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HMHVV Hunter
Alright, I need your guys' thoughts on another custom weapon I'm currently creating for a John Constantine-esque character. This guy might get chosen for a PbP here, and this is his weapon, so I could really use some opinions.

Here it goes:

Name: "Holy Shotgun" (tentative name; I need something original, so any thoughts on a name would be much appreciated too)

Frame: Shotgun
-Damage: 8S
-Mode: SA
-Conceal: 3
-Wt.: 4.5 kg.
-Ammo Cap: 5
-Load: ( m )
-Mounts: Barrel, Top, Underbarrel
-FCU: 2.5
-DPV: 130

Design Options

Ammo Loading (clip)
DP: +10
FCU: None
Wt: None
Conceal: -1

Barrel Extension
DP: +15
FCU: -.5
Wt: +.25 kg.
Conceal: -2

Heavy Barrel
DP: +25
FCU: -.25
Wt: +.5 kg.
Conceal: None

Increased Power (+2)
DP: +160
FCU: -.5
Wt: +.5 kg.
Conceal: None

Melee Hardening
DP: +15
FCU: -.5
Wt: +.25 kg.
Conceal: None

Selectable Clip
DP: +35
FCU: -.5
Wt: +.1 kg.
Conceal: -1

Weight Decrease (Level 6)
DP: +30
FCU: None
Wt: -1.5 kg.
Conceal: None

Modifications

Custom Finish (silver)
DP: +20

Embossing/Engraving
DP: +20
Phrase: "In nomine patri, et fili, et spiritus sancti"

Extended clip (+5 rounds each)
DP: +20

Laser Sight
Mount: Under
Wt: +.25 kg.
FCU: -.25
DP: +100

Appearance

Shotgun is in the shape of a cross. The vertical "beam" is the main part of the shotgun, with the top of the cross being where the pistol grip and trigger is, and the foot of the cross being where the exit of the barrel is. It appears to be an over-and-under double barreled shotgun, but the bottom barrel is actually the laser sight. The horizontal beam of the cross shape is made up of the two clips, one sticking out of each side.

Final Stats

Conceal: 0
Ammo: 10 ( c )/10 ( c )
Mode: SA
Damage: 10S
Wt: 4.85 kg.
Cost: 2,900 nuyen.gif
RC: 1

Ranges: S: 0 - 11, M: 12 - 22, L: 23 - 55, E: 56 - 110
Capt. Dave
Munchkin! You munchkin bastard! Oh, such a munchkin you are! How dare you!
Why not make it FA with weapon foci rounds?! Munchkin.

biggrin.gif

But seriously...

Seems interesting, and a pretty "even" weapon, as far as CC Firearms Design goes. Not a bad placement of the dual magazine option. I like how it fits in with the design of the gun.

Names:
Retributor, Intercessor, Divine Vengeance
Maybe try an online thesaurus for words like: angel, holy, sin, divine, etc., and
find one you like.
Kagetenshi
You made a shotgun without making it Conceal 7? How dare you!

~J
Arethusa
I'm not a fan of comic book style stuff, but this is fairly reasonable, though a full underbarrel laser sight seems rather unreasonably gigantic.

In fact, given the comic book style, it might make more sense to put a single shot grenade launcher in its place.

I'm with Kage, though. Shotguns aren't shotguns and assault rifles really aren't assault rifles until they're smaller than pistols.
HMHVV Hunter
QUOTE (Arethusa)
I'm not a fan of comic book style stuff, but this is fairly reasonable, though a full underbarrel laser sight seems rather unreasonably gigantic.

In fact, given the comic book style, it might make more sense to put a single shot grenade launcher in its place.

I'm with Kage, though. Shotguns aren't shotguns and assault rifles really aren't assault rifles until they're smaller than pistols.

Well, it doesn't take up the full underbarrel, just the last part of it.
Arethusa
Then what's in the rest of it?
HMHVV Hunter
QUOTE (Arethusa)
Then what's in the rest of it?

The standard stuff found on most shotguns (i.e. the grip/pump-action)
Arethusa
But it's not pump action. You have it down as semiautomatic. Yes, there's a gas tube in that case, but not the full length of the barrel, and certainly not if you extended that anyway. Where's the superhero in you if you don't want to slap a grenade launcher under that thing?
toturi
You could call it the Hand of God.
HMHVV Hunter
QUOTE (Arethusa)
But it's not pump action. You have it down as semiautomatic. Yes, there's a gas tube in that case, but not the full length of the barrel, and certainly not if you extended that anyway. Where's the superhero in you if you don't want to slap a grenade launcher under that thing?

Whatever. It's for cosmetic purposes more than anything, really; I just couldn't think of a way to incorporate a laser sight seamlessly into a shotgun's frame. I guess the "second barrel" is the gas tube then (I'm no real-life firearms expert), but the laser sight makes up the rest of the "second barrel."
Slamm-O
my friend called the gun in the movie the god gun
Arethusa
QUOTE (HMHVV Hunter)
QUOTE (Arethusa @ Apr 8 2005, 02:31 AM)
But it's not pump action.  You have it down as semiautomatic.  Yes, there's a gas tube in that case, but not the full length of the barrel, and certainly not if you extended that anyway.  Where's the superhero in you if you don't want to slap a grenade launcher under that thing?

