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Bull
I'd like to send a big shout out to new Assistant Line Developer Arnie Trachtenberg and Adam's Jury's sister Ada for helping me put this together. Since there are so many questions going around, we thought we'd step in and answer a few more of your burning questions:

1. Is the core rules mechanic in SR4 going to remain the same? i.e. roll a number of dice equal to your skill or attribute against a TN and count how many of the dice are successful.

It is similar, but at the same time very different. We think you'll be very pleased at the unique way we have of both rolling the dice and counting out successes. Plus, the new Shadowrun Dice Sets™ will come with nifty lead shielding to prevent radiation posoining.

2. Will there be dice pools in SR4?

This question still confuses Assistant Line Developer Arnie Trachtenberg. He wonders what purpose swimming pools shaped like a dice serve. Ada and I echo that sentiment.

3. Has the Saito situation been resolved in the CFS by 2070?

No. In fact, the situation only gets worse. When General Saito falls in love with the elven daughter of a member of the Tir Council that can't be named at this time. This leads to a conflict within his own beliefs, and his troops splinter and hostilities escalate rapidly. Assistant Line Developer Arnie Trachtenberg hinted at a Harlequin Style adventure set for 2006 which deals with this plot.

4. Will any of the AAA megacorps die or become significantly stronger due to the matrix crash?

Yes. Several AA's will decide to merge in an attampt to gain power, and form a new AAA. Meanwhile Cross and Novatech go to war. Sides are chosen by all of the Mega's, and in the end, both companies fold and are bought out by the various other mega's who "encouraged" the Corp War. Resident Loon Art Dankwalther is severely pissed at being left out, and declares war on the remaining mega's. No one pays him any attention.

5. Will there be a complete rehash of the vehicle rules in order to implement them into combat more easily? Will the rules be able to do a shootout chase with different vehicles?

That's 2 questions. I was ging to disqualify you, but I'll be nice. Plus, Ada thinks you're cute, so you get a freebie.

At this time vehicle combat is planned to be a part of the new ShadowDiceless™ Combat System. This new system will hopefully encourage a fast paced, cinematic "widescreen" feel to certain areas of the game that were once bogged down in rules and dice. Now you simply tell the GM what you want to do, and he tells you how badly you failed!

6. I would really like to see some comments on what we might expect as far as the magic system is concerned. How much change and the very general nature would be nice...

Magic will likewise be using the ShadowDiceless™ Combat System, so see above. However, it should be noted that there will be far more opions for magically active characters. Shamanic Traditions will be further fleshed out and differentiated from each other, so that they're more than just a little flavor and some dice bonuses. Mages will be able to access different tradtions, such as Necormancy, Nethermancy, and Technomancy.

7. We've heard about a Matrix 2.0 and how Deckers and Riggers are being merged into Hackers, and how Augmented Reality and Wireless connectivity will be the tool that frees Hackers to become mobile digital wizards. How ubiquitous will this Augmented Reality be to the everyday citizen in 2070, and will it require an implant to access? If there is an implant, is there a non-cyberware alternative? And finally, how does all this wireless connectivity impact the SINless?

As I said in another thread, almost every character in the Shadowrun universe will have wireless nanotech imbedded within their brain. It's a standard procedure for al newborns in 2070, and is cheap enough that most folks have them. For those that are too poor or too technophobic to get the nanite injection, there are trode rigs that can interface with the augmented reality.

As forthe SINless, they don't actually exist, so who the frag cares about them?

8. Are we going to have more art (pictures) of equipment and other gear in this new edition?

Not at first. It's just not financially feasible to do in today's market, with printing costs and artists fees being what they are. Not to mention the sheer overwhelming amount of gear there is in Shadowrun.

However, FanPro does plan to release limited edition, hardbound, full color gear Books that will include full pictures and shadowtech for every item in the Shadowrun universe. This was mentioned in the earlier Rumor thread, but since then the plans for this series have changed slightly.

The new book series will be called Encyclopedia Shadowrunnica, and will be a 10 volume set. It will include books such as "Cyberware", "Magical Artifacts", "Vehicles", "Guns, guns, and more Guns", as well as more useful books such as "Sears Catalogue 2070" and "Modern Clotheshorse". Now fans of the SHadowrun universe will never have to use their imagination again to envision what the objects in the world look like!

