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Catalyst Game Labs strategic vision has been further exemplified in our latest release: Corporate Enclaves. This synergistic product brings together the very best from the Horizon of versatile enjoyment through both tactile reading stimulation as well as pixel based representation.

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MaxHunter
"Horizon" haha!

Cheers!

Max
Ryu
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Catalyst Game Labs strategic vision has been further exemplified in our latest release: Corporate Enclaves. This synergistic product brings together the very best from the Horizon of versatile enjoyment, available to the consumer base through both brick-and-mortar shops and our companies b2c-internet platform. There is an integrated product bundle for those customers who want both printed and electronic versions.

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cryptoknight
Not the book I'm desperate for...please let the pdf for Arsenal come out soon.... smile.gif
Prime Mover
I'll second that Crypto! A pdf and a hardcopy would be nice.
Irian
Yes, I'm also much more interested in the "Arsenal"... Perhaps I'll try to order it the .pdf (instead of only waiting for the hardcover), but I don't know how problematic that is from here (without a credit card). Does anyone know if it's possible to pay via PayPal?
Kairo
QUOTE (cryptoknight)
Not the book I'm desperate for...please let the pdf for Arsenal come out soon.... smile.gif

Ditto.

Although I'll probably still pick up Corporate Enclaves to keep my collection "complete". wink.gif
Kyoto Kid
...so do they take prepaid Money Orders? Can't find any payment info on their site without opening a membership.
Ryu
@Irian: Try stiggybaby.com, they take paypal. Alltough you might need whatever a "confirmed address" is.
sloejack
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
...so do they take prepaid Money Orders? Can't find any payment info on their site without opening a membership.

battleshop takes CC and paypal
Rotbart van Dainig
QUOTE (Irian)
Does anyone know if it's possible to pay via PayPal?

It is.
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (sloejack)
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Dec 7 2007, 11:12 AM)
...so do they take prepaid Money Orders?  Can't find any payment info on their site without opening a membership.

battleshop takes CC and paypal

..devilrats! What the drek is a RL SINless supposed to do? I need a bloody Fixer.
Moon-Hawk
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
QUOTE (sloejack)
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Dec 7 2007, 11:12 AM)
...so do they take prepaid Money Orders?  Can't find any payment info on their site without opening a membership.

battleshop takes CC and paypal

..devilrats! What the drek is a RL SINless supposed to do? I need a bloody Fixer.

You know Paypal can work off a checking account, not just a credit card.

I'm no lawyer, but I think it's legal for someone to give you a copy of a file provided they do not retain a copy of their own. So if someone you trust (your Fixer, I guess) buys it online with their credit card and d/ls it, I believe it would then be legal for you to pay them to give you the file, again provided they do not retain a copy. But don't listen to me; that's an idea, not advice, I don't know squat about copyright law so that may well be illegal. I'm not about to try it; I live in this century so I can just buy it myself. nyahnyah.gif
Kyoto Kid
...yeah that's the way I'll have to go again as I deal strictly in hard currency (and PP'd MOs).

...used to be you got the evil eye from the cashier when you pulled out plastic or a chequebook. grinbig.gif
Moon-Hawk
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
I deal strictly in hard currency (and PP'd MOs).

Why? Wait, do you mean you don't have any bank accounts at all? You keep all your money as cash under your mattress? Or do you just mean you don't buy/sell on the internet or use credit cards? In either case, my question still stands; why? (not judging, just curious)
Kyoto Kid
...yep (well not under the mattress per se).

Grew tired of all the lovely "hidden fees" they don't care to tell you about, not knowing from month to month which bank you were even dealing with, serving the bank instead of them serving me, having my personal records dealt around like they're some sort of sports trading card, and most recently, that wonderful little life wrecker known as Identity Theft.

Also, no car, cable/satellite (Internet via WiFi) TV, no magazine/newspaper subscriptions (that's what the library is for), and no land line phone or cellular contract plan (prepaid "talk & toss" cell card).

The benefits: peace, quiet, less stress, and (a rarity in this day & age) a little bit of privacy.

...oh, also not being disturbed by telemarketers at dinnertime and not having to recycle all that junk mail every week.

