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post Nov 23 2010, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (Mongoose @ Nov 23 2010, 12:23 AM) *
Sounds by the book. Cyberzombies explicitly had higher racial maximums in SR3. Still do. If the cyberzombie was a troll, its totally possible.
I did a Sr3 troll imroved body adept power and (low essence, body boosting) cyber who got something like 20 body dice for most damage resistance. You can actually do better as a mundane, but I wanted a Mystic adept, to avoid being mana-bolt bait; I figured that was worth a couple body dice.


Cool, I have not looked at cyberzombies in a long time. But natural body of 4 to 20ish seems extreme in SR2-3.
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post Nov 23 2010, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Nov 23 2010, 02:13 AM) *
Not always, but often it does. RC specifically mentions potential issues re: underdeveloped sexual characteristics.


Hunh. I always thought that the elimination of the adult phase of the life-cycle was the defining characteristic of neoteny. Turns out that's only one small subset of neotenic features, the majority of which are cases where juvenile features are kept on through the adult cycle, rather than adult features never showing up. That means that something like the "big head - big eyes - tiny child voice" anime cliche would be text-book neoteny.
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post Nov 23 2010, 07:26 PM
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In this instance, called shot to the face (no cyber) means one Body dice. I need a good helmet...
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post Nov 24 2010, 01:47 AM
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QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Nov 23 2010, 06:46 PM) *
Hunh. I always thought that the elimination of the adult phase of the life-cycle was the defining characteristic of neoteny. Turns out that's only one small subset of neotenic features, the majority of which are cases where juvenile features are kept on through the adult cycle, rather than adult features never showing up. That means that something like the "big head - big eyes - tiny child voice" anime cliche would be text-book neoteny.


Its also seen in breeding / evolution. In many respects, dogs are basically wolves with an array of juvenile characteristics (tolerance for humans, submissive behavior, pack bonding with strangers, reduced jaw strength) exhibited as adults.
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post Nov 24 2010, 01:49 AM
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QUOTE (PresentPresence @ Nov 23 2010, 07:26 PM) *
In this instance, called shot to the face (no cyber) means one Body dice. I need a good helmet...


Which provides what, 2 points of armor? But wait, shouldn't it provide your head with the same protection as the matching suit gives your body? Of course, that would mean cyber limb armor should only provide the covered limbs with protection...
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post Nov 24 2010, 02:15 AM
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Ack, stop breaking my façade of protection! Other than that, though, does this gear and attribute set-up seem viable? Do the additional limbs make up for the reduced condition monitor thanks to Neoteny? Would a 20-ish year old woman with neoteny look like a Hit Girl? Or an Enfant Terrible? And, above all, would breast implants on a 20-ish year old Hit Girl/Enfant Terrible be breaking the creeper barrier?!?
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post Nov 24 2010, 03:37 AM
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Yes, it would. But more importantly, it would be a failure of munchkin-fu. Cybernetic breast implants cost Essence because you can change their size/shape with a mental command. If you only want bigger breasts, it is a minor biomod (or in her case, chassis mod).
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post Nov 24 2010, 05:30 AM
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QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 23 2010, 07:37 PM) *
Yes, it would. But more importantly, it would be a failure of munchkin-fu. Cybernetic breast implants cost Essence because you can change their size/shape with a mental command. If you only want bigger breasts, it is a minor biomod (or in her case, chassis mod).


They can also be used for covert communication.

"Oh man! Her tits just swelled up 3 cup sizes! That's the signal!"
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post Nov 24 2010, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Nov 23 2010, 09:30 PM) *
They can also be used for covert communication.

"Oh man! Her tits just swelled up 3 cup sizes! That's the signal!"

lol... sweetness
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post Nov 25 2010, 02:40 AM
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I'm having final episode of Excel Saga flashbacks now... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rollin.gif)
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post Nov 25 2010, 06:29 AM
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QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 24 2010, 05:37 AM) *
Yes, it would. But more importantly, it would be a failure of munchkin-fu. Cybernetic breast implants cost Essence because you can change their size/shape with a mental command. If you only want bigger breasts, it is a minor biomod (or in her case, chassis mod).

Can't you get them with capasity, she has a cyber torso after all.
Also the size changing part is exactly the reason why my Sasha has cyber breasts, along with her fibre-optic hair and cyber eyes they allow for an easy change of looks when neccesary.
After all if the guards are looking for a small breasted blonde, their unlikely to start hasseling the red headed bombshell with DDD breasts
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post Nov 25 2010, 06:36 AM
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Gunslinger Girl ftw!

