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post Jan 7 2011, 10:49 PM
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Does this mean what I think it means, that the Nosferatu would be immune to the effects of the sun (assuming three net successes) while this spell is sustained?? That seems a bit cheap.
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post Jan 7 2011, 10:50 PM
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ShadowRun's vampires* are sparkly vampires.

*And assorted related infected
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post Jan 7 2011, 10:52 PM
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Depends, does it still say allergy or does it say weakness?
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post Jan 7 2011, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 7 2011, 06:52 PM) *
Depends, does it still say allergy or does it say weakness?


The weakness the Nos has is an allergy, so either would be effective, wouldn't it?

For the record though, the spell removes the negative effects of an allergy (reducing the severity of the allergy by one step per success).
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post Jan 7 2011, 10:57 PM
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Both entries are "allergy." Alleviate Allergy alleviates the Allergy (Sunlight, Severe).
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post Jan 7 2011, 10:57 PM
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Allergy but I think any sane GM should house rule it into an actual weakness that can't be alleviated with a simple spell. I mean honestly it's just ridiculous.
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post Jan 7 2011, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE (Street Magic page 169)
...Every net hit reduces the allergy level by one (from Moderate to Mild, for example). The spell does not remove the allergy, only alleviate its effects....return at full force once the spell ends.

Sounds like a sparkly, daytime vampire to me. Make sure you have Counterspell with you in case you meet one of these, I guess.
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post Jan 7 2011, 11:03 PM
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Helloo most underused game mechanics to annoy magic people with. BACKGROUND COUNT!
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post Jan 7 2011, 11:06 PM
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Especially in the really bad neighborhoods where the general crime and grime would make it a festering sore on the astral.
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post Jan 7 2011, 11:07 PM
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But of course, no GM will ever use this . .
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post Jan 7 2011, 11:09 PM
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A nosferatu wants to quicken alleviate allergy on himself to walk around in sunlight? More power to him. That's what the spell is *for*, hell. Nosferatu ain't undead, they're just diseased. I don't see any reason a nos with that spell - i.e. any nos you'll ever meet - wouldn't be able to use it just like that.

In fact, there's an NPC in Blood in the Boardroom and Threats (I think) who does just that.
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post Jan 7 2011, 11:33 PM
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Magic

Makes weaknesses null and void.
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post Jan 7 2011, 11:59 PM
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Stahlseele is right, though. People tend to underplay the drawbacks inherent in magic. In a case like this, one false step and it's game over.
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post Jan 8 2011, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE
Makes weaknesses null and void.

Close, but not completly.
Regeneration is still disabled.

For rule text:
QUOTE ("Street magic")
The
spell does not remove the allergy

QUOTE ("Core Book")
If the critter has an Allergy, the critter cannot
regenerate damage until the allergen’s presence is removed.


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post Jan 8 2011, 12:58 AM
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Edit: Doublepost.
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post Jan 8 2011, 12:58 AM
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However, that also means that if it dies during the day, as soon as the sun is down it gets a chance for a regen check.
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post Jan 8 2011, 01:06 AM
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Screw that. If I drop a vampire I take its head to claim the bounty and burn the body with an incendiary grenade.
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post Jan 8 2011, 01:23 AM
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Assuming the vaMpire isn't aura masked in some way you might want to counterspell that alleviate allergy spell.

That said id allow regeneration to function while the spell has completely surpressed the side effects of the allergy. That gives good reasons for PC vamps to cast at high force and avoid combat in the day or invest heavily in a high force sustaining focus in case of background counts or unconsciousness.

That said, the spell has been playtested by many other than myself by now I assume. The Nosferatu actually proved UNDERPOWERED for a standard missions based game without uber cheese. Not that the character couldn't perform his job as a magician, its just that there were no points left over for a minor area of focus.
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post Jan 8 2011, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Jan 7 2011, 09:23 PM) *
That said, the spell has been playtested by many other than myself by now I assume. The Nosferatu actually proved UNDERPOWERED for a standard missions based game without uber cheese. Not that the character couldn't perform his job as a magician, its just that there were no points left over for a minor area of focus.

