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apollo124
I have to admit that I kind of look forward to seeing the new version of Shadowrun. After all, I have stuck around from the beginning of time, since anxiously awaiting the release of the Grimoire, 1st ed.

But my big question is if/when are we going to get new novels set in the Shadowrun universe? I have, of course, read all of the previously published ones, many of them several times each. I liked most of them, some more than others obviously.

Any kind of official "yes" answer will be met with glee and a fistful of cash.

lord_cack
biggrin.gif Yes Please grinbig.gif
RunnerPaul
I agree that it's time for WizKids to license out some novels. I seem to remember hearing something about them trying to save any novels until the Action Figure Clix SR game got off the ground, so that they could possibly have tie-ins between the Clix game and the novels. If that is true (I could just be mis-remembering something that might have been only a rumor anyways), WizKids needs to just accept the fact that the SR Clix game isn't going anywhere and that they have a RPG line that the novels could be supporting.
Kagetenshi
It would be nice. I've got a few ideas for a proposal waiting for the day they open the door up.

~J
Demonseed Elite
You're not the only one waiting. cool.gif
Elve
In Germany 2 of the SR Clix Novels are already published...
Vuron
Honestly from what I understand the softbound book marketplace is not exactly chomping at the bit for more licensee fiction. As I've heard it described many editors have x number of slots that they can publish in during a given year and that they are kinda reluctant to devote those slots to licensee fiction because a) it doesn't make a huge amount of money and b) it's not a way to develop thier careers and c) it's boring for them. Granted that seemed to be the situation a few years back with some of the publishers and the circumstances might've changed but from what I understand the paradigm is pretty different in that marketplace and extremely competitive.

Not that I wouldn't like to see some more books (of good quality) but I'm not exactly holding my breath either.
Bigity
I might be clix things if there were small (like...you know, minis?), so I could use them in a tabletop game.

I'm not buying a fucking Cabbage Patch doll for SR.

Novels would be a mixed bag. I really like about 2, liked a few more, and completely hated the rest.
hermit
Depends on what the novels would be like? Like the early ones, which were comparatively well-written and not too uber? Most certainly. Like Dragonheart? HELL NO!
mintcar
That guy writing Forgotten Realms novels... Salvatore? Didzz DoDo Urrd.. ehh.. do you know who I mean? He´s widely popular even amongst people who do not play rpg´s. On account of goth chicks who love the Drow. So it seems it´s possible to write successful licensed fiction.

And could we please get something that is not modeled after a gaming session? Something like Nigel Findley´s novels. It´s not necessary to make the heroes of a book work in the same way as a team of player characters.
RunnerPaul
Here's a scary thought I just had. Suppose they make a novel about a Night One elf Street Samurai who's favored style is akimbo Ares Scimitar heavy pistols. Not that Areas has a heavy pistol by the name of Scimitar yet, but the thought still gives me the willies.
Bigity
And a magic ally spirit in the form of a panther.
mintcar
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Vuron
QUOTE (Bigity)
And a magic ally spirit in the form of a panther.

If it can turn into a panzer in an alternate form then we have a winner!
Cynic project
I want more books about Wolf and Raven,Zip and Zap, Fastjack's crew. Come on Fastjack is in it. How can you beat fastjack? He would totally school an AI.....

NO more TALON. No more QUICKSILVER.....
Vuron
Unfortunately the best SR novel writer is sadly deceased and the likelihood of my second tier (dowd and stackpole) doing new novels is pretty much nil. Of course it could be worse we could have someone like Kevin J Anderson writing novels wink.gif
psykotisk_overlegen
That's just scary.


I don't know about new novels. I'd probably buy them, but for the moment I'm trying to find some of the old ones. Wich is a bit difficult when I live in Norway and I'm not willing to pay more for postage than for the books themselves.
Bob the Ninja
What about a site like Battlecorps? That way TPTB could gage the market for new novels.
Paul
Count my people on board as wanting some quality books!
Synner
QUOTE (psykotisk_overlegen @ Mar 29 2005, 10:13 PM)
I'd probably buy them, but for the moment I'm trying to find some of the old ones. Wich is a bit difficult when I live in Norway and I'm not willing to pay more for postage than for the books themselves.

