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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Anyway, yes: drake is a 'power up transformation' on top of the existing metahuman base. You keep natural metahuman stats (Attributs, mutations, etc.), and add drake buffs (stats, armor, flight). Not all of this makes sense: a troll drake with a couple SURGE move-boosts can fly fast compared to a troll drake *without* 'ropy leg muscles'. *shrug*
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Old Man Jones ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 ![]() |
Yeah, it's not just "I turn into a Drake".
It's "I turn into a Troll Drake". -k |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Honestly, it'd probably be better if they worked more like shifters, but who knows. :/
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
Even shifters are basically the same. Their metahuman form is only cosmetic, with the notable exception of cyberware/bioware and a couple of Powers, just like drakes. And in fact, I may be wrong with their Powers - I think they keep them in any form.
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Nah, only very few powers do they keep, like Enhanced Vision.
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Anyway, yes: drake is a 'power up transformation' on top of the existing metahuman base. You keep natural metahuman stats (Attributs, mutations, etc.), and add drake buffs (stats, armor, flight). Not all of this makes sense: a troll drake with a couple SURGE move-boosts can fly fast compared to a troll drake *without* 'ropy leg muscles'. *shrug* Ropy wing muscles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
The Draconomicon is also a good one for that.
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
It specifically says 'leg', Draco18s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Obviously, you can adapt things; I'm just pointing out that you have to, if you make the mistake of reading any fluff.
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
It specifically says 'leg', Draco18s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Obviously, you can adapt things; I'm just pointing out that you have to, if you make the mistake of reading any fluff. It also doesn't make sense for snakey drakes who have no wings. |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Exactly: they fly like pixies, using magic. Ropy legs = moar magic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Exactly: they fly like pixies, using magic. Ropy legs = moar magic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Fixed that smiley for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Also, moar magic should be a link. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
I'm just pointing out that you have to, if you make the mistake of reading any fluff. It should be noted that fluff is not crunch. EDIT: There could be a Positive Quality called "Banana Hammock" that reads "You have a banana hammock. Increase the character's Walking and Running rates by one-half (round down) its current value," which results in the same mechanical benefit as Celerity. EDIT EDIT: Also expressed as "A = B, B = C, then A = C," with A being Celerity, B being movement speed, and C being the factored fly speed of a drake, carrying a coconut, and the resulting wind-speed velocity. Or something. |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Should it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Kinda obvious.
Anyway, this is all only in support of my original point: it *doesn't* make sense, and you shouldn't expect it to. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Eastern or European? Well played, good sir. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Oriental or Occidental drake indeed. |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 ![]() |
Well played, good sir. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Oriental or Occidental drake indeed. I play 'em where I can. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Now as long as I stay out of that other thread... |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 206 Joined: 9-September 10 From: Minneapolis, MN Member No.: 19,032 ![]() |
Fixed that smiley for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Also, moar magic should be a link. Bonus points for referencing the Jargon File in a Shadowrun forum. I always loved the More Magic story. |
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 ![]() |
In out games except for AZT the corps aren't evil at all. they're a-moral.Like Roger Delgado's Master they want their control and will not go out of their way to hurt people but couldn't care less if someone is hurt by what they do in pursuit of their goals.
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Well, it depends what evil means. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And that's a much bigger, older discussion. Suffice it to say, apathy could be a definition of evil, just as much as 'sadism'.
In the new season of Venture Bros. (spoiler alert), Professor Impossible uses Cody (the Human Torch knock-off) as a 'clean energy source'. This constantly causes Cody excruciating pain, but it's not being done for the *purpose* of causing that pain. It's just a convenient energy source, and he doesn't *care*. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) QUOTE (Wiki) In "Bright Lights, Dean City" Professor Impossible is revealed to have been using an imprisoned Cody to provide clean energy to Impossible Industries, something Phantom Limb describes as extremely evil.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Validating Posts: 132 Joined: 10-November 10 From: San Diego, Aztlan Member No.: 19,165 ![]() |
How does Granite Shell work with the hardened armor granted by drake? Does the character have 7 points of hardened armor? Or just the 4 from drake?
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Validating Posts: 132 Joined: 10-November 10 From: San Diego, Aztlan Member No.: 19,165 ![]() |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
How does Hardened Armor interact with Backround Count? Since it is a paranormal ability, shouldn't having a Magic of 0 remove it?
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Sure.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
Sooo.... Drop a F12 Mana Static on a Great Dragon and laugh when he loses his 20 points of Hardened Armor? And what about abilities that give Hardened Armor and don't gift a Magic attribute? Where'd that Broken RAW thread go?
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