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Brazilian_Shinobi
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 7 2010, 11:35 AM) *
Kick is Unarmed Combat only and whips, no matter if tied to the feet or not, are Exotic Weapons.

But the idea is awesome.


A Street Samurai with hands on their feets holding a monofilamente whip? Do I smell a General Grievous here? cyber.gif

Edit: Ok, I'm brainstorming about this now, tonight when I get home I'll take a look of what I can do with this.
Rotbart van Dainig
Or you go the SURGE/Geneware route with Monkey Paws.
Brazilian_Shinobi
Might be doable too. A SURGED Adept with monkey paws and shiva Arms...
Rotbart van Dainig
The drawback is that anything else than the primary hand suffers the offhand modifier.
Mäx
QUOTE (Medicineman @ Dec 7 2010, 04:31 PM) *
The point is the Thought of using Krav Maga for Bows and Arrows

Krav Maga is just a name they gave to that particular set of advantages, it even list a couple other arts that have exactly the same benefits.
If he's using it only for bows, you could just use a name of some bow shooting art instead of krav mage.
Ascalaphus
Krav Maga is a pragmatic, living MA. If suddenly bows become viable weapons again, Krav Maga can be expanded with techniques to use bows more effectively. Why not?
Medicineman
QUOTE (Mäx @ Dec 7 2010, 11:13 AM) *
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If he's using it only for bows, you could just use a name of some bow shooting art instead of krav mage.

You're right smile.gif
Maybe I'm too much into Martial Arts
I wouldn't Mind at all if it would be called ....Dai-Kyutsu f.e. and then with the same Advantages for Bows (but Bows only !)
but Krav Maga is (for Me) with Handguns and Knifes ,thats it

Hough !
Medicineman
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 7 2010, 08:00 AM) *
The drawback is that anything else than the primary hand suffers the offhand modifier.


Unless, of course, you take Off-Hand Training... Solved, all Off-Hands are now at no penalty...
Yerameyahu
You still can't kick with a whip.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Dec 7 2010, 06:08 PM) *
You still can't kick with a whip.


T'is True...
dreddwulf1
QUOTE (Neraph @ Dec 6 2010, 11:45 AM) *
Krav Maga is actually based on using any weapon that you may come across, so restricting it to pistols is not in keeping with the spirit of the martial art itself. There's a school near my house and first day students are learning knife and gun disarms, breakfalls, and standing from prone without hands. In fact, with a little research you'll actually find that Krav is one of the very original martial arts - the Hebrew slaves taught Krav to Pharoe's bodyguards who the Greeks learned aspects of it from and turned it into pankration, then spread that around the world (eventually becoming virtually every modern-known martial art). So yeah, Krav Maga is powerful because it was basically the first.




I wouldn't say it was the FIRST martial art (there are a few from Africa, China and India that are very old themselves) but I do agree with the spirit of the art itself. I do, however, end up with the same question of overpowering that others do with this art.
sabs
A martial art first developed in the post WWI era does not even come close to being "First"
Whipstitch
Agreed. People have fought the world over and so virtually every culture has had warriors. But without some form of continuity in regards to training standards and the like it's really rather useless and imprecise to start applying the name Krav Maga to whatever Jews throughout history fought like at any given time. It'd be similar to me claiming that the time I punched a guy in the ear is descended from the traditions of Aztec or Viking warrior culture. I mean, yeah, sure, I'm half Mexican and a quarter Norwegian, but really it just seemed like a good idea at the time.
Critias
It'd be great if Neraph would come back and say something, anything, about his "first martial art" claim. Like even just sharing a web site or something.
Draco18s
QUOTE (Critias @ Dec 12 2010, 02:01 PM) *
It'd be great if Neraph would come back and say something, anything, about his "first martial art" claim. Like even just sharing a web site or something.


More than likely it's personal research for a book "I'm about to publish."

</reference to the last two extraordinary claims I've heard*>

*One was "I met a dragon in Iraq and it asked me to write its memoir." And the other was "books predating the invention of writing describing dragons in detail."
WhiskeyJohnny
QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Dec 12 2010, 09:43 AM) *
Agreed. People have fought the world over and so virtually every culture has had warriors. But without some form of continuity in regards to training standards and the like it's really rather useless and imprecise to start applying the name Krav Maga to whatever Jews throughout history fought like at any given time. It'd be similar to me claiming that the time I punched a guy in the ear is descended from the traditions of Aztec or Viking warrior culture. I mean, yeah, sure, I'm half Mexican and a quarter Norwegian, but really it just seemed like a good idea at the time.


Clearly it is descended from the legendary Mixed Viking/Aztec Martial Art, Hrimgarouatl. This is the original martial art of the American Native people, coming from a fusion of Erik the Red's teachings and those of his companion Acolaua, developed during Erik's years in El Dorado.

