I wonder how much it'd be worth to that free spirit to have a uber-genetically engineered body designed expressly for inhabiting...




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Probably prohibitively expensive, but a good use of a spirits nuYen, if it could earn some. It is too bad Inhabitation is unavailable for players unless you go through some shenanigans to get it (detailed in my Inhabitation and You thread).

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If you just mean possession, there are probably better options. Take a look at the various golems in Street Magic, for example.

That's definitely the kind of thing a spirit would do, working through various intermediaries, of course. But it (and the player) would pay for it appropriately.

Now there is a thing : does Possession by a spirit with Regeneration allow to heal/regenerate a mutilated lving host ?

If yes, this could be an Essence-firendly alternative to cultured body grafts for the Awakened... and a relatively safe way to quick healing for a mage with Channeling.

Regarding corp owned cyberware and said corp wanting it back: has anybody seen the movie 'Repo men'? It's exactly that topic and I found it quite good and relating somewhat to dark future. The corps design cool electronic implants (like: organ replacements) and they're so expensive that most people normally take loans. Then when they can't pay back the loan on time, 'repo men' arrive and take the organ back, usually ending the whole thing rather unpleasant for the former owner. That's the premise of the movie at least (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think it perfectly sane if you owe somebody or some corp money, or the cyberware, they would want to collect, before your death or after. But if you're terribly rich, you can probably afford to have the ware destroyed with your body. Maybe it's something covered in a will? And ff you're poor and die on the street, your body will probably be eaten anyway and the ware sold to a street doc.

If a player tried to abuse that tactic (incredibly rare powerful free spirits with both possession and regeneration, who inexplicable *don't* doublecross you), I'd say the healing for 'mutilation' (missing parts) is slower than normal regeneration (hours or days).

I can see it being used at appropriately dramatic and rare points, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

We play regeneration very similar to D20 (please don't spit). Regeneration applies if the damage took place while you had the regeneration power active.

Well, the text is clear that the vessel is restored, though. I'd just tweak things to discourage any crazy use. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The first weapon against that is 'Seriously? No. Moving on…'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Dead is dead...

Parts is parts...

Dead guys is parts...

I don't know why they'd bother to abuse that tactic - If they can go to that much trouble, wouldn't it be easier to get a free spirit with the wealth power?

Indeed. I totally agree: the time and effort of *free* spirit that powerful is already worth more. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I suspect that the vast, vast majority of people are probably cremated. If you think how stupid expensive it is for a full burial now I can only imagine it is even more rediculous in 2072. Therefor it makes sense that cyberware, particularly large pieces like a cyberlimb would be removed prior to the cremation. A datajack and the like might be left in place but not a cyberarm. The body would probably be left intact until the viewing was over and the ware removed just prior to the cremation itself. Anything smaller would be left in the body and removed from the ashes before they were placed in an urn.

As for what happens to it afterwards. I doubt very much that it simply gets turned around and sold to another individual, but I'm sure it is recycled for parts, much the same way that electronics are recycled today.

But you don't need a Free Spirit for the Regeneration ploy. 'Just' an Invoked Plant spirit.

Wouldn't 'grampa's right arm' be an artifact the family would keep? Especially if he put it into his will?

Do you keep grampa's computer? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well, I'd want to have it long enough to take the photos and the incriminating data off of it before I sold or recycled it. In retrospect, I would think most people would want Grampa's arm to stay with Grampa, but if he is being cremated, that won't happen. Certainly I would rather have the arm myself than have the undertaker sell it out the back door.

To contribute to the talk of implants, not so much for possessing spirits.

That's what I quoted above, although mine says p37… I dunno which is right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Doh. Sorry, didn't mean to try and steal your thunder. I must have missed the post. It's page 35 in the book, 37 in the PDF because of the covers up front.

I'm pretty sure virtually everyone's cremated nowadays due to the threat of Shedim. It's in whichever of the Threats books Master Shedim appear in I believe.

Not my thunder, nooo! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I just noticed that we had different pages; you're right, I didn't go by the number actually written on the page. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

I think that whole section is very interesting, though. It seems to imply that cyberlimbs and internal organs are routinely removed from bodies for burial (and, therefore, also for cremation?).

FWIW--That section deals with the time old tradition of smuggling stuff in corpses. It's much easier (and cleaner!) to smuggle stuff when all the gooey parts are taken out. Embalming usually leaves the organs inside, except in the case of embalming after autopsy.

This and other creepy facts brought to you by research that often places me on FBI watchlists. =)

Ahhh, I see. Interesting.

Maybe they just let you keep old dead Grandpa's arm for am extra fee. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ork.gif)

To touch on the Regeneration and a cybered corpse angle, wouldn't the regeneration power push out the cyber? Or is it not like the critter power of Regeneration?