So yesterday night I took a young lady out and we saw Sucker Punch. Even though it is a new release there was hardly anyone in the theater so it might not be doing well.

The film was weird. I mean, if you know my posts, I appreciate weird and quirky things, but this film was just exceedingly bizarre. Steampunk German World War I zombies...lead by German World War I Freddie Kreuger? Versus girls in sexy dance outfits equipped with contemporary rifles and submachineguns, and a mecha?

Also, I noticed in the first hallucinatory fight scene against the giant samurai that the protagonist doesn't ride the safety on her 1911 with her thumb, which is what you're supposed to do.

I just mentally don't know what to do with that.

My biggest thought during the movie was duing the scene where the evil pimp who reminds me of Andrew Ryan from Bioshock executes two girls in the changing room with a 1911. They have this whole elaborate plan to escape from the facility by stealing a map, setting a fire, and so on, but all they really needed to do was rush the pimp and stab him with the stolen knife while he was standing in front of them and handling the 1911, and get control of the 1911. He was waving it around and talking and if he were behaving in that manner it would be relatively easy to disarm him. Also, after he executed the two girls, and he was dangling the 1911 between his thumb and index finger and saying how he didn't like guns, it would have been absolutely easy for someone to simply snatch it away from him.

Simple plans are usually best.

Well, to be fair, she literally is a mental patient.

LOL, very true.

It was a fun movie to watch and seemed complex. The whole dance/war scenes kinda through me until I realized it was the same story just from different patients PoVs. There was a shocking undertone with the "dance scenes".

Overall fun movie, glad I saw it. Will probably get it when it comes out on DVD.

i watched the movie because i did not have to pay and because i did not think the movie could be as bad as the critics made it up to be . .
boy was i wrong . . hard to believe that it's from the same guy who did watchmen . .

So one up vote, one down. WR, is it worth my $30 (myself, the wife, and a bag of smarties?)

Well to be fair I probably spent around that much to take a girl out to see it, but the point of that exercise was moreso to take someone out than to see that film.

I think I'd feel a bit pissed if I spent $30 bucks to see that film, because on the whole it simply wasn't that good. It's all visuals and no content, IMO.

You need to take into consideration what your woman will think of the movie and you watching it too . .

So... wait for Netflix?

I have a 46" HDTV so I can approximate the theatre experience.



-k

Congratulations, Mr. Ronin. I hope things went/will go well.
As for the movie, I haven't seen it, but from the trailer it looks like the girls don't have big enough breasts for a correct Macho Women With Guns movie.

Not every young woman can do the boobs of steel thing.

Saw it yesterday too. On th overall I enjoyed the movie. Also, you never see Rocket, Blondie or Amber when she enters the hospital, but you do see Sweet Pea. The other three are supposed to be archetypes of Bay Doll's feelings or something.
Besides, the soundtrack is really good.
Just my two

How many of you liked Mission: Impossible, the Matrix series ... or better yet, Inception?

Yeah, this movie is basicly Inception, only as you go down the levels in the dream, the action goes up. And it doesn't feature men as the main characters. And there are sensei, samurias, cyborgs, zombies, nazis, dragons, orcs, pimps, moulin rouge, tactical nukes, mechs, military hardware fantasy porn...

I loved the movie, a definite to buy when it comes out on DVD for me.

I remember laughing (in my head) at the comments of other audience members when leaving the theatre from M:I, Matrix, and Inception as well, I don't really find myself caring that a movie that was a absolutely entertaining blast that somehow was too subtle for them to get when it felt like it was practically screaming its theme at me, especially when the character and tone of the music was still going with a big black screen at the end that pretty much forces the viewer to focus on the voice... Or maybe its just a theme that seems played out with audiences? That would seem bizarre to me, that's a theme that has been going pretty much since epic poems. *shrugs*

And the critics are almost always wrong, when do they ever have anything good to say unless the movie's producer sent their favourite hooker to their hotel room or it tickles their "art" fetish?

I greatly enjoyed the movie and thought it worth the cost of admission. That said, it is not for everyone. See comments above.

Oh come on. The first matrix movie had both great visuals and pertinent social commentary. They went downhill after the first movie.

What are you talking about?
There was only one Matrix movie.
There were only 3 Indiana Jones, Die Hard and Star Wars Movies.
I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA LA LA!

It's telling that anytime I watch the other Matrix movies, I just fast-forward to the action parts. Those were cool.

The rest, not so much.



-k

The only good part of the Matrix squeals was that I was able to use the Multi-Smith Attack on Neo as a good analogy to idi... Er, Less Computer Educated as a description of what a DDoS attack is.

I loved the first half and then ending the middle was shitty. I loved the movie. It is honestly good the lack of language is quite powerful, though where it is used early on it is quite good. I last half is what lets it down.

