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Schaeffer
The group I game with has decided to make the switch over to 4th edition. We have considered dragging along our old characters and continuing their existing storylines rather than to start all over again. My question is, how many of you folks who switched over from earlier editions either converted your old characters into the new system (adjusting attribute and skill levels, etc.) or simply made them up from scratch and basically started the same character over? What kind of problems did you encounter with either method? Thanks.
Grinder
We had a cool campaign running in SR3, but decided to start a new one in SR4, so we built new chars.
There hadn't been any problems at all. smile.gif

James McMurray
We started a new one. It had been quite a while since we
d played the old one, and we may have been close to ending that one anyway.
Charon
All new.

10 years (We were only in 60!) is far too long a time to cross. Even 5 years would be IMO.

Some people might make surprise appearance as NPC in the new campaign (including old PCs!) and we'll have fun seeing how life treated them but the current PCs were for the most part bratty teenagers while the previous PCs were in their peak years.
Rotbart van Dainig
The conversion guide includes rebuilding the characters, then distributing karma.

This works pretty well, you just have to remind you that SR4 values are abou 2/3 of the ones in SR3.
Schaeffer
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)
The conversion guide includes rebuilding the characters, then distributing karma.

This works pretty well, you just have to remind you that SR4 values are abou 2/3 of the ones in SR3.

That's actually the method we plan on using. Straight conversion seemed to have too many headaches, or at least more than we really wanted to worry about, although it seems much faster.
Jrayjoker
We had intermittent fits and starts of SR3 recently, so when SR4 came out we just made new characters. As with any new system, there is a learning curve, but it is working out well for us.
Bull
Haven't actually seriously PLAYED Shadowrun in about 10 years, and my last 3rd ed campaign is about 3-4 years gone. So we're starting over.

I'm actually gonna be playing the son of my original SR chracter, since by the timeline, he's about 17 now. smile.gif

Just getting the new campaign off the ground though, so... smile.gif
Witness
My campaign started in SR3 and is bridging to SR4: the last episode was in 2063 using SR4 rules (wasn't really a problem except for some gear not being available and the wireless matrix not existing yet- although the players worked for an AI and had access to something similar).
I plan to take those characters all the way to 2070, though I am considering a mcguffin by which they might be 'out of it' for a few years- trapped in a metaplane perhaps (*shrug*).
Rotbart van Dainig
QUOTE (Schaeffer)
That's actually the method we plan on using. Straight conversion seemed to have too many headaches, or at least more than we really wanted to worry about, although it seems much faster.

Indeed, OTF-Conversion isn't applicable on the long run - many areas have shifted.
One thing to keep in mind is that characters with high attributes and skills are somehow more powerfull in SR4 than in SR3, due to the more linear model - as there are caps, that is true for new and old characters alike.
Witness
Yeah character conversion from 3 to 4 wasn't too smooth. I pretty much played it by ear. There were complaints at first, stemming from the different scales- players felt like they were weaker than they had been- but it all worked out in the end.
Schaeffer
We're also debating on sticking with our old campaign's date of 2063 and just setting sail from there, or placing things at 2070, but that would no doubt be another thread smile.gif
Witness
I think it would at least be worth carrying the characters forward from 2063 to the Crash 2.0 in '65 and having them witness / try to survive all that.
stevebugge
I'm in the middle of running a bridge campaign using Brainscan and System Failure. We used the Quick Conversion Method on Characters with one house rule, Perception skill was gained at a level equal to 2/3 of the 3rd ed Intelligence stat. We did the same for assensing for characters who had astral perception. Generally it's going pretty well, the biggest problem I've had is having two group member decide to suddenly move to Haines Alaska. I can't imagine what the allure of a job offer to be substitute teachers in Haines was, but they took it.
Brahm
There was only one other person in the group that had played Shadowrun before, the GM, he hadn't played since SR1, and I didn't even know them when they started the campaign. So yeah, there were no real NPCs, although apparently a few of the NPCs are characters from when the GM played. Although I've never asked him, I suspect that the stats they have are total rebuilds from his old memorys.
booklord
Converted the characters......