Indeed. People sometimes forget when criticizing nosferatu that 250 BP is not really enough to make a decently rounded character, that their strengths in critter powers can be greatly affected by background count, and that, as a result of their general tendency as a species towards plotting, megalomania, sociopathy, murder, etc., a nosferatu PC whose nature is discovered by the authorities is potentially in very severe danger, more so than your regular shadowrunner in the same situation I mean.

Also, I personally think that allowing the Alleviate Allergy spell for nos PC's should be allowed, if only to lower the sunlight weakness to a mild allergy at most. If the rest of a team does not change to a nocturnal schedule to conform to the nos's, this leaves the nosferatu player in a somewhat problematic position in that he/she is essentially out of the game during IC daylight hours. As I myself have discovered in recent months, this can be especially problematic for nosferatu PC's in play-by-post games, although it is not altogether impossible to deal with.
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post Jan 8 2011, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (Hagga @ Jan 7 2011, 07:58 PM) *
However, that also means that if it dies during the day, as soon as the sun is down it gets a chance for a regen check.

Not really, remember how Regen works now.
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Certain types of damage cannot be regenerated from this power. Damage to the brain or spinal cord....cannot be healed this way. Likewise, magical damage....
and that s critter can still die if brought below their overflow. Even if you allow them a roll after sundown, or in a dark ally, or whatever, the amount of damage potentially done to a "suspected" vampire after it falls? Unlikely (i.e. Hand of God unlikely), IMHO.

Like mentioned earlier, take his head, and it's all over, forever.
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post Jan 8 2011, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (Sephiroth @ Jan 8 2011, 08:23 AM) *
Indeed. People sometimes forget when criticizing nosferatu that 250 BP is not really enough to make a decently rounded character, that their strengths in critter powers can be greatly affected by background count, and that, as a result of their general tendency as a species towards plotting, megalomania, sociopathy, murder, etc., a nosferatu PC whose nature is discovered by the authorities is potentially in very severe danger, more so than your regular shadowrunner in the same situation I mean.

Also, I personally think that allowing the Alleviate Allergy spell for nos PC's should be allowed, if only to lower the sunlight weakness to a mild allergy at most. If the rest of a team does not change to a nocturnal schedule to conform to the nos's, this leaves the nosferatu player in a somewhat problematic position in that he/she is essentially out of the game during IC daylight hours. As I myself have discovered in recent months, this can be especially problematic for nosferatu PC's in play-by-post games, although it is not altogether impossible to deal with.

Is there anything inherently flawed in covering up every square inch of skin? Nosferatus should be wearing disguises as a matter of course anyway. I suppose one could rule that any amount of sunlight getting through his sunglasses is going to hurt like a bitch, but blacked-out glasses with a video feed isn't too out there, is it?
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post Jan 8 2011, 04:26 PM
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I can remember starting threads very similar to this myself a year+ ago. Interesting how the world turns, eh?
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post Jan 8 2011, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Jan 8 2011, 12:26 PM) *
I can remember starting threads very similar to this myself a year+ ago. Interesting how the world turns, eh?


*chuckles* And thus the student becomes the master. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

*bows to sensei*

I haven't played since 2nd Edition, so I am re-learning the entire world in a hurry - I really need to track down the more recent novels so that I can get a read on them and get a better feel for this new, shiny Sixth World.
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post Jan 8 2011, 04:46 PM
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I'd like to get and read at least one SR novel. I think I've read a grand total of two cyberpunk books total. Well, not including the rulesbooks for SR, in which case I've read nearly every SR4 book now.
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post Jan 8 2011, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Jan 8 2011, 11:46 AM) *
I'd like to get and read at least one SR novel. I think I've read a grand total of two cyberpunk books total. Well, not including the rulesbooks for SR, in which case I've read nearly every SR4 book now.



It's not exactly cyberpunk but I would suggest Richard K. Morgan's Takeshi Kovacs novels, they got cited as source material in the Eclipse Phase books and I know I've used them as a basis for shadowruns before.
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