Perhaps that is a sympton of the situation rather than a cause....... and just looking at the main page he seems to have contributed a bit already. He even did in his post here.

I agree that it's a sympton, and we have had other new Users who have come in with an attitude and cooled, adding more to the discussion.

We can address the symptons here. We can't do a lot about the cause. I'd rather address it with a new User before it becomes a problem, and clarify another poster's position, than start issuing out Warnings. In my experience, it's generally better to say "Hey, that's where the line is. Step back." then to start off with *handslap*.

Okay, I think we've got most of Dynamo Dave's efforts covered...moving on:


The continuing adventures of those three...heh. That was an Easter egg for the old players, mostly. Hadn't worked out an exact plot yet, but I had a few ideas.

Well, if you come up with something, and Sargent and Gascoigne don't mind you using their characters, I'd like to see it. Serrin has always been one of my favorite SR personalities.

Did you miss the link in his line? Click on the word "weak" and you'll get the entire list of topics started by Ancient History.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't realize this discussion was already over when I posted this. Mia culpa.

No more than you missed the full question.

Speaking of Easter Eggs for us old-timers...I've only found teeny tiny bits here and there of the old plots in 4e...I really hope they pick some of the old threads back up. I know, I know, street level. We've had street level stuff for (checks copyright on Ltd Ed 4e #272) five years now. Maybe it's in the Artifacts adventure tract I bought but haven't read yet, and I know ED crossovers are gone the way of Dunkelzahn, but I miss the overarcing storylines Nigel Findley did so well and some of the other guys picked up later. Over the past few years, I've actually picked up and re-read the old 1st and 2nd Ed. books just for the stories...hints dropped here and there that were played out so very masterfully...it's felt a lot more haphazard pretty much since the start of 4e...

Okay, I sort of thought this had been covered - no, I haven't released this much material at once before. That's because I've never had this much material to release before. I have released a considerable chunk of unpublished material before, as I think has been aptly demonstrated. I didn't release these drafts out of spite - from the very first I made it clear to everybody I would release these drafts at some point. While I initially wanted to wait until the books were released, I had no obligation to wait that long, and there were sufficient concerns about the material that I wanted to release them now, while I still could, rather than wait. Since CGL is dedicated to rewriting all of these sections anyway, and none of my original material will be used in their drafts, releasing these drafts cannot possibly hurt them. At worst, it's free advertising for the upcoming products.

Thank You AH for showing us your materials.

Many night of staying up late are in store for me.

Yes, this was, in fact, what i was referring to . .
Usually, i am the first to greet a new face in here, but not if within their first 5 or 10 postings they behave like that . .

Ah, that explains the lacking shadowtalk uproar.

Speaking of shadowtalk, did this Icarus guy appear before? Seems quite connected for a first-time poster...

He's been around for all of 4th edition, yes. We didn't reveal much about him, but I have my own ideas about that...which I gave a big reveal to in the opening fiction of The Untethered Life.

Thanks for revealing that AH. I enjoyed reading all of it, especially the articles that deal with corporations. The MCT was especially interesting, and we got to find what happened to Puck. I wonder what will be the official version of the story (if it comes out)?

Another question, if I may, does the intro fiction in Untethered Life mean that Captain Chaos is back in some way? EGhost, AI (ala CC justice), or some other advanced program/personality imprint?

It was my intention to have Cap as an e-ghost called "Kaos," at least for a while.

Ronny Soak?

Heh. No, but nice Pratchett reference.

*snickers* could not help myself ^^

I'm not an AH fan, but this post is proof of your stupidity is an ignorant post. Or maybe you're just a newb unaware of events that have transpired way before you registered.

AH released more fan based material before he became a freelancer than anyone I can think of post SR2. In case that confuses you, yes, there was lots of fan based material, interest, and web sites up to shortly after SR3s release, when most quit churning out new stuff. Ancient History was one of the few to fill that void, and he was probably the most prolific.