The Ecyclopedia set will be subscription based, with the first volume appearing in January of 2006, and a new book shipping each month. Fans will be able to acquire a subscription for the low price of $499.99 initially, with 6 additional payments of $99.99 after.

Order today, as supplies are limited!

9. Is some "mobile digital wizard" going to be able to perform in a vehicle using a control method similar to captain's chair the same as a 3rd edition jacked-in rigger in direct control?

Basically, yes. Using a the Wireless Nanotech Interface, everybody is able to remotely rig their vehicle. Rigger-Specialized Hackers will simply do it better than everyone else.

10. Is the new dice mechanic at present completely different from the current one, or is it at least familiar?

Yes and no.

11. If it is different, how much of a learning curve was there when it was first introduced to you and how do you, personally, like it compared to the old one?

Depends on whether or not you play D20. Studies and playtesting have shown that it takes the average d20 player far longer to learn the new mechanics. There is no logical reason for this that our scientists can find, other than possible brain tumors caused by D20.

12. Are Attributes and Skills of equal merit to the new system for purposes of task resolution, or is one (you don't have to say which one) clearly more dominant position to the other as far as determing success is concerned?

Both are important, but numbers are arbitrary anyways. It will be up to each individual GM to decide how much emphasis each gets in his or her own game.

13. If the mechanic is new, is the curve it creates an actual curve, or a freaky convolted mess like the current mechanic?

The current system is incredibly easy and straight forward, so I'm not sure what you mean.

14. If it is a new mechanic, is it fun? And if you had to choose between the two mechanics, which one would you rather use?

If a dice is rolled in the forest, and no one is around to hear it, is it still fun? When nyou can answer that question, you will know all.

15. Actually, anyone else more worried that the Mage/Shaman identities will be folded together, like the Decker/Rigger move? In the interest of streamlining, those two probably have more in common than Riggers and Deckers.

Mages and Shamans are already folded together. They're identical except in very small, flavorful ways, with Spirits vs Elementals being the sole exception. However, in Shadowrun 4th Edition we're adding some more options to the mix, to help further seperate the two. Expect Riggers and Deckers to be similar to this design. Identical at their core, but with enough flavor and options to make them seem different.

16. oh my god! he didn't mention adepts! THAT MEANS THEY"RE GONNA BE TURNED INTO CATGIRLS!

Actually, Catgirls will be a new playable race. They can be Adepts, Mundane, or even Mages, Hackers or Street Samurai.

17. They're not moving away from generic D6s, are they?

Correct. We now use our patented 2d6™ System, which will require special, unique dice to play.

18. As I understand it, the d6 will still have a strong place in SR4. for instance, it's used for shortsword damage, and also determines the Invisible Way adept's hp per level.

Incorrect. 2d6 determines both of these, and much much more.

19. Does this mean that there are different types of dice?[/b}

In a way. Player will purchase our Shadowrun Dice Sets™ and each set will be unique unto itself. We can't divulge any other information at this time however.

[b]20. A favorite part of the matrix of mine is the Otaku. Will they be staying on and in what capacity with the dawn of the augmented reality Matrix 2.0?


See the Rumor COntrol thread with regardsw to the Otaku-centric RPG Tits & Zits.

21. Will the Matrix 2.0 be more like the Astral plane where a hacker will shift over while leaving his physical body behind and do things like jack into a nearby computer or take control of a nearby camera and what not? That's what I think of when I hear the term digital wizard.

No comment.

22. Not a question, a demand. Don't kill Novatech, they are my favorite megacorp. We ran First Run and got to meet Richard Villiers and he was nice to us, don't let anything happen to him!

Not an answer, a demand. Not only will he die, but you will personally kill him in the first adventure arc of SR4!

23. Any chances of giving us some info on some hot new tech in the more distant future of SR4? What has developed? Plasma weapons or something like that?

Plasma Weapons? Wouldn;t know anything about that. Nope, nosiree. No plasma weapons here...

24. Any new types of goblinization or SURGE, any new metavariants or new races in general?

Catgirls, for one.