Yeah, if the Awakening really happened, I'd probably be a good candidate for a Luddite were it not for the fact I find computers so bloody useful even if they are aggravating at times.grinbig.gif

...no surprise that one of my favourite films is Enemy of the State
Jaid
just for the record, there are pre-paid credit cards you can buy, at least in the states. presumably, those would work just fine for online purchases.
Whipstitch
Glee!


...And yeah KK, you're crazy! I don't own a TV, but still... no debit card?! Then again, I await with bated breath the day that all service industries can just be handled with drones and bunraku, so maybe I'm the weird one..
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (Whipstitch)
...And yeah KK, you're crazy! I don't own a TV, but still... no debit card?!

...yeah, I like the fact when I buy something, I actually really do own it rather than some bank's shareholder. Something about shelling out real currency makes that purchase seem more important. Debit cards? Even though they are tied to a cheque account balance, they still produce a "datatrail". I like the fact that when I buy something, the "All-Knowing All-Seeing Marketing Database" hasn't a clue as there is no name & PIN # attached to good ol' cash.

In 4th ed terms, I look at it as my version of a Spoof utility.

...shoulda seen the look on the Fry's Electronics clerk's face when I handed him 7 C-Notes for my notebook computer after he asked me "will that be credit or debit?" To steal a well worn cliché from a major CC company commercial, "priceless" grinbig.gif

Whipstitch
See, I like datatrails better than people. Anything that slows down the inexorable march towards handling everything as if we were making a purchase at a vending machine makes me grumpy. cyber.gif
Kyoto Kid
...ha, I usually get through a supermart checkout line faster than someone with a card. No PIN to enter, nothing to sign, and no dealing with a temperamental card reader that freezes the system up when it doesn't scan properly (thus requiring a manager override).

Plastic may be "convenient", but cash is still quicker, and in my book, safer. I drop a fiver on the ground, I'm out a fiver. I drop a CC or DC receipt on the ground and someone else has my account number and signature.

I've played SR long enough to learn a little paranoia is a good thing. grinbig.gif
imperialus
KK has a good point. I've been trying to be less reliant on plastic myself over the past year or so since my account number got stolen off my debit card. It was for the account that has my spending money in it so it was only a couple hundred dollars but it was still a pain in the butt. I've also found that I spend less money when I am actually handing over cash. Less incentive to impulse buy.

Out of curiosity KK how do you deal with stuff like bill payments, a mortgage or an employer that wants to pay you with direct debit into your account? I suppose you could mail a money order every month to cover your bills but a mortgage needs a bank, it's just the nature of the beast. Do you have a bank account that is just used for that or do you have a different solution?
imperialus
Slightly more on topic I must say that so far I'm quite impressed. I'm just finished reading the bit on UCLA and Cal-Tech so there is still quite a bit to go but I thought the history of LA was well written and interesting. Drew a lot of inspiration from Katrina and the Indonesian Tsunami which is never a bad thing. After all, why make something up whole cloth when mother nature provides?

I'm really looking forward to the Tokyo section since my current PC is VERY Japanese from a very traditional Yakuza clan. He's from Osaka but the climax of his personal plot line will almost certainly involve a trip to Tokyo.
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (imperialus)
KK has a good point. I've been trying to be less reliant on plastic myself over the past year or so since my account number got stolen off my debit card. It was for the account that has my spending money in it so it was only a couple hundred dollars but it was still a pain in the butt. I've also found that I spend less money when I am actually handing over cash. Less incentive to impulse buy.

Out of curiosity KK how do you deal with stuff like bill payments, a mortgage or an employer that wants to pay you with direct debit into your account? I suppose you could mail a money order every month to cover your bills but a mortgage needs a bank, it's just the nature of the beast. Do you have a bank account that is just used for that or do you have a different solution?

...PM forthcoming to get things here back on the right track.
martindv
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Dec 7 2007, 11:57 PM)
and no dealing with a temperamental card reader that freezes the system up when it doesn't scan properly (thus requiring a manager override).

How often does that ever happen, because in all my years I've never even seen that happen in person.