I have no doubt he was hoping to use some of this stuff in the future. Writers do things like that in hope of working it into another piece, or in the case of SR - getting it in a re-write of a book, eg. Seattle, New Seattle, Seattle 2072, ... This game is notorious for rehashing previous books, as well as trying to put disjointed material in a single book.

I must quit now and let my rage simmer.

[edit] edited to try to point out how the quoted post is incorrect, and not attack the poster's intelligence. [/edit]

So much for simmering.


A veteran would have realized how farcical your claims are.


Probably around the time he was joining or leaving the military. IIRC. he said something about clearing out his computer. It may have been before he had his own site and was getting it set up and posting links to it. Like I said, not a fan, but I do like looking at what others create for the game to see how they envision it and what direction they are taking it.


My opinion differs.

I'm not sure it is spite at all. Depression, perhaps giving up on something that was a major joy in life because it betrayed you and hurts to be in its company? I do not know the actual reasons, but I can imagine several which spite is far from most probable.

How is this to the detriment of the game and the fans?

[edit] Late as usual, but hopefully civil enough.

Going purely by word count, whenever he put the ED Dragons book draft download up - though I think he just hosted it. As for his own stuff? He hasn't been a freelancer for that long - five years, give or take.

Anyway, what with all the hate? I am thankful for alternatives top chapters I may not like, and even more for him sharing his work regardless of his future witht eh franchise (nevermind the legal reasons he may or may not have had posting the stuff now). I do hope he'll stay around. I'd sorely regret the Ancient Files going the way of BlackJack's.

Oh, and the Tir na nOg entry is ... interesting. Maybe I should write a PM on that.

Oooh, I know this!

They offed the guy who ... eh.

Read Streets of Blood. Let's just say Paul Bernal II fucked them over good, and Serrin has a damned good reason to want to see him dead. Kristen is with him becuase she is Kristen, and Geraint because he feels he owes him. Pity Karma bit him. Gerraint's my all time favourite SR NPC. Not saying he wasn't due, though, but it still is kind of George R.R. Martin.

To everyone I haven't got to yet: you're welcome, and I'm glad you enjoy it.

As much as I loved the Untethered Life bit, it seems like a rehash of the sort of life on the run things that I know I've read in Runner's Companion and in the main book. Sure, it was a bit more specialized, and I'm glad it's out there...but I'm also glad it's not in any book because how many times do we really need the same sort of "Be super-dooper paranoid, kiddies!" stuff?

AH,

I have to admit I liked you intro to the Corp Guide better than what ended up coming out - it was more polished and for a 4th printing of the information, it did provide some new insights - such as why you don't have guard posts outside of extraterritorial facilities for both the corp and the local government.

-M&P

Thanks so much for these. I've been looking for good information to integrate into my game about the CAS and IU for a while... this will help.

As an aside, was the November 10th Secession day canon before you wrote this, or did you come up with it? I don't know if you're aware or not, this is also the Marine Corps Birthday (notable because of your inclusion of MCRD Parris Island in the 2nd paragraph after.)

It's old canon.

I've friggin' read it this weekend somewhere and can't remember where. Maybe in one of the timelines? Shadows of North America? Grrr...might've just been the wiki...

Out of curiosity, I did a quick scan of Neo-Anarchist Guide to North America and didn't see anything there. I did find it in Shadows of North America. 10 November 2034 is listed in the CAS Timeline on page 58 as being Secession Day. Don't know if it shows up elsewhere, but there is one spot.

Awesome. I'm just glad to see my beloved Corps get some love, even if its unintentional.

You realize it probably has more to do with November 10, 1860 and the secession of South Carolina, right?

There was quite a bit of discussion about how the Marine Corps would handle the UCAS/CAS split and their possible support of reunification, but nothing came of it, sadly.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANCIENT
god, I love your stuff, sry that it isnt canon anymore, but the Kaos part is just.... so everything I love about Shadowrun. Like the whole stuff you wrote.
*big grin*

I feel the love ^^

Not canon? Screw you, *I* decide what's canon in my games damnit and Kaos is friggin' canon! I saw we revolt!

