personaly I love the Guardian, not only fact it has power, but the style. it seems like a pistol you can spit some wicked drek befor slaying a poor somea biotch with

What, no Ares Redline?

~J

went with the ultra power but im a big fan of the maxpowers

Predator 2 cause when you're making a bunch of NPCs, "heavy pistol with a smartlink" is all you want.

Where's the Ares Viper Slivergun? Isn't it considered a Heavy Pistol?

I vote the Ultra-power. I think I might like the APII and III better from a numbers perspective, but there's just something about the max and ultra-powers that I like.
Playing with one in my current campaign, haven't done me much good though.

What is it with the APS, I started making custom-jobs of those to some key-NPCs before I even got here. What makes everyone automatically love them, and eventually hate them.

Everyone loves it because it's an awesome gun. Everyone hates it because it's unbalanced and physically implausible to say the least.

~J

Not to mention sexy.
I think people start hating it becuase it gets overused.
How is it physically implausible? (don't flame, just link to an old thread if this is an ancient topic)

Do a search on "slivergun" on these forums and on the old forums. There's dozens of threads dedicated to why the weapon is fucked up. For example, this.

Also, this popped up: Favourite Heavy Pistol
Not that this thread isn't called for, it's been a while.

"Que hablo Colt Manhunter?"

-Street Detective

One Guardian to rule them, one Guardian to bind them... There's some near-fetishist love of the Savalette among a couple of my players.

Though for non-sams in my group the weapon of choice seems to be the Manhunter.

And the few characters I made with the intention of playing all had Morrisey Elite's, just so they could have a gun that would fit in at expensive parties.

I voted Ultra-Power, but I'm a big Max-Power fan.

Where the hell is the Super Warhawk!?

Gardian every time!!

torz x

In lack of an "other"-option: i chose Ares Pred 1. Just for the nostalgic feeling. I'm some kind of old school in certain things.

smilie

Colt. Because its NOT a Ares Pred.

Ares predator would certainly win as the best known gun among my friends, but I don't know if everyone likes em.

After reading some old threads I think I like the AVS better than the Ultra-Power.

I see the Hatamoto II isn't in there either...more stopping power, but horrible reloading.

Sorry about the small selection, but I could only have 10 choices. but great feedback

I don't know.. I still like the Slivergun. Not the greatest by any means, but nice and useful in specific circumstances. Had way too much fun in the first run with it.

I like the Ultrapower for normal use, and the Morrisey Elite for whne you need a little better concealability.

I would normally have chosen one of the Ares Predator variants (probably III, since SL-2 is a wonderful addition to any firearm), but since my current character is a physad, I went with the Colt Manhunter--gotta love an integral laser sight, especially with "natural" vision mag 3.

The Colt Manhunter is completely worthless for anyone that expects to be stealthy(IE Real shadowrunners). Integral barrel-mounted laser sight = NO SILENCER = SUCK. If you want a laser sight on an HP while leaving your top-mount free, go for the Morrissey Elite or Alta.

My write-in vote goes to the Remington Roomsweeper. Shotgun rounds are sweet, especially those specialized ones that you don't want to drag an entire shotgun around for, like the Shock-lock(or however you spell it) rounds.

IMO, the Colt Manhunter is THE gun for mages and/or uncybered mundanes. You've got a laser sight, high ammo capacity, good damage, and good conceal for low cost.

And if you're a mage and worried about being heard, there's always, you know. Bolt/Ball/Elemental/Slay/Slaughter.

Not to mention Silence.

Plus there are the times you want to use it without having to worry about stealth, or if your cover is already blown and you need to escape.

Besides, if you want something silent and deadly (heheheh...), why not just go for a dart pistol or something using capsule rounds or a supersquirt?

I'll agree with you on the matter of the barrel-mounted laser sight, though. That's pretty stupid. It should be top-mounted.

I figured I'd be the only one to vote for the Deputy. I just can't help but love the seven shot six-shooter...

Ultra Power user here. Just lop off that laser sight and install a smartgun link and you gain 2 more to concealibility. Maybe that's not exactly in the rules, but hey, I figure a laser costs 2 to install, it'll add 2 when you remove.

beretta 9S2... Nothing says love like a heavy pistol with burst fire with a simple action.

Voted Pred II, because in the Motor City we love three things: Our cars, Ares, and smartlinks.

....... yes.

No AVS? What kind of gun poll is this?!

