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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 17-November 09 From: Halifax Member No.: 17,884 ![]() |
Does this mean what I think it means, that the Nosferatu would be immune to the effects of the sun (assuming three net successes) while this spell is sustained?? That seems a bit cheap.
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
ShadowRun's vampires* are sparkly vampires.
*And assorted related infected |
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
Depends, does it still say allergy or does it say weakness?
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 17-November 09 From: Halifax Member No.: 17,884 ![]() |
Depends, does it still say allergy or does it say weakness? The weakness the Nos has is an allergy, so either would be effective, wouldn't it? For the record though, the spell removes the negative effects of an allergy (reducing the severity of the allergy by one step per success). |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Both entries are "allergy." Alleviate Allergy alleviates the Allergy (Sunlight, Severe).
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 540 Joined: 5-May 09 From: California Member No.: 17,140 ![]() |
Allergy but I think any sane GM should house rule it into an actual weakness that can't be alleviated with a simple spell. I mean honestly it's just ridiculous.
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Old Man of the North ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,215 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 ![]() |
QUOTE (Street Magic page 169) ...Every net hit reduces the allergy level by one (from Moderate to Mild, for example). The spell does not remove the allergy, only alleviate its effects....return at full force once the spell ends. Sounds like a sparkly, daytime vampire to me. Make sure you have Counterspell with you in case you meet one of these, I guess. |
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
Helloo most underused game mechanics to annoy magic people with. BACKGROUND COUNT!
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 540 Joined: 5-May 09 From: California Member No.: 17,140 ![]() |
Especially in the really bad neighborhoods where the general crime and grime would make it a festering sore on the astral.
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
But of course, no GM will ever use this . .
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Deus Absconditus ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 ![]() |
A nosferatu wants to quicken alleviate allergy on himself to walk around in sunlight? More power to him. That's what the spell is *for*, hell. Nosferatu ain't undead, they're just diseased. I don't see any reason a nos with that spell - i.e. any nos you'll ever meet - wouldn't be able to use it just like that.
In fact, there's an NPC in Blood in the Boardroom and Threats (I think) who does just that. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 540 Joined: 5-May 09 From: California Member No.: 17,140 ![]() |
Magic
Makes weaknesses null and void. |
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Old Man of the North ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,215 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 ![]() |
Stahlseele is right, though. People tend to underplay the drawbacks inherent in magic. In a case like this, one false step and it's game over.
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 ![]() |
QUOTE Makes weaknesses null and void. Close, but not completly. Regeneration is still disabled. For rule text: QUOTE ("Street magic") The spell does not remove the allergy QUOTE ("Core Book") If the critter has an Allergy, the critter cannot regenerate damage until the allergen’s presence is removed. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 825 Joined: 21-October 08 Member No.: 16,538 ![]() |
Edit: Doublepost.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 825 Joined: 21-October 08 Member No.: 16,538 ![]() |
However, that also means that if it dies during the day, as soon as the sun is down it gets a chance for a regen check.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 540 Joined: 5-May 09 From: California Member No.: 17,140 ![]() |
Screw that. If I drop a vampire I take its head to claim the bounty and burn the body with an incendiary grenade.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 13-April 07 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 11,448 ![]() |
Assuming the vaMpire isn't aura masked in some way you might want to counterspell that alleviate allergy spell.