Whatever. It's for cosmetic purposes more than anything, really; I just couldn't think of a way to incorporate a laser sight seamlessly into a shotgun's frame. I guess the "second barrel" is the gas tube then (I'm no real-life firearms expert), but the laser sight makes up the rest of the "second barrel."

In most shotguns, what you're thinking of is the tubular magazine. Since you slapped two box mags on the sides, there's no use for this anymore.

Seriosuly, though, you don't need to know guns to know shotguns belong strapped to grande launchers. It's just right.
Critias
Or, if not an underbarrel grenade launcher (which could be an excuse for all the pumps, etc, you seem to want), then at least an underbarrel stake-launcher (for your character).

I mean, laser sight? Any fool can have a laser sight. On your angry cross-shotgun you want something that'll maul evil, not just make a little red dot float around. Think big, if you're gonna think big.
Kagetenshi
It could very well have pump-action. See the SPAS-12, which is semiauto but has pump for when the thing's loaded with low-pressure rounds.

~J
Pthgar
Make the lasersight U.V. frequency capable to explain why it is so big and in the latin the Patri, Fili, and Spiritus Sancti are capatalized, proper nouns you know. wink.gif
Foreigner
HMHVV Hunter:

I once saw a weapon in which I think you might be interested on the 'net.

IIRC, it was a SA/BF heavy pistol with an underbarrel minigrenade launcher.

Here it is: Shadownode

Left-click on "Equipment", then left-click on the subheading "Weapons."

The weapon you want is the "Dreadgun Heavy Automatic Dual Pistol".

It's the first one on that page.

Edit: Sorry. Messed up the link on the first try. It seems to work now, though.

--Foreigner
SpasticTeapot
I say put in a pump-action CO2 powered stake-launcher. It would use those dinky little Co2 canisters found in some tools (the six gram ones) to fire, so every three shots or so you would use the pump-action to expel the spent cartridge and put in a new one. It would also be a very quiet weapon, which is a good thing if your only other option is spraying metal pellets at a few hundred miles per hour.
Deamon_Knight
Some been watching Trigun?
Smiley
...

I missed the Trigun part.
Arethusa
QUOTE (SpasticTeapot)
I say put in a pump-action CO2 powered stake-launcher. It would use those dinky little Co2 canisters found in some tools (the six gram ones) to fire, so every three shots or so you would use the pump-action to expel the spent cartridge and put in a new one. It would also be a very quiet weapon, which is a good thing if your only other option is spraying metal pellets at a few hundred miles per hour.

Why does everyone seem to think that C02 powered weapons are quiet? They're not. It's the same principle: rapidly expanding gas progressively accelerates the obstruction down the path of least resistance. The only difference with C02 is that it's operating at much lower pressure. It may be less noisy, but it is still going to be very loud if it is going to be at all worthwhile.
Raygun
I used to have a Daisy Powerline 400 that would prove that fact to anyone. Where did that thing go... Man, it was so fun I nearly shot my eye out.
HMHVV Hunter
As far as the name goes, I got the idea of naming it after the Angel of Death, but I can't find any information on what the Angel of Death was called in Christianity. Anyone familiar with religion that can help with that?
Sharaloth
There's always 'Abaddon' aka The Destroyer. (aka Apollyon). Azrael is an Angel of Death in some traditions (I can't remember which, but probably Islam and the Hebrew traditions). There's the Prophecy's route of Gabriel being the Angel of death (I'm not sure if this is even close to accurate).
HMHVV Hunter
QUOTE (Sharaloth)
There's always 'Abaddon' aka The Destroyer. (aka Apollyon). Azrael is an Angel of Death in some traditions (I can't remember which, but probably Islam and the Hebrew traditions). There's the Prophecy's route of Gabriel being the Angel of death (I'm not sure if this is even close to accurate).

Yeah, I'd heard about Azrael, but the key word here is Christian. The guy using this thing is a mage with a Christian bent, so IMO it just wouldn't make sense to go with Azrael since it isn't a Christian name for the AoD (I don't think).
Sharaloth
Azrael's definitely Islamic, but Christianity doesn't seem to have a name for the Angel of Death, at least, not one specific one. Mostly it's taken from the Hebrew traditions where you have Sammael, Bebriel, Metatron, etc. The closest I think you're going to get is Abaddon, who's in the book of Revelations. Though, admittedly, I'm no expert.

Edit: As another thought, why not go the Milton route and name it Abdiel? The angel who stood up to Satan and rebuked him.
HMHVV Hunter
QUOTE (Sharaloth)
Azrael's definitely Islamic, but Christianity doesn't seem to have a name for the Angel of Death, at least, not one specific one. Mostly it's taken from the Hebrew traditions where you have Sammael, Bebriel, Metatron, etc. The closest I think you're going to get is Abaddon, who's in the book of Revelations. Though, admittedly, I'm no expert.

Sammael...that was Lucifer back when he was still a good guy, right?
Sharaloth
*shrug* maybe. Depends on who you talk to. Some say yae, some nae. Some go 'Who's Lucifer?'. Angelic lore is a twisted thing with little in the way of continuity or agreement. The one reference to a Lucifer in the bible was actually talking about a king who was being a dick to the Hebrews. Satan was god's advocate whose job it was to poke people into sinning. Whenever anything bad happened, it WAS god doing it because you pissed him off, or sometimes because he felt like it. At least in the Old Testament. In the new things changed in strange and interesting ways. If you can get ahold of the Essenian stories I've heard they've got Angels galore in them.
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