Try Leisure Games in London, they ship across Europe and aren't expensive. Last time I was there they still had quite a few SR novels in stock (admittedly this was a while ago).
Paul
Okay while we're sitting around fantasizing over novels, who would you like to see write them? Who's your dream author in SR? Or authors?

I have a short list of people I'd like to see do various stuff, in no particular order:
  • Tom Clancy. I dig long descriptions of highly tehnical stuff. I mean really dig them. I'd like to se him write a serious SR novel.
  • Stephen King. Only one short story. That's all.
  • Alan Miller. Same thing-one short story, no more.
  • Stephen Hawking. I'd love to see him write some stuff for SR.
  • John Grisham.
  • Richard Dawkins. Give him Danchekkers!
  • Orson Scott Card. Hey he's writing fro Iron man, why not SR?
  • Jerry Pournelle. He owns.
And yourself?
RunnerPaul
QUOTE (Paul)
Okay while we're sittign around fantasizing over novels, who would you like to see write them? Who's your dream author in SR? Or authors?

I think Timothy Zahn's take on SR could be interesting.
DrJest
QUOTE
And yourself?


Larry Niven. One of the few sci-fi writers capable of a good detective mystery.

Harry Harrison. He could equally well turn out a comical "Stainless Steel Rat" type of novel or a deadly serious tale.

Simon R. Green. Pulp-fiction goodness. When it comes to butt-kicking, wise cracking heroes and lots of action, he is simply king (Hawk and Fisher, the Deathstalker stuff). I could see him having a lot of fun with the magic side of SR particularly.

Garth Ennis and/or Warren Ellis, for a SR graphic novel. Nuff said.
Demosthenes
Warren Ellis kicks ass.

Iain Banks could be fun too...
Patrick Goodman
While I'd love to see some SR novels (have an idea for a couple, in fact), WizKids seems pretty set on not doing any. There are, apparently, a couple of Duels-based books out, but there seems no indication whatsoever that WK wants to do anything other than that.

Sigh. frown.gif

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing some of the current freelancers take on a novel. I think Jon's got some interesting characters, as does Elissa. I'd do one or two, and I've got a couple of shorts featuring a couple of characters from some of my articles that I'd like to do something with.

I think Steven Brust would do something interesting and literary with SR, as would Emma Bull. Tom Clancy, as mentioned, might be interesting if we could rein in some of his sillier plot tendencies. Laurell K. Hamilton (Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter) might be interesting, too. I'll second Stephen King, too, as long as he sticks to a short story or two, maybe a novelette (Different Seasons is one of my favorite books of all time).
Cougaar
I'd love to read a SR book by Ben Elton - dark British humour at its best

Or better yet, have him write a Shadowrun TV series..

*has sudden vision of "Blackadder in the 6th world"*
*starts creating NPCs like mad*

this is going to be FUN.. I have a cunning plan!!

Critias
I think it might be cool if they published a collection of short stories, rather than an outright novel, to break in SR4 -- it'd get more writers involved (always a good thing, and a good way to see who really shines and who might get a shot at their own novel), and it could very easily involve more characters, more situations, etc, etc; rather than a novel that centered around two or three character types in a specific setting, a compilation piece could have stories here, stories there, stories everywhere (and about everything). It could be a great way to cover the five years we're skipping over, have a story here or there about some of the loose ends, have stories here and there about decking changes and how they affect people IC...

It's much easier to talk to eight or ten people (with the pool of people ready and waiting and willing and wanting to write for Shadowrun) about a short story each, than to find one person and have him try to tackle a whole novel. You're also more like to have a "hit some, miss some" sort of scenario for an SR4 launch sort of initial paperback -- there'll be SOME story in there for everyone to like, instead of (for instance) a story all about a mage (or a sammie, or a decker, or just some character no one likes) that could turn a lot of potential new Shadowrun fans off.

Compilation, bay-bee. It's the way to go.
Demosthenes
QUOTE (Cougaar)
I'd love to read a SR book by Ben Elton - dark British humour at its best

Or better yet, have him write a Shadowrun TV series..

