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Yerameyahu
post Oct 13 2010, 04:45 PM
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Anyway, yes: drake is a 'power up transformation' on top of the existing metahuman base. You keep natural metahuman stats (Attributs, mutations, etc.), and add drake buffs (stats, armor, flight). Not all of this makes sense: a troll drake with a couple SURGE move-boosts can fly fast compared to a troll drake *without* 'ropy leg muscles'. *shrug*
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post Oct 13 2010, 04:48 PM
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Yeah, it's not just "I turn into a Drake".

It's "I turn into a Troll Drake".





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post Oct 13 2010, 04:58 PM
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Honestly, it'd probably be better if they worked more like shifters, but who knows. :/
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post Oct 13 2010, 05:10 PM
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Even shifters are basically the same. Their metahuman form is only cosmetic, with the notable exception of cyberware/bioware and a couple of Powers, just like drakes. And in fact, I may be wrong with their Powers - I think they keep them in any form.
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post Oct 13 2010, 05:18 PM
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Nah, only very few powers do they keep, like Enhanced Vision.
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post Oct 13 2010, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2010, 11:45 AM) *
Anyway, yes: drake is a 'power up transformation' on top of the existing metahuman base. You keep natural metahuman stats (Attributs, mutations, etc.), and add drake buffs (stats, armor, flight). Not all of this makes sense: a troll drake with a couple SURGE move-boosts can fly fast compared to a troll drake *without* 'ropy leg muscles'. *shrug*


Ropy wing muscles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Oct 13 2010, 05:27 PM
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The Draconomicon is also a good one for that.
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post Oct 13 2010, 05:30 PM
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It specifically says 'leg', Draco18s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Obviously, you can adapt things; I'm just pointing out that you have to, if you make the mistake of reading any fluff.
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post Oct 13 2010, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2010, 12:30 PM) *
It specifically says 'leg', Draco18s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Obviously, you can adapt things; I'm just pointing out that you have to, if you make the mistake of reading any fluff.


It also doesn't make sense for snakey drakes who have no wings.
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post Oct 13 2010, 05:36 PM
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Exactly: they fly like pixies, using magic. Ropy legs = moar magic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 13 2010, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2010, 12:36 PM) *
Exactly: they fly like pixies, using magic. Ropy legs = moar magic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)


Fixed that smiley for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Also, moar magic should be a link.
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post Oct 14 2010, 04:44 AM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2010, 11:30 AM) *
I'm just pointing out that you have to, if you make the mistake of reading any fluff.

It should be noted that fluff is not crunch.

EDIT: There could be a Positive Quality called "Banana Hammock" that reads "You have a banana hammock. Increase the character's Walking and Running rates by one-half (round down) its current value," which results in the same mechanical benefit as Celerity.

EDIT EDIT: Also expressed as "A = B, B = C, then A = C," with A being Celerity, B being movement speed, and C being the factored fly speed of a drake, carrying a coconut, and the resulting wind-speed velocity. Or something.
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post Oct 14 2010, 04:46 AM
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Should it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Kinda obvious.

Anyway, this is all only in support of my original point: it *doesn't* make sense, and you shouldn't expect it to.
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post Oct 14 2010, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 14 2010, 05:44 AM) *
factored fly speed of a drake, carrying a coconut, and the resulting wind-speed velocity


Eastern or European?
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post Oct 14 2010, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Oct 14 2010, 08:28 AM) *
Eastern or European?


Well played, good sir. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Oriental or Occidental drake indeed.
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post Oct 14 2010, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 14 2010, 02:33 PM) *
Well played, good sir. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Oriental or Occidental drake indeed.


I play 'em where I can. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Now as long as I stay out of that other thread...
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post Oct 14 2010, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 13 2010, 11:43 AM) *
Fixed that smiley for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Also, moar magic should be a link.


Bonus points for referencing the Jargon File in a Shadowrun forum. I always loved the More Magic story.
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post Oct 22 2010, 02:09 AM
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In out games except for AZT the corps aren't evil at all. they're a-moral.Like Roger Delgado's Master they want their control and will not go out of their way to hurt people but couldn't care less if someone is hurt by what they do in pursuit of their goals.
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post Oct 22 2010, 02:11 AM
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Well, it depends what evil means. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And that's a much bigger, older discussion. Suffice it to say, apathy could be a definition of evil, just as much as 'sadism'.

In the new season of Venture Bros. (spoiler alert), Professor Impossible uses Cody (the Human Torch knock-off) as a 'clean energy source'. This constantly causes Cody excruciating pain, but it's not being done for the *purpose* of causing that pain. It's just a convenient energy source, and he doesn't *care*. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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In "Bright Lights, Dean City" Professor Impossible is revealed to have been using an imprisoned Cody to provide clean energy to Impossible Industries, something Phantom Limb describes as extremely evil.
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post Nov 13 2010, 01:55 PM
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How does Granite Shell work with the hardened armor granted by drake? Does the character have 7 points of hardened armor? Or just the 4 from drake?
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post Nov 13 2010, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE (bobbaganoosh @ Nov 13 2010, 08:55 AM) *
How does Granite Shell work with the hardened armor granted by drake? Does the character have 7 points of hardened armor? Or just the 4 from drake?

Should stack and give 7 points.
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post Nov 13 2010, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE (Karoline @ Nov 13 2010, 06:00 AM) *
Should stack and give 7 points.

7 points of hardened armor should be enough to shrug off pistol shots. Well, maybe some of the lighter pistols, at least.
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post Nov 13 2010, 04:05 PM
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How does Hardened Armor interact with Backround Count? Since it is a paranormal ability, shouldn't having a Magic of 0 remove it?
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post Nov 13 2010, 05:11 PM
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Sure.
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post Nov 13 2010, 05:57 PM
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Sooo.... Drop a F12 Mana Static on a Great Dragon and laugh when he loses his 20 points of Hardened Armor? And what about abilities that give Hardened Armor and don't gift a Magic attribute? Where'd that Broken RAW thread go?
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