As to the question of the relative power of Krav Maga in Shadowrun - yeah, it seems pretty darn good.
Fortinbras
QUOTE (HunterHerne @ Dec 6 2010, 11:17 PM) *
Haha. Called shots. They are useful, and powerful. Now, how does one get more free actions to take aim at range, called shot and draw your pistol sized weapon before firing? Because unless you can do all that, Krav Maga isn`t the be all end all of abilities.


Multitasking adapt power with a 'Focus' reality amplifier??? Yeah, I wouldn't allow it in my game either.

QUOTE (Draco18s @ Dec 12 2010, 04:34 PM) *
*One was "I met a dragon in Iraq and it asked me to write its memoir."


Because that country doesn't have enough problems?
Draco18s
QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Dec 13 2010, 12:29 AM) *
Because that country doesn't have enough problems?


Just add one God-fearing,* Sinner-eating, fire-breathing, flying reptile into the mix.

*By which I mean the Christian god.
Yerameyahu
Isn't that exactly what happens at Armageddon? Insert a God-fearing, Sinner-eating dragon into the Middle East? Sounds like it's not worth the trouble. smile.gif
Fauxknight
QUOTE (sabs @ Dec 12 2010, 09:08 AM) *
A martial art first developed in the post WWI era does not even come close to being "First"


Maybe he was confusing when the style iself was developed with when some of the techniques used were developed. Most martial arts are a mix of techniques from older martial arts, but I'm sure they can all claim roots back to the first time a caveman punched another caveman in the face.
Draco18s
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Dec 13 2010, 12:52 AM) *
Isn't that exactly what happens at Armageddon? Insert a God-fearing, Sinner-eating dragon into the Middle East? Sounds like it's not worth the trouble. smile.gif


Lets just say that the two of us (I and the supposed writer of the dragon's memoirs) got along swimmingly. Like gasoline and matches.
He was actually-banned from the forum, I voluntarily quit as I realized that I didn't like the forum and the only reason I'd stuck around was to try and get a hold of a friend (who, at this point, I'm convinced has thrown away his computer, as he isn't online anywhere anymore).
Brazilian_Shinobi
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Dec 13 2010, 02:52 AM) *
Isn't that exactly what happens at Armageddon? Insert a God-fearing, Sinner-eating dragon into the Middle East? Sounds like it's not worth the trouble. smile.gif


You mean "Armageddon, the End Times are here"? Great game, great setting, too bad I lent it to a friend and the book disappeared in his black hole he calls home...
Yerameyahu
On that note, Brazilian_Shinobi, have you heard about ArMEGAddon? It's Armageddon, except MEGA. biggrin.gif http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/414/ArMEGAddon
Draco18s
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Dec 13 2010, 09:35 PM) *
On that note, Brazilian_Shinobi, have you heard about ArMEGAddon? It's Armageddon, except MEGA. biggrin.gif http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/414/ArMEGAddon



Nice, that was awesome.
Brazilian_Shinobi
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Dec 13 2010, 11:35 PM) *
On that note, Brazilian_Shinobi, have you heard about ArMEGAddon? It's Armageddon, except MEGA. biggrin.gif http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/414/ArMEGAddon


You know, never watch funny videos with a flu, it just makes you feel worse while you try to laugh and cough at the same time, your throat was not built for this...
Udoshi
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Dec 7 2010, 06:08 PM) *
You still can't kick with a whip.


Sez who? Thats what cyber-imlant weapons in unusual locations are for.

Sangre Y Acero and the Exotic Weapons Skill, I'm looking at you.

Quick, someone stat a breakdancing cyberninja.
Rotbart van Dainig
QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Dec 7 2010, 04:41 PM) *
Krav Maga is a pragmatic, living MA. If suddenly bows become viable weapons again, Krav Maga can be expanded with techniques to use bows more effectively.

Well, War! nw has software that allows you to hit a target with two ballistic attacks from the same pass simultaniously, combining damage – it works expressively for grenades… and bows.
Tyro
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Dec 14 2010, 04:03 PM) *
Well, War! nw has software that allows you to hit a target with two ballistic attacks from the same pass simultaniously, combining damage – it works expressively for grenades… and bows.



Sweet! I love bows ^_^
Cthulhudreams
QUOTE (Mäx @ Dec 8 2010, 02:13 AM) *
Krav Maga is just a name they gave to that particular set of advantages, it even list a couple other arts that have exactly the same benefits.
If he's using it only for bows, you could just use a name of some bow shooting art instead of krav mage.


The problem isn't that Krav maga is over powered, the problem is that it is literally the only good marital arts options. The rest range from meh to terrible.

Boost the others a bit and you'd see less dumb stuff like this imho. If you limited them to punching people you could make them AWESOME because punching is kinda limited when I'm shooting at you from 300m with an assault rifle.
InfinityzeN
The real problem comes from the fact that there are only two firearm based martial arts in the book, with only one of them useful outside of melee range. So if you use guns as the primary focus for your character, your only choices are Krav Maga (stuff that can help in any shooting situation) or Fire Fight (only helps while shooting in melee). Guess which one is going to get the nod every time?
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