25. Any new types of goblinization or SURGE, any new metavariants or new races in general?

Atually, yes. See the 1st Edition Module Dragonhunt and Eliohann's entry in Dragons of the Sixth World.

More later!!

Bull -- Evil Faqqer
SykoBear
Bull, aren't you a day early for this? biggrin.gif
RunnerPaul
No, he isn't. Bull's like that 367 days a year.

And you better watch out, Bull, I think you accidently let a few reassuringly real answers slip out in that batch. You're slipping.
Paul
You really ought to add a disclaimer to these. It takes a few sentences to realize you're just posting a joke.
RunnerPaul
It's Bull, people. The screen name is all the disclaimer anyone should need. biggrin.gif

Bull: The Dumpshocker, The Myth, The Legend
Tanka
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Demosthenes
Bull doesn't need a disclaimer.

Bull is a disclaimer!
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the_dunner
QUOTE (Bull)
When General Saito falls in love with the elven daughter of a member of the Tir Council that can't be named at this time.  This leads to a conflict within his own beliefs, and his troops splinter and hostilities escalate rapidly.  Assistant Line Developer Arnie Trachtenberg hinted at a Harlequin Style adventure set for 2006 which deals with this plot.

I'm really looking forward to the musical version of this one. Will they just adapt new lyrics from the West Side Story melodies, or are is Fanpro bringing a composer on board? rotfl.gif
Adam
Composers? Got them.
Backgammon
Weird melding of answers and sillyness... kinda like staring at one of those "magic eye" drawings.

Of course I'm one of those that could never see the 3D picture.

"Ahh, a sailboat"
Bull
26. 6) Will there be any type of edge/flaw mechanic built into the core rules, and if so, is it going to be handled in a way similar to how it's been handled or will is it completely new in its implentation? As a follow-up, if there is one, how do you like it compared to the current way of things?

I'll let Assistant Line Developer Arnie Trachtenberg field this question.

Edges and Flaws are for sissies. It's pansey-ass coddling for the little kiddies who play these games nowadays. All they want is crap they can ignore so they can powergame. In house, about half the flaws in the book we call "Fledges", because they're used as edges in disguise. Munchkins, the lot of them! Back in my day, you didn't pick no sissy Edges and Flaws for bonus points and to help twink out your character. You made a background, and you added in problems and fears and addictions and waht not, because it was what made a character human! You played it up cause you were a real roleplayer! Back in my day...

He goes on for a couple more paragraphs, but you get the point. Despite his opinions though, yes, there will be Edges and Flaws. They will work much the same, though expect Edges to cost a lot more, and expect flaws to either be worth a lot less, to have much better defined and more heavy handed penalties, or mostly a bit of both. We feel strongly that Flaws should be just that, a flaw, something that actively hiunders your character on a regular basis

27. Any hope of getting new novels in SR4?

Yes, there are 3 books already written, and 9 more on the way. However, these are only being published in Sanscrit, and will only be available for some reason at 7-11's in Chicago, Iowa, Mississippi, and France.

Bull.
lord_cack
Man I always knew that college education would pay off....."Who speaks sanskrit?"....Thats what my family always said to me....you see everything does have a purpose.
nezumi
I really need to start taking my heart medication before reading these... Short sword damage. Heh.

It's funny, I keep hearing people say they should make up their own rumors, so they can properly control (or deny) them. Only in Shadowrun do you actually get to see it happen...
Jon Szeto
QUOTE (Bull @ Mar 31 2005, 04:04 AM)
Magic will likewise be using the ShadowDiceless™ Combat System, so see above. However, it should be noted that there will be far more opions for magically active characters.  Shamanic Traditions will be further fleshed out and differentiated from each other, so that they're more than just a little flavor and some dice bonuses.  Mages will be able to access different tradtions, such as Necormancy, Nethermancy, and Technomancy.

No, that is NOT a typo.
mintcar
All of this is bull
Jon Szeto
No, haven't you been reading? Bull may have been writing most of it, but Arnie and Ada have been helping out a lot.
Eyeless Blond
Well of course it's Bull.

What I'd like to know is how you can have a ShadowDiceless system that uses the mysterious 2d6 dice. smile.gif
Solstice
wow your quick...
mfb
QUOTE (Bull)
24. Any new types of goblinization or SURGE, any new metavariants or new races in general?