Things got a little hairy with the Wujen shapeshifter

and

the moon maiden shaman who disliked the changes to her totem. ( They didn't apply to her character image at all )



The biggest problem for me was that the I had houserules that made getting attributes above your racial max (6 for humans) in SR3 very costly and as a result noone had done it. The 2/3 attribute conversion absolutely murdered some characters to the point they were weaker than the SR4 sample starters.

I changed it to a straight -1 unless the attribute was 1 or 2.

I also gave out free assensing and perception and gave them the opportunity to gain and lose qualities and flaws from SR3 to SR4.
GrinderTheTroll
QUOTE (Schaeffer)
The group I game with has decided to make the switch over to 4th edition. We have considered dragging along our old characters and continuing their existing storylines rather than to start all over again. My question is, how many of you folks who switched over from earlier editions either converted your old characters into the new system (adjusting attribute and skill levels, etc.) or simply made them up from scratch and basically started the same character over? What kind of problems did you encounter with either method? Thanks.

In all new versions, my players tend to just remake their old characters with the new rules and "start over". Last time moving from SR2 to SR3, we granted the remakes either a 20 Karma or Double-Tech bonus at chargen and allowed Initiation and other chargen "no-no's".

Although it was nice to hit the ground running, I think we all prefered to start anew with the new rules.
Schaeffer
QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)
QUOTE (Schaeffer @ Aug 7 2006, 06:50 AM)
The group I game with has decided to make the switch over to 4th edition.  We have considered dragging along our old characters and continuing their existing storylines rather than to start all over again.  My question is, how many of you folks who switched over from earlier editions either converted your old characters into the new system (adjusting attribute and skill levels, etc.) or simply made them up from scratch and basically started the same character over?  What kind of problems did you encounter with either method?  Thanks.

In all new versions, my players tend to just remake their old characters with the new rules and "start over". Last time moving from SR2 to SR3, we granted the remakes either a 20 Karma or Double-Tech bonus at chargen and allowed Initiation and other chargen "no-no's".

Although it was nice to hit the ground running, I think we all prefered to start anew with the new rules.

When that happened, did you restart the storylines or continue from where the campaign left off, with the characters just retrofitted to go with the new rules?
GrinderTheTroll
QUOTE (Schaeffer)
QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll @ Aug 7 2006, 12:59 PM)
QUOTE (Schaeffer @ Aug 7 2006, 06:50 AM)
The group I game with has decided to make the switch over to 4th edition.  We have considered dragging along our old characters and continuing their existing storylines rather than to start all over again.  My question is, how many of you folks who switched over from earlier editions either converted your old characters into the new system (adjusting attribute and skill levels, etc.) or simply made them up from scratch and basically started the same character over?  What kind of problems did you encounter with either method?  Thanks.

In all new versions, my players tend to just remake their old characters with the new rules and "start over". Last time moving from SR2 to SR3, we granted the remakes either a 20 Karma or Double-Tech bonus at chargen and allowed Initiation and other chargen "no-no's".

Although it was nice to hit the ground running, I think we all prefered to start anew with the new rules.

When that happened, did you restart the storylines or continue from where the campaign left off, with the characters just retrofitted to go with the new rules?

It was a good point for us to restart actually. We reset most of the storylines, NPCs and villians although they pop-up now and then but usually not in the same capacity as before. Characer histories usually remain the same with some updates or re-writes.

Our game sessions are more focused around smaller campaigns than larger storylines so the transition wasn't that difficult for us.
ornot
I started a brand new campaign, although I've reserved the rights to have old SR3 PCs turn up as NPCs. I've actually placed one already, although the PCs haven't met her, and intend to have her hire the new runners as a Johnson. Should bring a few laughs for those who remember her.
Dr. Dodge
my group had been on a SR (and roleplaying in general) hiatus for a couple years before we decided we'd like to play again. I (as the GM) was the most adamant for switching to SR4 and eventually the players warmed up to it. We made new characters from scratch and I'm currently busting the PC's through some old (converted) adventures (currently it's Dark Angel, rock out). We did scale the timeline back to 2050ish and just pretended the matrix had been wireless the whole time though.
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