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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
I'd like to get and read at least one SR novel. I think I've read a grand total of two cyberpunk books total. Well, not including the rulesbooks for SR, in which case I've read nearly every SR4 book now. what's stopping you? you should be able to find some of them O.o |
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 9-November 08 Member No.: 16,575 ![]() |
How many mages are running around just Seattle with an alleviate allergy spell up? Chances are in my game world at least there would be quite a few, even if the players never actually ran into them. That being said I don't think there is anyway to differentiate between an alleviate (pollution) vs an alleviate (sunlight) spell.
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 17-November 09 From: Halifax Member No.: 17,884 ![]() |
It's not exactly cyberpunk but I would suggest Richard K. Morgan's Takeshi Kovacs novels, they got cited as source material in the Eclipse Phase books and I know I've used them as a basis for shadowruns before. I love that series. Morgan instantly became one of my new favorite authors when I read his first Altered Carbon. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 ![]() |
I don't think it's horribly unbalancing. As someone pointed out, the spell doesn't change the fact that they can't regenerate in sunlight - all it does is negate some penalties, and the damage that the allergen normally causes. To do this, the nosferatu either has to sustain the spell (incurring those penalties), use a sustaining focus (expending magical resources that could have been used for something else), or quicken the spell (spending karma, and even with masking, wards and the magician's aura both become more problematic).
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: 25-January 07 Member No.: 10,771 ![]() |
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Old Man Jones ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 ![]() |
The joke is that to be in the sunlight, they need to cast a spell on themselves as protection.
Which is presumably sparkly. -k |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,444 Joined: 18-April 08 Member No.: 15,912 ![]() |
Just wondering why a Vamp wouldn't use a variant of the physical mask spell? Something which creates a fine layer of sunblocking matter over them, which shields them from the sun? Or a spell which totally blocks UV light, as I believe it was stated (much to my disagreement) that this was the part of sunlight which harmed them? It would be a 'very' limited version of the improved invisibility spell, and likely have a drain between improved and regular invisibility. While this still has the sustaining problems, since the vamp is no longer in contact with the allergen in any meaning sense, they should be able to use full regeneration.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 13-April 07 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 11,448 ![]() |
This is why I have no problem allowing them to regenerate after reducing an allergy to nothing with Alleviate Allergy.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
You can't reduce the Allergy to nothing - you reduce it by one step per success, but you can't remove it.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 13-April 07 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 11,448 ![]() |
You can't reduce the Allergy to nothing - you reduce it by one step per success, but you can't remove it. That is essentially what I mean. Casting Alleviate Allergy with a high enough force that all of the negative side effects of the allergen are alleviated. The allergy is not gone, but it's effects are. |
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Old Man Jones ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 ![]() |
Just wondering why a Vamp wouldn't use a variant of the physical mask spell? Something which creates a fine layer of sunblocking matter over them, which shields them from the sun? Or a spell which totally blocks UV light, as I believe it was stated (much to my disagreement) that this was the part of sunlight which harmed them? It would be a 'very' limited version of the improved invisibility spell, and likely have a drain between improved and regular invisibility. While this still has the sustaining problems, since the vamp is no longer in contact with the allergen in any meaning sense, they should be able to use full regeneration. Physical mask is an illusion. It's not actually changing your appearance, it just creates the illusion that it is. Whatever spell you use, it would have to be either Health or Manipulation to actually protect you from sunlight. -k |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,444 Joined: 18-April 08 Member No.: 15,912 ![]() |
Physical mask is an illusion. It's not actually changing your appearance, it just creates the illusion that it is. Whatever spell you use, it would have to be either Health or Manipulation to actually protect you from sunlight. -k Physical illusion can bend, block, and create light, so they should also be able to blend/block a specific set of wavelengths. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,444 Joined: 18-April 08 Member No.: 15,912 ![]() |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
It's really not clear what 'physical illusions' do, and to what. Magic is arbitrary, and such spells don't prevent you from seeing out.
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
While magic is arbitrary, it is possible (as in, not specifically impossible) to create a spell that blocks the "bad" sunlight like sunscreen blocks UV rays.
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Right, sure. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But not as an illusion, presumably.
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Right, sure. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But not as an illusion, presumably. Health or Manipulation, IMO. |
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Old Man Jones ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 ![]() |
Right.
Illusions should remain illusions. There's too many spells that blur the distinction already. -k |
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jacked in ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 9,461 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 ![]() |
Allergy but I think any sane GM should house rule it into an actual weakness that can't be alleviated with a simple spell. I mean honestly it's just ridiculous. Well, walls also do that. As does full body armor, I guess. Don't see where this is such a big deal, really. Bye Thanee |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 18-February 10 Member No.: 18,170 ![]() |
With the pollution in a typical metroplex (since the pollution allergy is a big deal), there might not be all that much direct sunlight anyway.
Love that smog! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Also, there are quite a few ways people bend the rules with spells, not just the Alleviate Allergy spell. For one, I'm thinking of Increase Attribute on the drain attributes. Better casting through, well, casting. As others have mentioned above, though, having a sustained spell presents its own problems...sustaining it yourself, using a sustaining focus, or spending karma to quicken it, each of which presents an astral signature and creates its own problem for the caster (in terms of the -2 for sustaining, money and karma, or karma). |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
While magic is arbitrary, it is possible (as in, not specifically impossible) to create a spell that blocks the "bad" sunlight like sunscreen blocks UV rays. As I've stated before.... Improved Invisibility? It bends light around you, right? That is essentially what I mean. Casting Alleviate Allergy with a high enough force that all of the negative side effects of the allergen are alleviated. The allergy is not gone, but it's effects are. Ok, maybe you don't understand my point. Alleviate Allergy states that it "reduces the allergy level by one" and that it "does not remove the allergy, only alleviates its effects". As there is no level of allergy below Mild, you cannot lower its level below Mild. The absence of an allergy is not a level of allergy - it is a null set of allergy, a non-existance of it. This is a fair interpretation that still makes allergies dangerous, especially to those with Regeneration. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
We've been over that before. I'm just saying that the spell description says that it bends light around you, so logic would dictate that sunlight would be bent around you - not touching you.
Alleviate Allergy is by far a better option. Or a Shadow spell at sufficient Force, but maneuvering in that darkness would be problematic. Or an Evo HEL suit with a polarized face mask. Or a horseman with a polarized windshield. There're lots of options for making someone move around in full daylight without ever experiencing full daylight. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 ![]() |
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