Catgirls, for one.

why must you hate freedom, and love terror?
Arethusa
I appreciate some insulting response to the questions posed here.

Also, on a somewhat serious note, why are requests for more illustrations of equipment not being taken seriously? The DnD books did— and quite well, I should add— and while I realize WotC has more money than FanPro/Wizkids can dream of, I find it hard to believe that it's really impracticable. It doesn't need to be excessive, but the use-your-imagination-for-everything argument gets pretty annoying when shoved down your throat.
Adam
QUOTE
Also, on a somewhat serious note, why are requests for more illustrations of equipment not being taken seriously?

Because Bull isn't taking anything seriously in his posts.

Good thing he's just a playtester, huh? wink.gif
RunnerPaul
QUOTE (Adam)
Good thing he's just a playtester, huh?

He's not just a playtester, he's also List.Member.Grumpy, oh wait, excuse me, Fourm.Member.Grumpy, as this isn't ShadowRN.
Schism
QUOTE (Bull)
3. Has the Saito situation been resolved in the CFS by 2070?

No.  In fact, the situation only gets worse.  When General Saito falls in love with the elven daughter of a member of the Tir Council that can't be named at this time.  This leads to a conflict within his own beliefs, and his troops splinter and hostilities escalate rapidly.  Assistant Line Developer Arnie Trachtenberg hinted at a Harlequin Style adventure set for 2006 which deals with this plot.

Oooohhhh! More elf ears. Can hardly wait. grinbig.gif
Arethusa
QUOTE (Adam)
QUOTE
Also, on a somewhat serious note, why are requests for more illustrations of equipment not being taken seriously?

Because Bull isn't taking anything seriously in his posts.

Good thing he's just a playtester, huh? wink.gif

If you don't mind, I'll be in my corner grumbling furiously.
Adam
I'm not sure why ... but sure, go right ahead.
Arethusa
Lack of legitimate grumbling material is legitimate material for more grumbling. I mean, come on. This is Dumpshock.
mfb
QUOTE (Bull)
18. As I understand it, the d6 will still have a strong place in SR4. for instance, it's used for shortsword damage, and also determines the Invisible Way adept's hp per level.

Incorrect. 2d6 determines both of these, and much much more.

how about a breakdown of how much karma it costs to go up a level? similar to initiation costs? also, what about multi-classing? is this d20, or RIFTS?
Bull
28. How about a breakdown of how much karma it costs to go up a level?

Lead Playtester and Adam Jury's sister Ada is currently crunching the numbers hard and testing this formula out with literally hundreds of characters of all level ranges, but we're looking at something like:

2^[(Level*2)+(HP/4+12)]

29. What about multi-classing?

Of course. Multiclass away, just expect to9 be penalized for it.

30. Is this d20, or RIFTS?

Neither. No one actually buys or plays Rifts, that's just a rumor propogated by the Commie Left-Wing Lesbian Christian Majority to trick everyone into playing D&D.

And D20 gives you cancer.

31. Why must you hate freedom, and love terror?

I bought a foreign car and gas prices went up. So obviously the Terrorists won. And I always pick the winning side. Just usually not right away.

32. Also, on a somewhat serious note, why are requests for more illustrations of equipment not being taken seriously?

Seriously? Because it's just not economically feasible, nor is it usually necessary. D&D has a relatively small selection of weapons and armor to illustrate. SHadowrun has a LOT more material to deal with, for starters. Plus it takes up a trenendous amount of space, costs a lot more to do, and in the end just isn't worth it.

Hopefully we'll see a splash page or two with a bunch of small gun/gear pics. I'd really like that. But the old way of doing things, the Shadowland Catalogue thing that most people would like to see from Fields of Fire and the like, just isn't possible anymore.

Bull
Solstice
WTF I play RIFTS all the time..


Hopefully your also not being serious about the pictures...every RPG worth it's salt has a great selection of impressive art...including items. I also think your comparison is a bit misleading. I have over 60 AD&D books...i"m sure there is as many weapons, armor and misc items in those books illustrated and not as there is in SR3 etc.
Bull
33. How you can have a ShadowDiceless system that uses the mysterious 2d6 dice.