Personally I'm garbing the DVD on day 1. The opening was brilliant no talking but you got the entire story as to the set up. Zack defiantly knows how to tell a story with visualizes though he most likely needs to work on getting interaction solid and well centered.

Well, thank you very much. I am making a concerted effort to work on my personal growth and development and one way in which I am doing this is by learning about relationships.

I thought it was a representation of armies of 60 year old office workers making silly calls in to tech support.

I get up in the morning. That alone is major personal growth and development. Everything else after that is gravy.

Because the Evil Pimp was really just an unarmed orderly and he doesn't really have a gun.

Also, Baby Doll's inability to save the imaginary girls is a metaphor for the depression and learned helplessness produced by years of abuse at the hands of her stepfather and ultimately her inability to save her sister due to her actual tactical ineptitude, which is what drives her to sacrifice herself in the end.


She holds her 1911 incorrectly because she doesn't know how to hold it. She isn't a badass warrior. She's a little girl who has been raped repeatedly by her stepfather, who accidentally accidentally killed her sister trying to protect her from the same fate, and who was thrown into a mental institution because she didn't have the fortitude to speak up and tell the truth. She needs to pretend that she's a badass warrior so that she has the strength to go through with her plan, but it's all a lie.

Well, it's probably all a lie. With the Wise Man showing up at the end, and the anachronisms in the dream world battle sequences it is possible that they were all real somehow.

The thing to ask is: What is reality?

Shadows cast on the cave's walls.

What doesn't go away when you stop believing in it.

~J

That's the trick...

Reality is: HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE!
See this here very thread . .
In some people's reality, Sucker Punch was an OK / good movie . .
In MY reality? It sucks hard . .

Tell that to hallucinating schizophrenics.

Oh man, I am so glad someone else who watched this picked up on this stuff. What did you think of the ending when the screen went dark and it was still narrating before the credits rolled?

Streetlights. People. (oh hoh ohhhh)

Don't stop believin'.

"I attempt to disbelieve!"

How does one even do that?

Willpower, pure and simple.
Maybe it's a composure test under SR4, i don't know . .

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality

Traditionally, using logical deduction. Illusions are rarely perfect, either because they don't match physical reality or because they make no sense in context. The hero sees the logical inconsistencies in the illusion and calls it for what it is.

Hero A is treking through the desert on his way to fight the Dark Lord. At some point he encounters an oasis with a helpful old man who offers him water and directions. About half way through his second cup he notices that the old man isn't sweating, in spite of the fact that its over 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Then he notices that the water he's been drinking tastes a lot like sand. He calls the old man out and the whole oasis vanishes; it was all an illusion created by the Dark Lord to sidetrack him.

Hero B is treking through an old Romanian castle. He doesn't really believe in vampires, he was just separated from the tour group and can't find his way out. He did take a wooden stake, anyway. The tour guide insisted and it was free.

Along the way he finds a bedroom, and inside he sees Cindy Marshal and Heather Sims making out on the antique king-sized four-poster bed with silk sheets. They beckon him to join them, telling him that they come all the way to Romania to apologize for the way they treated him. They expose their considerable assets to his gaze. But he remembers that Cindy and Heather hate each other even more than they hate him. He remembers that no one back home knew he was going to Romania, he changed flights at the last minute. And he remembers that there is no way they could have beaten him down that old muddy road to this craphole village in the middle of the creepy old forest.
So he slams the door closed, and narrowly avoids being eaten by the Brides of Mackula.
Later, after all the vampires have been staked, be wonders if he made a terrible mistake. Sure, they were vampires, but they were hot vampires.

You also have to want to disbelieve. If it's something you desire greatly... Well... There's not much call to wish it away, is there?

Common sense. A poorly crafted illusion will obviously be an illusion. And even a well crafted one will have unignorable errors eventually.

The point of requiring a disbelief roll is to determine if your PC notices such errors. Obviously, you know that it's an illusion. So if illusions could be disbelieved automatically they'd be pretty much worthless.

Why are you sweating?




-k

What a great movie that was.

Work tech support. You'll find how uncommon "Common Sense" truly is.

i thought about actaully seeing this. chicks are hot. any hot lessie scenes?

none.

~J

its the story of baby doll as told by sweat pea

bah

and there was only one Back to the Future movies.... gah the other 2 were horrid.

Your one of the only people i know to say that, Back to the Future is generally held up as an example of a trilogy done right. Some liked the sequels less but i've always heard it chalked up to how hard it is to catch lightning in a bottle.

i had a problem with all the movies i guess, i wanted to like all 3 so badly, as the premise of the series is good. im a huge michael j fox fan, but yeah, the 1st movie was the only of the 3 that i really enjoyed.