Derail/Hijack: I demand sex with my dikoted ally spirit!

Granted. Go forth and multiply.

I'm not sure this would qualify as an answer to the poll, but I roll for my choice of weapons. Or just randomly point to a page in MM/SR3. It helps to add chance to char creation and avoids a case of munchkinies. I don't however recommend this, its just my way.

The major drawback of the Guardian is that its Burst Fire mode requires a Complex Action, as opposed to the Simple Action of most other Burst Fire weapons.

I voted for the Colt Manhunter.

In regards to Modesitt's comments about the inability to add a silencer ... doesn't the fact that the laser sight is integral mean that the barrel mount is still available for use with a silencer?

From a power perspective, you just can't beat the Ares Viper. If not for the whole Gibson reference street samurai future-gun archetype factor, I'm sure it would have been amended down to something less obscene by now. As it is, it's burst-fire, silent, has an integral laser sight, does unholy damage (and yes, someone in armor can easily resist 9S(f). That's why you call shots or just make a 12D(f) burst), and has insane capacity (enough for ten three-round bursts if you need to take down heavily armored targets). Oh, and all that with a high concealability. Why would you choose anything else?

However, since it's really cheesy, it is not my favorite gun. I actually have two:

Colt Manhunter is pretty concealable, has a really decent ammunition capacity, and a features an integral laser sight, which is quite handy for characters who, for stylistic or rules-oriented reasons, do not have smartlink cyberware. It's good for combat-oriented non-smartlinked characters for those above reasons.

Browning Max-Power/Ultra-Power has a relatively low ammunition capacity, but is concealable enough that one can toss on a suppressor and still potentially not draw attention. Due to the concealability factor, it's good for cybered combat-characters (Max-Power, that is, and when combined with an internal Smartlink-2). The ultra-power, with its integral laser aiming module, is useful for non-combat characters who want to go for a small form-factor piece with enough punch to actually do damage to an armored target. Handy for stealthy types, too, when a suppressor comes into play (see above).

The AVS does not come with a laser sight.

I like the MaxPower for all the reasons you mentioned.

Manhunter. Better concealability, extra bullet and the laser sight is just handier since I tended to play adepts mostly. And if you take the laser sight off the concealabilty jumps to six which is just as good as the Browning.

So, what's all this crap about removing integral mods and it adds back to the Conceal? I don't think that's right.

Page numbers would be cool.

Moreover, what are the costs of removing integral mods?

They have laser sights and tac-lights for the glock that are not really barrel mounted, but could kinda be consider to be. They replace the (damn, i forgot what it's called) thing that has the recoil spring on it.

Sorry, I'm getting really tired here. Long workday.

Laser sights are top/under mounted. So unless the weapon has an integral barrel mounted laser (like a Manhunter), it should be top/under mounted. Since the Manhunter has its barrel mount taken by a laser sight, it cannot mount a silencer.

That and pistols, IIRC, can't take underbarrel mounts.

I don't really understand how a laser sight could be 'barrel-mounted'. I can see top, or under-barrel mounts (which pistols can't have, IIRC), but not a sight mounted in line with the barrel itself in the same manner as a Gas Vent or Silencer.

I mainly GM, and most my mooks use the Heavy Pistol unless someone actually decides to pick it up after, then I have to decide what it was (unless it has the integral SL or Laser sight, that makes it easier.) The few times I got to play, though, the Guardian was my gun of choice. There are some nice options with other guns but slapping EX explosive rounds in that bad boy makes a 14S burst. That'll sting a bit. I played a Shaman at a Con that used one. The other players asked what kind of Combat Spells I had, and I rattled off the usual drek and added "My favorite is Savelette Guardian. No Drain."

I think the "no under mount" was a cheap way to disallow mounting GLs on pistols.

The "barrel mount loophole" on the Manhunter represents the RL movement to mount tac lights and stuff under the pistol's barrel.

Just a guess.

Pistols cannot have underbarrel mounts "unless otherwise stated," according to the CC.

So I'm assuming the HPistols with lower Concealability numbers (and don't have things already mounted) generally get to mount underbarrel accessories. Generally.

Except that pistols only have a "top mount" and a "barrel mount."

Its like mounting a supressor on a HK227. The barrel mount is taken by the gas vent eventhough the suppressor conects to the end of the barrel. In RL a GV system would negate the effect of a suppressor but IIRC there's nothing that states a GV does that. I could be wrong and, as usual, YMMV.