Cyberzombie 10 year old girls with Social Adept "big brother" Company Men for their handlers? It's one anime that really, really, fits the setting without a whole lot of prybar work.
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post Nov 29 2010, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE (PresentPresence @ Nov 24 2010, 03:15 AM) *
Ack, stop breaking my façade of protection! Other than that, though, does this gear and attribute set-up seem viable? Do the additional limbs make up for the reduced condition monitor thanks to Neoteny? Would a 20-ish year old woman with neoteny look like a Hit Girl? Or an Enfant Terrible? And, above all, would breast implants on a 20-ish year old Hit Girl/Enfant Terrible be breaking the creeper barrier?!?


I am assuming cyberlimbs with Customized Strength would be large and long as natural limbs with high Strength. After all, customized cyberlimbs is made "for the natural physiques of many dwarfs, orks, and trolls"(Augmentation, p. 44).

So I figure your neoteny woman is quite similar with normal woman. Well, her torso is underdeveroped, but emphasizing things like flat breast and lack of pubic hair will break the creeper barrier.
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post Nov 29 2010, 03:42 AM
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You folks keep talking about getting near the creeper barrier but honestly I think you already hit that barrier back in post 0.
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post Nov 29 2010, 05:05 AM
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Well.. how should I say.. You have a point here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 29 2010, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE (Janus @ Nov 28 2010, 05:56 PM) *
I am assuming cyberlimbs with Customized Strength would be large and long as natural limbs with high Strength. After all, customized cyberlimbs is made "for the natural physiques of many dwarfs, orks, and trolls"(Augmentation, p. 44).


Ugh... please don't try to apply reason or logic to cyberlimbs.

An 87cm, 37kg gnome with customized full body cyberlimb replacements has a max strength of 12 and can be bought, at a starting customized strength of 8.

A regular 182cm, 78kg human with customized full body cyberlimb replacements has a max strength of 9 and can be bought at a starting customized strength of 6.

Throw a little gene-opt and metagenetic improvement on the tiny man, and suddenly his little metal cyberbody can get to 15 Strength.

Logic? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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post Nov 29 2010, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Nov 29 2010, 06:24 AM) *
Ugh... please don't try to apply reason or logic to cyberlimbs.

An 87cm, 37kg gnome with customized full body cyberlimb replacements has a max strength of 12 and can be bought, at a starting customized strength of 8.

A regular 182cm, 78kg human with customized full body cyberlimb replacements has a max strength of 9 and can be bought at a starting customized strength of 6.

Throw a little gene-opt and metagenetic improvement on the tiny man, and suddenly his little metal cyberbody can get to 15 Strength.

Logic? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)


That is less the logic of cyber and more the logic of metahuman race variants trying to cram a dwarf stat mods into a gnome just because they are both short is just silly. If you want really absurd go to the other races like the pixie etc, the pixies strength for example still allows it to be a decently strong person and its less than a 1/2 meter tall.
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post Nov 29 2010, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Nov 29 2010, 06:24 AM) *

It's the dump stat on this character you described probably 7 out of 10 times.
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post Dec 4 2010, 07:59 PM
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Speaking of interesting neotenous characters, I was inspired the other day by the rule that children Infected with HMHVV have the Neoteny Quality.... and made a neotenous Nosferatu. I'd got about halfway when I realised it was exactly what every Twilight fanboy wants to be (and every Twilight fangirl wants to bite her).
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post Dec 4 2010, 11:47 PM
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You need to add the Striking Skin Pigmentation quality to him. You know, so you can sparkle.
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post Dec 5 2010, 02:28 AM
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Should go for vampire instead of nosferatu because then you could at least survive in sunlight. Oh, and throw on glamour.
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post Dec 5 2010, 03:13 AM
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He's got a sustaining focus and Alleviate Allergy. And the Human Looking Quality. And if that don't work, Healthy Glow. He's also 17.
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post Dec 5 2010, 03:27 AM
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17 is not neoteny. Neoteny is likely 12 at the oldest.
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post Dec 5 2010, 03:57 AM
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Oh yeah, he was Infected a few years ago, so he's a 17-year-old in the body of a prepubescent.
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post Dec 5 2010, 06:50 AM
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QUOTE (SleepIncarnate @ Nov 29 2010, 10:15 AM) *
It's the dump stat on this character you described probably 7 out of 10 times.


Oh, boy. Now you've done it. You've missed the point entirely.
BLAMMO, suddenly he's a got exceptional attribute and then gets sneezed on by a ghoul.

Now his 80cm-tall entirely robotic body can be built with 21 strength.

He picks up a tractor trailer and throws it at the sun.

He's hit by cozmic radiation! Now all that shit about strength is true about body instead.
Magically he's a little robot man with 21 body. He meets the requirements of a Small Target (dog sized,) and a Massive Target (15+ body,) both at the same time. The universe implodes on itself.
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