*has sudden vision of "Blackadder in the 6th world"*
*starts creating NPCs like mad*

this is going to be FUN.. I have a cunning plan!!

[Blackadder]
"Mr Johnson, don't worry. Baldrick and I have handled jobs like these thousands of times in the past."

[Baldrick]
"No we haven't..."

[Blackadder] *Hits Baldrick*
"Shut up Baldrick. I have a plan, and it's so cunning, you could stick wings on it and call it Lofwyr!".

[Baldrick] *looks worried*
Bigity
lololol

The Baby-Eating Bishop of Aztechnology!

I am Lord Melchie Melchie. You can call me, Mr. Johnson.

Black Adder is kind of a street handle already smile.gif
DrJest
QUOTE
Laurell K. Hamilton


Mm... that depends... I like her work, but she does have an obssession with her main characters shagging anything that moves.

QUOTE
I think it might be cool if they published a collection of short stories, rather than an outright novel, to break in SR4


The first SR book published was a short story collection called Into The Shadows. I recall it had a number of apparently unrelated stories by different authors; then, in the final couple of stories by... Stackpole, I think it was, the narrative touches on all of the previous ones and shows them to have all been connected to the overall master plan. It was a good idea.
Fortune
To take the short story idea even further, I wouldn't seeing a shared world type series, much like Thieves World novels.
HMHVV Hunter
This subject has me thinking about something:

I'm currently working on a series of short stories starring my vampire hunter adept, Helios. The project is currently in its very early stages (I'm on at the second story right now and I'm working on this thing whenever I can get time away from my classwork), but I'd really like to look into getting it published once I'm finished.

Now as I understand things (and correct me if I'm wrong on any of this), I'd have to go through some very specific channels to get this published in the future, since SR is an established universe and I'm just making a contribution to it.

My question: does anyone know what my options are if I were to try to get this published when its finished? I have no clue how the process works, so any help would be useful.
RunnerPaul
QUOTE (DrJest)
QUOTE
Laurell K. Hamilton


Mm... that depends... I like her work, but she does have an obssession with her main characters shagging anything that moves.

Well, it has been a while since we've had a novel about Sally Tsung.

Grin, Duck, Run...
Garland
QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Mar 31 2005, 08:06 AM)
Laurell K. Hamilton (Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter) might be interesting, too.

Please, please, please no vampire circle-jerk. I'm sorry Patrick, but I think that's a poor idea.

Edit: Wait, didn't we already get something of the sort in one of those Striper novels?
Patrick Goodman
QUOTE (DrJest)
QUOTE
Laurell K. Hamilton

Mm... that depends... I like her work, but she does have an obssession with her main characters shagging anything that moves.

Yeah, Anita does get laid a lot, doesn't she?

I think that could be reined in without much trouble, though. I just happen to like her style in the Anita Blake novels.
Patrick Goodman
QUOTE (Garland)
QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Mar 31 2005, 08:06 AM)
Laurell K. Hamilton (Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter) might be interesting, too.

Please, please, please no vampire circle-jerk. I'm sorry Patrick, but I think that's a poor idea.

Why would it automatically be a "vampire circle-jerk"? Just because she writes about vampires in her own books doesn't mean she would automatically write about vampires in SR books. I also said nothing about wanting her to write about vampires in SR. We're just throwing out writers we like, whom we'd like to see write SR novels; I happen to like her writing and would like to see what she could do in the SR world. Get a grip.
Garland
Well, that sort of thing would be what she's known for... I suppose what I'm saying is that I would be worried the apple wouldn't fall far from the tree.

Anyway, this is all just throwing names around and nothing will ever come of it. Maybe I was really just voicing my distaste for that entire genre rather than protesting anything really SR relate. I shall reserve further comment.
Zolhex
Hey here is a NOVEL idea (sorry for the pun).

How about some new SR novels by the writers that did the orignal novels seeing as they do understand the world and how it works for the most part.

