and via blood stream, inflicts -what 12D?- at the FIRST round.

it might take two rounds to figure out whats going on but then the target is himself at phone giving what ever dying-mands-comamnds.

when you assasinate someone the point is that no one knows he is dead until it is too late. now a suit with body 1 can give command for nuke strike while waiting death...

Anchored Diagnose and Treat spells... If the target values his life, he'll be wearing that anchored foci everywhere. And if you are paid enough to use nanites to kill someone, the target would probably be rich enough to afford such magical protection.

A mage would know if his spells went off, anchored or not, since there is that drain thing. If the mage was a live-in security mage, the response time would be fast. And since cutters are treated as chemicals for the purpose of game mechanics, perhaps an antidote spell would work against them.

12 seconds fast? I think not, unless he/she is sleeping with the mage in question.

No. Just no. I believe this is covered in RA:S with regard to the nanites used by the Bumblebees.

~J

I want my dick laser! Anyone want to see my lightsaber?

You know, I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

-Siege

Hey, that's some cyber/bio/gene thing I'll like to see.... I'm sure my squeeze would be thrilled too....

Although the question remains, does the concealibility of 24 refer to the weapon or your organ?

Organ? It's a weapon of mass orgasm!

go go gadget coptor!

Retractable rotating blades seem more reasonable then "wings". Not to mention more power firendly!

Although a cyber "glider" would make sense. Or a handy cyber "chute".

Though it doesn't really matter here, I would warn everyone from believing anything they read in Pravda. Considering that 99.9% of what they write is absolute crap, it can generally be considered proof of something being a lie if it gets published in Pravda.

Actually, I was planning to make Inspector Gadget into a SR character. Cyberzombie and detective extraordinaire!

Actually, picture this:

Leaping off a skyscrapper's ledge with a bungie, release from the bungie cord on the rebound and pop a BASE parachute to glide away...

-Siege

Obviously you don't have the Mild Addiction: Adrenaline Rush flaw.

-Siege

Y'know, rather than wings, gliders, or 'chutes, how about a balloon?

I bet a small balloon could be made tough enough to hold a bunch of hydrogen or helium to be released from an internal tank. It wouldn't need to be huge, just enough to slow your descent to something survivable. It might have flaps to catch air for a supplementary parachute effect. Clothing could have a break-away flap in the back or wherever to be forced open by the balloons inflation. An inflating airbag is unlikely to get tangled or open improperly, too.

Just something to help survive a major fall. I think it'd be cool.

Why does the scene of Veruca Salt (Charley and the Chocolate Factory, natch.) suddenly pop into my head here?

Oompa...Oompa...

<Shakes head>

Well, how about a combination of both? Basically an uninflated "Fat suit"/Air bag/Helium balloon?

I know it's not cyber but imagine...

-Jumping for your life from the 56th floor, activating your suit as you go off of the edge.

-The internal shaping and direction of the gas bladders force you into a foetal position, hands over your head. The hood inflating shortly after, protecting your fragile skull.

-The additional cushion pads blowing up all over the suit after the "curl up and live" bladders have fully deployed.

-The sudden, shocking impact of the ground, then again as you bounce. After a few more, the outer bladders blow first, softening the impact and negating further bouncing.

-With your "Jump'n'Blow-Suit" spent, falling into easily-escapable pieces, you stagger to your feet, locate your car and drive away, somewhat stunned but alive and with what you came for...



Ps: Anyone got a better name for it than "Jump'n'Blow"? Purple models available on request, for an additional charge.

PPS: Beats having to smuggle your parachute on board the plane you're about to hijak.

L;

The blueberry girl was named Charlotte, I think. Veruca was a different one.