Actually, it's the ShadowDiceless Combat System™. It's specifically for use in combat, to help both speed up combats and the like and to help GM's maintain a more cinematic feel to the game.

The Attribute and skills system uses the the new 2D6™ system. After suggestions from Webmjaster Adam Jury's sister and Lead Playtester, Ada Jury, we've opted to combine Skills and Attribute tests into the 2d6™ system rather than having Skills use a 3d6 system, as was previously reported.

Also, Damage and Damage resistance will still use the Chessex Bucket 'o Dice™ d6's that we all know and love from previous editions of Shadowrun.

34. Will Bull still be the "Best Ork Decker You Never Met", or will he be "the Best Ork Hacker You Never Met" now?

Bull the character is much like myself: Old, cranky, and set in his ways. He still uses the case from his original Alpha Allegiance Cyberdeck, and uses the original MPCP processor as a redundant math co-processor now, because he's a sentimental moron.

It remains to be seen exactly how the next 5 years will impact Bull, but somehow I can't see him opting for the Nantech Wireless Interface or letting go of either his Cyberdeck nor his Remote Control Deck. He's just too damn stubborn to change. Hell, he might still use D6's for combat!

35. Is there any seriousness to your posts?

Honestly? A little, but not much. if there is any truth to my statements, and I'm not saying there is, it's buried behind a lot of sillyness and misdirection.

The fact is, playtesting is far from over with SR4, and many of the Playtesters are still working off of data that is months old, because the current drafts are still pending. So even what we know, we don't necessarily know, if you know what I mean.

Not to mention the fact that unless you see it on FanPro's page, we can't say anything.

The Rumor Control threads have mostly been my way to poke a little fun at how serious you fans take everything (espeically during the first few stages of New Edition Syndrome™ smile.gif), to poke a bit of fun at the playtesters, designers, and dev's working on it, and occasinoally poke some fun at the industry as a whole. Lighten things up a bit.

It seems to have worked, on the whole, so I'm happy. And I'll probably continue doing this for a while, as inspiration or questions strike me ork.gif

Bull
Arethusa
QUOTE (Bull)
32. Also, on a somewhat serious note, why are requests for more illustrations of equipment not being taken seriously?

Seriously? Because it's just not economically feasible, nor is it usually necessary. D&D has a relatively small selection of weapons and armor to illustrate. SHadowrun has a LOT more material to deal with, for starters. Plus it takes up a trenendous amount of space, costs a lot more to do, and in the end just isn't worth it.

Hopefully we'll see a splash page or two with a bunch of small gun/gear pics. I'd really like that. But the old way of doing things, the Shadowland Catalogue thing that most people would like to see from Fields of Fire and the like, just isn't possible anymore.

Thanks. That makes more sense.

By the way, would it be accurate to infer from that that there are significantly more equipment and weapons in SR4?
Bull
QUOTE (Solstice)
WTF I play RIFTS all the time..


Hopefully your also not being serious about the pictures...every RPG worth it's salt has a great selection of impressive art...including items. I also think your comparison is a bit misleading. I have over 60 AD&D books...i"m sure there is as many weapons, armor and misc items in those books illustrated and not as there is in SR3 etc.

First off, just ripping on Rifts a bit, no offense intended smile.gif Palladium is an anamoly within the gaming industry though. Rifts is one of those games that survives and thrives on a very small, loyal fanbase. You never hear much about it, there's no hype behind it, and Palladium doesn't worry too much about pulling in new fans. They just do what they do, put out the books they like, and don't sweat it. Which is really cool. It's a shame the rest of the industry can't operate that way.

As for the pictures... Don't mistake my comment to mean no art in the books. Art is very important to converying the look and feel of a game world. However, what I'm talking about is having pictures of each and every gun, vehicle, and other equipment in the game. If you remember the 2st and second edition supplement books, they were done up as a Catalogue, of sorts. You had pictures and shadowtalk on every piece of gear, and many fans miss that. I even do myself, a little bit... But the problem was this creates an enormous amount of waste for little to ne benefit.

Shadowrun has literally hundreds of guns now. There are probably a hundred or more vehicles and drones in Rigger 3. There's easily a hundred unique peices of quipment in the Shadowrun world, such as a Pcket Secretary or a Maglock passkey. I'm working, so don;t have my books handy, but I'm sure someone could give you more accurate numbers (Or I can over the weekend, if you like).