But hey that is just my opinion which is as always worth nada but hey I like to here myself talk I guess so whatever.
apollo124
QUOTE (HMHVV Hunter)
Now as I understand things (and correct me if I'm wrong on any of this), I'd have to go through some very specific channels to get this published in the future, since SR is an established universe and I'm just making a contribution to it.

My question: does anyone know what my options are if I were to try to get this published when its finished? I have no clue how the process works, so any help would be useful.

Here is the link to the official writer's guidelines page from the official site.

http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/fanpro/writers...uidelines.shtml

Hope this helps.
MYST1C
It could be a first step to translate the bunch of German novels published in the past years to English.
Of course, they are SR3* and some (not all) are set in Germany, not Seattle.

(* Some are old enough to be SR2 - but those aren't very good anyway.)
hermit
Argh. The HJ Alpers books? Don't remind me ... >_<

Anyway, I read a piece of a new book at a friend's and actually, it was fairly decent. Soem of the German ones can - and should - be translated.
Vuron
Maybe something written by China Mievelle would be great. Granted Perdido Street Station might be better described as steampunk but I think the author could handle the material appropriately.

As for Stephen King I think a Roland Deschane style character over a huge number of novels would be very fitting and personally I tend to like his descriptive gun battles (particularly the one in the drawing of the three with Roland and Eddie versus the Mafia goons)
RunnerPaul
QUOTE (Casazil)
How about some new SR novels by the writers that did the orignal novels seeing as they do understand the world and how it works for the most part.

We'd love to see that, but unfortunately, the one the most people would want would require some high-end necromantic riturals to get him back into writing.
hermit
Yeah. And the main problem is that these stupid rituals just don't work! Even afte rrepeating the procedure several times, reciting every word correctly, and doing all the other thinsg by the book! Not to mention how tedious finding a blonde, good looking 16 year old virgin these days is.
DrJest
QUOTE
I think that could be reined in without much trouble, though. I just happen to like her style in the Anita Blake novels.


Agreed. And believe it or not, the Anita Blake stuff IS reined in compared to her Merry Gentry books. I bought the first two (I think there's a third out now) on a 2 for £5 deal, and was stunned at how long she took to get the story actually going against the backdrop of "Faerie Folks Get Laid".

But Anita - especially early Anita - is my kind of heroine. Tough, good with the wisecracks, and doesn't bend the knee easily. It's just a shame Hamilton's got to indulge her soft-porn tendencies so often biggrin.gif

In all honesty, it's worth reading the Anita Blake books, especially the earlier ones, as a kind of setting feel for Shadowrun. Although she's got a bit more of a World of Darkness feel to the stories, the pervasive nature of magic and its effect on the daily world is put across pretty well.
Vuron
QUOTE (DrJest)
But Anita - especially early Anita - is my kind of heroine. Tough, good with the wisecracks, and doesn't bend the knee easily. It's just a shame Hamilton's got to indulge her soft-porn tendencies so often biggrin.gif


Actually I suspect that she or her editors realize that the soft core porn aspect to her books is why she sells. It's really no different than say JD Robb's future mysteries etc. Soft core romantic porn sells really well to a good section of the reading public (I would suggest that's because that section doesn't get that need met by thier real life partner).
warrior_allanon
personally i would like to see David Webber (Honor Harrington) and John Ringo (Hym Before Battle/ March Upcountry) take a shot at it, i agree with the votes and limitations on Stephen King, though i would like to see Rose Red make an appearance in SR unfortunately i have to agree with the problems most see with Laurell K Hamilton doing SR, but would like to see Terry Goodkind give it a shot

Vuron
My problem with the Honor Harrington Books is her being fundamentally superhuman in capabilities. Part of the appeal of SR is while there are extremely capable characters they need to function in teams. Sometimes a good deal of authors make thier characters far to capable to be believable.
Toa
Who I'd like to see writing Shadowrun Novels? Chuck Palahniuk (Fight Club, et al), that's who!
winterhawk11
QUOTE
Who I'd like to see writing Shadowrun Novels? Chuck Palahniuk (Fight Club, et al), that's who!


Oh, hell yeah! biggrin.gif That would truly be excellent.
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