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Gentlemen, start your engines.

It's Rigger time.

>BMW Blitzkrieg

Seriously now? We are now applying the Vladivostock Gauntlet level of writing onto Germany now?

Im merely moderately amused

ED: Also, telling from the list of contents its basically a SR4 Arsenal wrapup with alot of gearporn added. Guess nothing really new here either, business as usual.

The drones section drew heavily from Arsenal, Rigger 3, Rigger 2, and the Rigger Black Book, pulling a bunch of the old drones forward.

Then added about 35 more on top of that.

Expanded rules for chases, vehicle mod rules, quite a bit of fluff... give it a read, see whatcha think.

How many drones and how many vehicles are there in here?

Cant, its not yet on the torrent networks.

You brought really a BMW Blitzkrieg? I hope just next to the GM Genocide and the Harley C-Camp.

SYL

Its also noteworthy that this specific vehicle is to be found under the Millitary/Corpsec/Police section.

11 Motorcyles

23 Civilian Cars

1 RV

1 Big Rig

7 Municipal/Construction Vehicles, aka buses, dump trucks and other haulers

11 Corp/security/military vehicles (ranging from cars to monsters)

7 Powerboats

10 alternate watercraft,ranging from sailboats to luxury yachts and other.

10 Aircraft, ranging from copters to zeppelins to T-birds

46 drones spread over six size categories (mini to Huge), 6 Anthromorphic drones and 1 rigged missile(for when you want to make sure you got a hit, this time around they figured out how to avoid the dumpshock)

blitzkrieg is a word in common use in the english language today. it has no particularly negative connotations that i'm aware of. of all the things we love to hate the nazis/hitler for, blitzkrieg is not one of them.

i dunno why you guys have such a big problem with it. it wasn't a war crime, or anything particularly awful. just an effective way of fighting an enemy's military resources. there's nothing particularly offensive about it. the army that used the tactic happened to have political leaders who were remarkably horrible people, but you might as well say that "cavalry archer" is an offensive term because the mongols made extensive use of them and murdered a crudload of people in their time.

We invented it to crush Europe. But yes, why should you know or care?

SYL

Whatever the origins, you will find the term used quite a bit in the auto world because of it's implication of speed and power which may be why we see it here.

http://www.blitzkriegmotorcars.com/ a Canadian Auto Leasing company... can't blame the americans this time.

Blitzkrieg Autowerks, another Canadian company

Active Autowerke (okay, you can blame the Yanks this time, they are based in Florida) has their modded BMW M3 E92 Blitzkrieg which makes me wonder if one of the devs might not have seen this ride and decided to lift nand tweak the name.

Y'know, some of the writers are, like, right here.

I know.

SYL

Think he was referring by extension to Rule #5.

And Christmas comes early for me, How long until the print book comes out.

You might just trying to be funny, or not. Either way, piracy or its advocacy is not being tolerated around here (at least not the real world kind). Hence the aforementioned rule #5 in the terms of service. Please adhere to that. Thank you very much!

Bye
Thanee

"Cavalry Archer" is a generic term for a military unit. "Blitzkrieg", as opposed to something like "mobile combined arms", refers to a specific use of the tactic, which already constituted a war crime in itself (war of aggression), involved several other war crimes, and cannot be meaningfully separated from its objectives, which fully deserve the "particularly awful" moniker.

I know that ideas like the apolitical Wehrmacht, the SS as just a normal elite unit, or Rommel being a nice guy who just wanted some beach holidays in Haifa are somewhat popular in the US, but in BMW's homeland that kind of apologetics does not float.


On the positive side, at least "Blitzkrieg" is an actual German word, unlike "Teufelkatze" or "Stürmwagon"


PS: And shouldn't the "Corpsec/Police/Military" heading be one entry further up, so the "Vodyanoy Assault Hovercraft" is not listed as a municipal or construction vehicle?

But you know, its completely impossible for the US Authors to check with the DE Authors, if "Teufelkatze" or "Stürmwagon" should perhaps be "Teufelskatze" und "Sturmwagen".

SYL

Metal Umlauts.

I'd be totally fine with a "Stürmwagen" if it has enough chrome and spikes

But a police vehicle called "storm railroad car!" is bound to provoke some unfortunate misunderstandings...

I'm french and in so far, in the books about WW2 I've red, Rommel looked like to be a honorable guy, even if I'm not sure he would have tried to kill Hitler in the end.

First, Africa Corps were less dirty as the russian front.
Second, he was asked to suicide (he was seen as a hero of war so they couldn't judge him for treachery)
Third, he was thinking to betray and try to kill Hitler.

He's not at all in the category and Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels...


But well I digress.


