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rel
I am looking for information on bribes. Specifically for seattle in 2072 but any information people have found or come up with would be appreciated.

Just what will it cost you to have the KE highway patrol overlook your out of date (read fake) licence
How much does the border guard need to be tipped to not search your van
what will it cost to get the bouncer on the door to let you into the restricted event

that sort of thing.
DireRadiant
QUOTE (rel @ Mar 21 2016, 12:01 AM) *
Just what will it cost you to have the KE highway patrol overlook your out of date (read fake) licence


Enough to make the PC think about getting a better fake license. That 200 nuyen fake license failed? Bribe/Fine them from 100 to 300 nuyen and hint that a better fake license might be worth it. For some real fun have the KE HP offer to sell them a fake license...

QUOTE (rel @ Mar 21 2016, 12:01 AM) *
How much does the border guard need to be tipped to not search your van


100 to 500 nuyen. Think of a border crossing permit as a (fake) license to cross borders.

QUOTE (rel @ Mar 21 2016, 12:01 AM) *
what will it cost to get the bouncer on the door to let you into the restricted event


This one is a little different in that I usually tie this to the PC lifestyle. If the PC is at the same or higher lifestyle as the club they can get in without a bribe. e.g. lifestyle costs pay for the bribe in terms of either having the petty cash to do it or looking right for the club. PC with lifestyle lower have to pay a bribe or pay to get dressed well enough to get in. The higher the lifestyle that attends the club the higher the costs. And the cost should be enough to make a PC think about wanting that higher lifestyle.
FriendoftheDork
Quick answer would be: It depends on the person and the risk he takes to accept the bribe.

Longer answer:
Having a base bribe cost for typical bribes is a good thing, but you should make modifiers to this when suitable. Also, for each situation ask yourself:
- How much is bribery accepted in the social group of the target?
- What are the penalties if the target is revealed to have taken a bribe?
- What is the basic lifestyle or income of the target? You can't expect to bribe someone with 100 nuyen if he makes that in an hour of work, maybe not even if he makes that in a day. Again, it depends on risk. If there is absolutely no consequence to be expected the bribe can be very low depending on how much hassle it is and how much everyone else pays.

Baseline:
High risk, high chance of being caught: Cost is several months of target's lifestyle, maybe enough to retire early. Example: 100 000 nuyen to bribe a CorpSec lieutenant into giving plans and details for the high-tech site he works on. (medium lifestyle)

Medium risk, moderate chance of being caught: Bribing the Knight Errant officers who catches you smuggling a large shipment of BTLs, by offering a cut of the BTLs. 10 000 nuyen worth could suffice. (medium lifestyle)

Low risk, low chance: Getting the bouncer to let you in backstage on a popular event (ork rap concert): 500 nuyen assuming the bouncer is on Low lifestyle, maybe 100-200 nuyen if on Squatter.


If these numbers look high to you, Im betting it's because you are thinking from the perspective of what the runners are willing to part with rather than what the NPC is willing to betray his integrity. In most cases it is much cheaper to threaten the Corspec Lieutenant into giving up plans or to steal information from him than to bribe him.
Zednark
Remember kids, you don't need bribes if you have blackmail. wink.gif
FriendoftheDork
QUOTE (Zednark @ Mar 22 2016, 05:43 AM) *
Remember kids, you don't need bribes if you have blackmail. wink.gif


Well, maybe, but sometimes a bribe carries less risk than someone trying to call your bluff or thinks the consequences of the blackmail material is less than the consequences of obeying you.
Iduno
Specific to KE by RAW in SR5 (your table might be different), they are allowed to accept and keep a bribe with no repercussions only if they also arrest you and report the bribe. If you're lucky enough to get a former LS member who got demoted when KE took over the contract, they may be willing to look the other way to make KE look bad (and, of course, the bribe) out of habit and spite. If they're KE born and raised, and brainwashed like a good wage slave, things will go bad whether or not you try to bribe them. There's probably no way to tell until you get caught, so the players will want to have a plan B. Anyone know of a percent of officers in the field that are former LS? Even better if it's a breakdown by area, but I'm guessing they got a lot of the bad postings (c or d zones).


QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Mar 22 2016, 10:33 AM) *
Well, maybe, but sometimes a bribe carries less risk than someone trying to call your bluff or thinks the consequences of the blackmail material is less than the consequences of obeying you.


or if they think you'll blackmail them to keep quiet about what you made them do, and make it a cycle. Offering the evidence in trade and being willing to walk away once they've done what they're told will mitigate that, but it's tough to trust someone who's blackmailing you.
rel
I can't see the KE policy actually changing things on the ground. The officers know that if they follow the rules they might get a few bribes legitimately but they will also get a reputation as unbribable. Six months later the bribes will dry up and 10 years on they will be working the same dead end job for not quite enough pay to make a low lifestyle having missed out on close to a decade of tax free extra income.
Iduno
QUOTE (rel @ Mar 23 2016, 08:36 PM) *
I can't see the KE policy actually changing things on the ground. The officers know that if they follow the rules they might get a few bribes legitimately but they will also get a reputation as unbribable. Six months later the bribes will dry up and 10 years on they will be working the same dead end job for not quite enough pay to make a low lifestyle having missed out on close to a decade of tax free extra income.


I think they already have that reputation. Also, the reputation for being the shoot first, requisition more bullets later types. KE aren't quite Firewatch, but it is the corp that nuked Chicago.

Am I remembering right that Ares (they do fit that moniker) is loosely based on OCP from Robocop?
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