I second the vote that the reanimation of the digital mind of the good Captain be henceforth considered Canon by all right thinking GM's

Everything in the Ancient Files is considered Canon by the People i know.

yep in my runs and short stories are the Ancient Files canon too.
I therefor join the revolution. Let the seeds of the E-Ghosts float through our runs, through our own sixth world!

Everything in the Ancient Files is Cannon in my games - runners beware if you don't read them

-M&P

I'm about to run a game with a bunch of newbies, starting them in 2051 with the bugs working through Harlequin to get to the Horrors and Harlequin's Back, then putting them in the middle of the election and finishing off the Horrors, so on and so forth all the way up into the Crash.

I've BANNED my players from reading AH so that when they get that run into the Renraku Archology to lift out an exec on December 24, 2061, they don't know what's coming. I'm actually going to wait until one of them says "This is going too smoothly" before I drop the Deus on them.

You are undeniably evil. I approve wholeheartedly

I'm not kidding...the extraction is going to go perfectly to whatever their original plan is. Security's going to be elsewhere or on a bathroom break, alarms will suddenly fail, bystanders will offer assistance, everything is going to run absolutely perfectly...and if they can manage to NOT say the magic words, they'll get out. They'll complete the run and the shutdown happens immediately after they exit. However, if they DARE to tempt fate...if they even breath anything remotely like "This is too easy"...that's when gates slam shut.

May they say "I have a bad feeling about this" instead?

For their sakes I hope they don't say it. For yours i hope they do

Oh, they're getting involved one way or another...it's just whether they're going to be inside trying to break out or outside trying to break in for the next few sessions...

I'm reading what you wrote for India. Because I was curious.

I'm just starting but I have a question.
Why in /Hades left testicle/ is the new Sikh country called Khalistan?

-stan is a muslim denominator. The Sikh and Muslims hate each other with a passion that is rivaled pretty much by noone. They make the Palestinian/Jewish conflict look positively friendly.
Why are the Sikhs in the Kashmir Valley? They're originally from Punjabi

It's just. Was this info pulled from previous source or just bad homework?
So much could have been done with India. The tech industry, the caste system. It reads very dissapointing.

It wouldn't be the first time Shadowrun used bad research. A lot of the Asian source names from way back when (2nd Edition, etc.) are actually Surname + Surname instead of having a First name in there somewhere.

Shadows of Asia.


Shadows of Asia.


I would like to have done more with India. I was limited a great deal by wordcount, and on the depiction in SoA. I mean, when you really look at countries like India and China, they are massive and old and very, very strange. There are ethnicities there that most Americans have never even heard of, and they exist in relatively massive numbers.

Okay its' an old bias from the 80's source book. I can live with that.
Really India could be it's very own Source Book. Also Something it might be nice for CGL to do. Is to take some of the canon from previous editions that's clearly badly researched, and updated it.

That was my point. There are ethnicities, mystical 'traditions'. Vishnu Adepts, Thuggies, a booming IT industry. One of the largest IT companies in the /world/ is Indian. And that's not including Chinese stuff.

Shaolin Monks, and fighting monks (Mystic Adepts, and Adepts)
Wujen Tradition spellcasters.
Dragons.
So much could be one with both those places. Instead they get a little paragraph that amounts to "wow these places suck"

Shadows of Asia isn't an 80s book. It's a 2000's book from Third Edition.



India could easily be its own sourcebook. Except the publishers have never wanted a full India sourcebook (likely because those types of books sell very poorly these days). Though the India write-up in Shadows of Asia is significantly larger than the piece in the Sixth World Almanac will be.

...But there's nothing stopping fans putting some material together - even if it's just a multi-system guide.

I did create a thread for such fan material...

That would amount to reconning most of the fucked up insanities of the SR timeline, and many of those (the NAN for a big example) are sacred cows.

the NAN? that's one part I actually really like