On topic: I'm not offended a lot by a BMW Blitzkrieg, though I can see why it could be avoided as a name.

Just for You guys/Freelancer (or whoever is responsible ) to know
Germans don't have THAT much Ü -Words.
Its the Turkish who have way more words (and Fun) with ü

f.E
Düşündürttürücülüğümüzünmüş
Means : He whom we believe to have done did it for real

So next time You want to needlessly add an Ü in German words please check it beforehand with your German fellow writers as they should know it better

with a german (not a turkish ) Dance
Medicineman

Sounds like a one-track Mad Max car.
I approve of this concept.

More Stürmwägön, please.
With war horns, spikes and a stage car containing a metal band.

Sonst Kriegs(t)faust

You mean a StägeCäge on a Stürmwägön ?

with a belly Dänce
Medicineman

There's little honor to be had if the Einsatzgruppen are following in your footsteps.

Rommel's saving grace was that he failed hard in Africa, which of course makes the hero worship that tries to focus only on his military merits even more pathetic.

I just hope I got the "Executive Secretary" bit of German correct in the drones section.

Love you guys, love the language, but we have *got* to teach y'all about the space bar.

(For Battletech, way back in the day, I made an artillery piece called the 'Grossernussknacker' if I remember my spelling. ALL THE LETTERS.

You didn't.




Are you serious right now?

This is what I dont understand. Your German colleagues are literally 30 seconds away with an email / skype / Im / whatever. And yet, those incredible stupid stupid stupid German names (probably the same in other languages) remain. Why is it not simply possible to ask around "Hey guyes, I need some German names for some SK milspec verhicles"?

SYL

That's not only wrong in english but also in german . .
And it's one of the times when we would actually have used the space bar, which you complained about just then
grosser/großer is an adjective, not a noun. These NEVER go together. EVER. We ONLY Chain NOUNS together into horribly sentence words.

and yet, blitzkrieg is not the problem. the fact that Germany repeatedly broke treaties was certainly not great. the fact that afterwards people did horrible awful things in the conquered territories was certainly a problem. but I'm pretty sure the rest of the world, including the people that the tactic was used on, pretty much got over it in no time flat. dunno why y'all are holding on to it so tight.

there were many truly awful things that came from Nazi Germany. making overwhelming attacks that combine many different types of military resources in an attempt to break through an enemy's lines and strike from all sides was not one of them.

(and pretty much every country in the world has gotten involved in wars solely for the purpose of conquering someone and taking their stuff at some point, so it's a bit absurd to single the Nazis out for that and associate it with them as if nobody else ever did it).

The good news is that it's a correct compound and even means what you intended it to mean (without corny connotations)...but you missed the diacritics on "Sekretär". IMO missing diacritics are less bad than gratuitous ones, so 95/100



In other words, the things which happened in the one military campaign people associate with the word "Blitzkrieg".

Trying to separate the word from its historical associations is like claiming that "you pedophile nigger" actually is a compliment, because being "dark" is just a neutral description, and who would object to being called a "children's friend"?

But adjectives can turn into prefixes, as in Großstadt or Kleingartenanlage.


You'd need a Großrechner (mainframe), which is a großer Rechner, to make sense of German grammar.

I don't want to impose, but there must be more to the book than bungled German names.

blitzkrieg is not associated with much of anything other than the military tactic by the rest of the world. there is no "trying" to separate the word from the holocaust or the SS in the english langauge. those things were never part of the blitzkrieg (in fact, while we're at it, the term blitzkrieg was not part of blitzkrieg as far as i can tell... it's a word that everyone else made up to describe the style of combat, and nothing more. it does not inherently imply that the SS is following behind rounding people up for ethnic cleansing, because that was part of the occupation, not part of the assault).

the persecution of various groups began long before blitzkrieg was used, and their systematized murder did not begin until years after the time period blitzkrieg is most associated with (once people started figuring out how to deal with it, you don't hear as much about it, so it mostly sees a lot of use leading up to world war II and the early parts of that same war). there is absolutely nothing about blitzkrieg which was inherently attached to the mass murders conducted by the nazis. it is probable that the exact same things would have happened had the nazis conquered territories using any other military doctrine.

it is unfortunate that you seem to have gotten so fixated on the idea of smashing through the enemy lines, enveloping and flanking them, and applying pressure from all sides and sowing confusion in the back lines all using a combination of various military technological advances such as tanks, mechanized infantry, airplanes, etc being associated with the horrific things the nazis did, but as far as i can tell, the rest of the world does not now nor did it ever associate those things with anything other than the military doctrine.

the word blitzkrieg is used in a number of other places, as is the word blitz (which is largely used as a shortened form of blitzkrieg), without any stigma attached to it whatsoever.