QUOTE (imperialus)
Slightly more on topic I must say that so far I'm quite impressed.  I'm just finished reading the bit on UCLA and Cal-Tech so there is still quite a bit to go but I thought the history of LA was well written and interesting.

I hope the UCLA section isn't written like the ramblings of too-proud Bruin students like it was in CFS.

BTW, there's a neat tie-in to the Deep Lacuna in the current arc of The Order comic book (which is just excellent outside of that. Matt Fraction is awesome), involving giant lizard monsters under southern California (and a mention of the underground Hopi city beneath L.A. City Hall.
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (martindv)
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Dec 7 2007, 11:57 PM)
and no dealing with a temperamental card reader that freezes the system up when it doesn't scan properly (thus requiring a manager override).

How often does that ever happen, because in all my years I've never even seen that happen in person.

...I have, on a number of occasions. Sometimes, granted, it's operator (customer) error, but it also depends on the network the market has set up.

The worst are those new "U-Scan" stations which in some places have replaced the old Express Line. These even have operational issues when making cash transactions.

...as Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott once put it: "the more you overtech the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." grinbig.gif
Moon-Hawk
Counterintuitive, perhaps, but I recently read an article about how people who engage in internet banking, etc actually suffer less overall losses due to identity theft than people who don't. (edit: people who engage in internet banking, etc describes a demographic, no where is it meant to imply that the actual act of internet banking has a direct cause-effect relationship here)
Sounds weird, but as an example: If an account is ever opened in my name (or any other event which would show up on a credit report), anywhere, ever, I rapidly receive an e-mail and a text-message so I know about it, and if it wasn't me doing it I can take immediate corrective action. As for anything that happened in the meantime, my accounts are insured and I'm not actually liable for any losses incurred during that very short period of time.
If someone goes through my grandparents' trash or otherwise tried to steal their identity, it could be months or years before they ever find out about it, during which time they incur massive losses which they would be accountable for.
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk)
If someone goes through my grandparents' trash or otherwise tried to steal their identity, it could be months or years before they ever find out about it, during which time they incur massive losses which they would be accountable for.

...that's what a crosscut shredder is for.
Moon-Hawk
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Dec 10 2007, 11:21 AM)
If someone goes through my grandparents' trash or otherwise tried to steal their identity, it could be months or years before they ever find out about it, during which time they incur massive losses which they would be accountable for.

...that's what a crosscut shredder is for.

You know, your employer, the hospital you go to, and many, many branches of the government have your social security number as well. Are you personally supervising them to be sure they're shredding and disposing of everything properly? (obviously rhetorical and not intended to be hostile/snide)

I'm not dissing your choice of lifestyle, KK, I'm really not. I'm just saying that you, alone can never get your risk to 0%, absolutely no one can. I'm just pointing out that there are technophile as well as luddite-style approaches to reducing the probability of an adverse event and the severity of such events. There are certainly pros and cons to both approaches. I was just curious, (at least as far as you and I are concerned) no one is trying to change anyone's mind. wink.gif
BookWyrm
I'll wait for the hardcopy. No offense, but now that I'm working, I can reserve it at the Strat & pick it up when it comes in, instead of having to wait a few months later for ICON. biggrin.gif
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk)
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Dec 10 2007, 11:24 AM)
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ Dec 10 2007, 11:21 AM)
If someone goes through my grandparents' trash or otherwise tried to steal their identity, it could be months or years before they ever find out about it, during which time they incur massive losses which they would be accountable for.

...that's what a crosscut shredder is for.

You know, your employer, the hospital you go to, and many, many branches of the government have your social security number as well. Are you personally supervising them to be sure they're shredding and disposing of everything properly? (obviously rhetorical and not intended to be hostile/snide)

I'm not dissing your choice of lifestyle, KK, I'm really not. I'm just saying that you, alone can never get your risk to 0%, absolutely no one can. I'm just pointing out that there are technophile as well as luddite-style approaches to reducing the probability of an adverse event and the severity of such events. There are certainly pros and cons to both approaches. I was just curious, (at least as far as you and I are concerned) no one is trying to change anyone's mind. wink.gif

...true, but the risk can be minimised.

It is more than ID theft as I mentioned. It is also a simpler, and in my view, more gratifying lifestyle.
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