And we all know the novels are totally, 100% canon.

That is a good question actually. Obviously the'yre not going to follow the game rules, but since everything that transpires in the novels happens in the game setting , wouldn't they be considered canon?

I don't know, would something that doesn't follow canon rules be considered canon?

They are, so…

~J

Shenanigans.

Once common interpretation of the rules is that you can have an ally spirit manifest as a vehicle, take the motorbike example. It looks like a motorbike, you can ride it like a motorbike but its movement rates and carrying capacity are based on the stats you gave the spirit which is probably slower than most motorbikes and it doesn’t follow any vehicle rules.

Edward

But it's less weird-looking than riding down the street piggybacking an 8 foot tall pile of rock.

The shape is irrelevant, even if the shape has no appendages it can still move at the same speed, remember ally spirits have 3 dimensional movement as slandered. So having your bike fly is also legal.

Edward

And so begins the hoverbike craze.

no, I'm pretty sure that's illegal without a license.



So the speed is what, quickness x3 (same as running), or do they get to move as with the movement power? Either the fastest or slowest bike ever?

"Can my ally spirit take the form of a Redneck Tree?"

Actually, in my group we had the Dikote question asked almost immediately, and I said "NO!" just as fast.

"Can I put ruthenium in my Second Skin suit?"
(ruthenium had just been theorized, but wasn't available to PCs in any shape or form)

From my gaming session today... "can I take the biorejection flaw with my shapeshifter?"

JaronK

Can I take the Aptitude Edge for Damage/Drain Resistance?

Yep.

Did they ever play again?

Sure. I don't ever mind people asking things.

pp. 33-35, YOTC.

Meh. All it takes is custom cosmetic bioware/cyberware, and you can make "furries" without the SURGE rules. A specialized Orthoskin or Dermal Sheathing with enhanced hair follicles, some facial reconstruction, addition of a tail. There are people right now who get cosmetic surgery to look more animal-like. Nothing to stop someone who is crazy enough to get a full body conversion in SR's tech.

Shame on you Smiley

Hey, man, don't shoot the messenger.

Well, maybe if we shoot enough , they'll be too afraid to bring up cat people. Then we can get dow nto the business of hunting the cat people themselves.

Sorry you had to be made an example of.

It's for a good cause.

Hiding from the truth doesn't change it.

Unfortunately.

Particulary pp. 33-35 of YOTC.

LOL I'm curious, not because I like furries (I kinda hate 'em), but why does everyone feel so against a furry?

Think about it! NO need to take "Distinctive Style" flaw, an ultra-abundance of easily detected hair fibers, and willpower tests every time you get near catnip!

What could be better? The character gets well-known in the corp world after one run, and run two gets geeked for being so damn unique!

XD

Commie.

Go on as many tirades as you want, but pages 33-35 in YOTC remain.

Whatever, dude.

Hey hey. Nothin' wrong with Communism. Its the Stalinist we have to worry about (After all, the polar opposite of Communism is Fascism. Its all in the application.) Anyhow.

I think furries are, umm, oftentimes done for the, ahh...Ummm...Wrong reason?

Ex: "I have a cat girl for a charrie. She's a real pussy, this one." - Don't ban me, please!!!

Ex of a well played (read: often nonexistant) cat girl: "I shave my legs and shave my legs and I still have knots in it! This SURGE thing sucks!"

It's like you're speaking another language.

BTW, Smiley. I haven't posted a tirade in a long while, and nothing here comes even close to the definition of said word.

Ok, have it your way, but post as many of them as you want and 33-35 will still be there.

If you're going to use a word then at least use it correctly is all I'm saying.

And all I'M saying is that if, in your game, there are no furries, fine. It's a house rule. You've been posting like your house rule supercedes canon.

Cat girls may be found in SR. Certainly, some Benraku parlors cater to exotic tastes. Start with a Night One, add a bioware tail and cosmeticly altered ears. Throw in a persona fix and you begin siphoning off the excess funds of many lonely otaku.

Well, clearly I can do what I want in my games. Although I do appreciate you giving me permission to run my games as I see fit. Thank you, master. As for your perception of what I've been posting... Well, it's your perception. However, I would suggest not presuming something which I did not say. If I wanted to say my house rule supercedes canon, which I wouldn't because I am generally a canon purist, I wouldn't beat around the bush about it. I'd say that my house rule supercedes canon, and I feel so strongly about it I'd sooner set you on fire than be in your presence for even acknowledging those pages exist. But I didn't, because I don't even have to. With the people I game with, there is an agreement that certain things aren't discussed. They're canon, and they suck, but they're canon and we just don't talk about them.

I seem to have made the assumption (which is a terrible enough sin) of thinking that people can differentiate when I'm serious and not by the fact that when I am serious I am on point, use citations, and generally act directly as possible. Oops. I'm an idiot I guess. I once asked rhetorically why I seemed to have to defend myself for everything I write, and someone responded that it was because they assumed a higher standard or something from the lunatic in the corner who occassionally spouts off some nonsense like a page cite. And that I will never understand.

Like I said, I'm a purist even when I think the rules or the setting suck. I rolled for SURGE, but aside from that things like that don't come up in my games, but to be frank I can't recall seeing people ask any of these questions in my presence, or really anything like them. I'm lucky that way I guess, but it is an interesting thread insofar as it really does shock me that some people have asked such questions. I can't even appreciate what would compel anyone to ask something that would clearly contradict canon.

It's ok, in 4th edition, after the matrix crashes, the Sons of Sauron decide that cat people are giving metas a bad name and hunts down all the cat people.

http://www.warehouse23.com/item.html?id=SP3001

There. Take that.

JaronK