You know, I've been hoist by my own petard before, and in public, but this was probably the *fastest*.

Kudos!

I'll be over here, in the COrner of Shame, to think about what I did.

And then there's this.

Some conversation about the book itself would be keen.

Be much obliged.

(goes back into his corner.)

and now for something completely different
...like the Discussion about the contents of the Rigger 5 Book

with a Fishslapping Dance
Medicineman

The Mod Slots for Vehicles/Mod Points for Drones is nice though actual vehicle cargo capacity has been left behind again.

So you can mod your ride and your drone fairly easily.

Still taking in the advanced driving rules and new actions offered.

And more material from the 1980's makes its way into the late 2070's. NeoNET Juggernaught = ED-209

Just do a google search for the word, what does the world's biggest database of word->content associations yield?


Anyway, for the content...anything on sensors, other than straight rating upgrades?

well, so far in the first 3 pages, nothing particularly associating it with the SS, the holocaust, mass murders, concentration camps, experimentation on humans, etc.

there are a few video games and board games (some of which are WW II, some not afaict). a miniatures company, a musician of some kind, numerous definitions (which as far as i can tell mention the military tactics but don't particularly relate them to war crimes).

and a few links using the word to refer to a rapid heavy assault on an opposing force, naturally. i mean, that *is* the definition.

and a few things related to world war II in general (including a book that seems to be talking about the history of hitler... probably the closest thing to associating the word to anything other than the military tactic, though i suspect the author or publisher just thought it sounded more exciting. could be wrong there, i certainly haven't read the book)

so, uhh... yeah, looks like the rest of the world seems to have moved on, as far as i can tell. certainly there is a connection to world war II (particularly 1941-42) and germany taking over most of europe. but nothing conclusively linking it to anything more than the military strategy that i can see, and definitely people using it for other things.

as far as i can tell, everyone else seems to have moved on. there's no particular stigma associated with the word (at least, not for english-speaking regions of the world) anywhere else that i can see. it's probably only a thing in germany.

I (f.E.) don't mind at all
and I'm one of those who was quite upset/disappointed from CGL's "Arbeit macht Frei" chapter in War!
THIS issue was distastefull. Namimg a German Assault vehicle Blitzkrieg is ..."PillePalle" ( a german Word which I don't have a comparision in english....maybe Easy Peasy ? I don't know ) compared to that blunder
It bothers me more that you US guys don't seem to be able to shut up about that Blitzkrieg Issue.
I think its a typical ...."YMMV" issue with German People or SR gamers in general

Hough!
Medicineman

So it seems the Dragonfly image praised on the Catalyst tumblr blog by Randall as one of his favourites didn't make it into Rigger 5.0: http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/13...gger-50-is-here What's up with that?


To be fair Sengir also wasn't fully prepared to let go. And since his location does not read "Köhle, Stähl ünd Bier" I assume he is from Germany.

Guys, maybe we should leave out the general assumptions toward either nationality before someone says something they may regret.

@lokii: You're right, unless that is a Dragonfly under the red targeting reticule behind the big 5 on the cover.
Guess Randall liked it so much he didn't want to share it with the book.

Such pretty art! But, sadly, sometimes you have to kill your babies. I think it was just a casualty of the cover's "frame".

I'm still collecting errors, by the by. There's a *tight* window before the print copy goes out, so, any typos or the like that need addressing, let me know ASAP and I'll pass them up the chain.

Just as a friendly reminder, the my claim was that "'Blitzkrieg', as opposed to something like 'mobile combined arms', refers to a specific use of the tactic". And your "numerous definitions" show exactly that: When defining the word Blitzkrieg, people don't talk about the Gulf War or something, they talk about Case White/Yellow/Blue.

Given that you are already busy moving the goalposts you've probably figured that out yourself, and there's little value in browbeating you into admitting it publicly.


Speaking of artwork, what is the strategy for illustrations? A few images sprinkled throughout the text (like in the BBB), or composite image of everything (like Arsenal)?

Concerning the artwork, it's images sprinkled through rather than having a series of smaller images fpr everything.
However when they do an image it is about half of a page and very nice artwork.

So some folk are really jazzed to see their favourite done up while others look wistfully on wishing their toy had been highlighted for some artwork.

@ Waki: Do you think you could drop a word in someone's ear about maybe gathering the equipment art from the various books to consolidate them along with some extra art for items not drawn to date into an image catalog, probably offered as an e-book?

Doesn't necessarily even have to be in colour, B&W with shading would still be useful for a lot of players/GMs when looking at equipment.

I'd love to see "missing" art. The older drones, for instance, all have art from older editions, but, the new players haven't seen it. (As a for instance)

As long as not evreything is resused, because some of the old pictures looked like molten plastic.

SYL