Even doing very small individual pictures, or half page pics with 20 items crammed into every picture (Similar to how the weapons and armor are laid out in the D&D PHB) would increase the page count of the SR4 book tremendously. Plus the cost of each picture would put a huge dent in Fanpro's budget.

Not to mention that most artists don't like to do "technical art". Designing and drawing a couple hundred guns would probably drive the majority of artists batshit insane, if they were iwlling to take on the chore in the first place.

I mean, hell... Look at the DMG. They show pics of one out of every 100 magic items listed in the back, if that. A couple wands, a couple swords here and there to convey the general feeling, but that's about it.

Here's an example. We'll assume small, quarter page or so pictures showing 6 or items per picture. You can't cram too much in, or the pics will be too small to be of any use. 6 would be about6 the max I could see being included before you're out of space.

That would likely up the page count almost 25% (It was relatively light on artwork to begin with, so even assuming we lose some of the other art, we're still looking at a jacked up page count), and it would like increase the cost of the book by at least as much.

And hell, do it Fields of Fire or Shadotech style, like a lot of people wanted? Multiply the page count by about 400%, with a similar price increase. At least.

Bull
Bull
QUOTE (Arethusa)
QUOTE (Bull @ Apr 1 2005, 12:54 AM)
32.  Also, on a somewhat serious note, why are requests for more illustrations of equipment not being taken seriously?

Seriously?  Because it's just not economically feasible, nor is it usually necessary.  D&D has a relatively small selection of weapons and armor to illustrate.  SHadowrun has a LOT more material to deal with, for starters.  Plus it takes up a trenendous amount of space, costs a lot more to do, and in the end just isn't worth it.

Hopefully we'll see a splash page or two with a bunch of small gun/gear pics.  I'd really like that.  But the old way of doing things, the Shadowland Catalogue thing that most people would like to see from Fields of Fire and the like, just isn't possible anymore.

Thanks. That makes more sense.

By the way, would it be accurate to infer from that that there are significantly more equipment and weapons in SR4?

I'm sure ther ewill be some new gear, but outside of a few tech advances due to the 5 year jump, and the replacement of obsolete gear with stuff relevant to the new Matrix/Rigging rules, I wouldn't expect much.

I do think that we'll see as much of the current equipment crammed into the core book as possible, so that additional gear/equipment books aren't quite seen as "necessary core books" the way M&M and CC were in SR3. Plus, it will leave that much more room in those books for new stuff when the time does come to do them.

Honestly though, at this point we're playtesting with ported 3rd ed gear, so I'm simply guessing here. I don't know yet what the final decisions on this sort of thing will be.

Bull
Arethusa
Ah, alright. Thanks.
RunnerPaul
QUOTE (Bull @ Apr 1 2005, 01:16 AM)
but somehow I can't see him opting for the Nantech Wireless Interface or letting go of either his Cyberdeck nor his Remote Control Deck.

Nantech wireless interface?

I KNEW IT. It's them damn injuns. First they take back the continent, and then they take our wires from us. It's probably all the Pueblo's fault, isn't it?
Kagetenshi
No no no, it's Nantech, not NANtech. It's the other Indians! They're using delicious flatbread to mop up curry and hack the world!

~J
hermit
Mmh ... flatbread ...
torzzzzz
mmm....curry...drool!

torz wink.gif
moosegod
QUOTE
And hell, do it Fields of Fire or Shadotech style, like a lot of people wanted? Multiply the page count by about 400%, with a similar  price increase. At least.


To temporariy bar your other comments, why not do a FOF or Shadowtech book, then? Five years of advancement would allow for a lot of new tech to be integrated in such a book, including some repeats from the main book.
Toa
Because that supplement would have triple the core book's page count and - respectively - price. Almost nobody would buy it (core books sell, supplements don't, overly expensive supplements - go figure) and it just wouldn't pay off.
hermit
Y'know, there's always the possibility of a fan-made netbook ... all you need is a scanner (alternatively, a pencil and your imagination, and a lot of paper) and lots of time.
kryton
Beef it's what's for dinner. -Pun....sorry.
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