That said id allow regeneration to function while the spell has completely surpressed the side effects of the allergy. That gives good reasons for PC vamps to cast at high force and avoid combat in the day or invest heavily in a high force sustaining focus in case of background counts or unconsciousness. That said, the spell has been playtested by many other than myself by now I assume. The Nosferatu actually proved UNDERPOWERED for a standard missions based game without uber cheese. Not that the character couldn't perform his job as a magician, its just that there were no points left over for a minor area of focus. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,147 Joined: 2-May 10 Member No.: 18,539 ![]() |
That said, the spell has been playtested by many other than myself by now I assume. The Nosferatu actually proved UNDERPOWERED for a standard missions based game without uber cheese. Not that the character couldn't perform his job as a magician, its just that there were no points left over for a minor area of focus. Indeed. People sometimes forget when criticizing nosferatu that 250 BP is not really enough to make a decently rounded character, that their strengths in critter powers can be greatly affected by background count, and that, as a result of their general tendency as a species towards plotting, megalomania, sociopathy, murder, etc., a nosferatu PC whose nature is discovered by the authorities is potentially in very severe danger, more so than your regular shadowrunner in the same situation I mean. Also, I personally think that allowing the Alleviate Allergy spell for nos PC's should be allowed, if only to lower the sunlight weakness to a mild allergy at most. If the rest of a team does not change to a nocturnal schedule to conform to the nos's, this leaves the nosferatu player in a somewhat problematic position in that he/she is essentially out of the game during IC daylight hours. As I myself have discovered in recent months, this can be especially problematic for nosferatu PC's in play-by-post games, although it is not altogether impossible to deal with. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 162 Joined: 18-August 06 From: C.A.S. Member No.: 9,160 ![]() |
However, that also means that if it dies during the day, as soon as the sun is down it gets a chance for a regen check. Not really, remember how Regen works now. QUOTE Certain types of damage cannot be regenerated from this power. Damage to the brain or spinal cord....cannot be healed this way. Likewise, magical damage.... and that s critter can still die if brought below their overflow. Even if you allow them a roll after sundown, or in a dark ally, or whatever, the amount of damage potentially done to a "suspected" vampire after it falls? Unlikely (i.e. Hand of God unlikely), IMHO.Like mentioned earlier, take his head, and it's all over, forever. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 ![]() |
Indeed. People sometimes forget when criticizing nosferatu that 250 BP is not really enough to make a decently rounded character, that their strengths in critter powers can be greatly affected by background count, and that, as a result of their general tendency as a species towards plotting, megalomania, sociopathy, murder, etc., a nosferatu PC whose nature is discovered by the authorities is potentially in very severe danger, more so than your regular shadowrunner in the same situation I mean. Also, I personally think that allowing the Alleviate Allergy spell for nos PC's should be allowed, if only to lower the sunlight weakness to a mild allergy at most. If the rest of a team does not change to a nocturnal schedule to conform to the nos's, this leaves the nosferatu player in a somewhat problematic position in that he/she is essentially out of the game during IC daylight hours. As I myself have discovered in recent months, this can be especially problematic for nosferatu PC's in play-by-post games, although it is not altogether impossible to deal with. Is there anything inherently flawed in covering up every square inch of skin? Nosferatus should be wearing disguises as a matter of course anyway. I suppose one could rule that any amount of sunlight getting through his sunglasses is going to hurt like a bitch, but blacked-out glasses with a video feed isn't too out there, is it? |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
I can remember starting threads very similar to this myself a year+ ago. Interesting how the world turns, eh?
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 17-November 09 From: Halifax Member No.: 17,884 ![]() |
I can remember starting threads very similar to this myself a year+ ago. Interesting how the world turns, eh? *chuckles* And thus the student becomes the master. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) *bows to sensei* I haven't played since 2nd Edition, so I am re-learning the entire world in a hurry - I really need to track down the more recent novels so that I can get a read on them and get a better feel for this new, shiny Sixth World. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
I'd like to get and read at least one SR novel. I think I've read a grand total of two cyberpunk books total. Well, not including the rulesbooks for SR, in which case I've read nearly every SR4 book now.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 687 Joined: 22-October 09 Member No.: 17,783 ![]() |
I'd like to get and read at least one SR novel. I think I've read a grand total of two cyberpunk books total. Well, not including the rulesbooks for SR, in which case I've read nearly every SR4 book now. It's not exactly cyberpunk but I would suggest Richard K. Morgan's Takeshi Kovacs novels, they got cited as source material in the Eclipse Phase books and I know I've used them as a basis for shadowruns before. |
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