This car is fast (it lapped Nordschleife in under 3'30") and pretty (to my eyes) and I want one.

Is there anything comparable in Shadowrun, specifically 4th edition?

I'm pretty sure the G-forces on those turns would kill you.

It's supposed to do 8G (according to the article in EVO Magazine) which is doable...with a G suit on and a high level of physical fitness.

Bloody Hell!!! That thing only drops below 200 MPH on the really tight corners, and it took the hairpin at over 100 MPH... that is just wrong on so many levels.

I fixed that for you.

But seriously, any cars like this in Shadowrun? If not, any guesses as to its stats? It'll do 500kph, 0-100 (kph mind) in 1.4 seconds, and a maximum of 8.25 Gs in cornering.

Theoretically (With GM approval and ...Whats Gesunder Menschenverstand in English again?)
any car can do that .The written max Speed is only the save High Speed .After that you have to ....
Roll for control (my english gets worse & worser).
There are no Rules for .....Maximum performance.

JahtaHey
Medicineman

Though from a shadworunner's point of view, that thing is next to useless : worthless on the sort of ruined roads (when there are roads) you find around a hideout in the barrens, no cargo space, no armor and a rather flimsy structure. It's also a strict one-seater that can't be fitted for a troll-sized driver without a redesign... It's also bloody expensive anfd extremely conspicuous.
That sort of thins is either a trophy car or a toy for the filthy rich.

But I grant you that to explode your personnal record on a circuit you'll be hard-pressed to find better. If your pockets are deep enough of course.

There was a Ferrari F1 racer in "Rigger 3".

Wie gehts es ihnen? Sorry I'm taking German and had to apply what little I know, haha.


And this thing is ridiculous, If you wanted to make it just throw out some number for accel, and give it a +10 to control or something.

"Common Sense."

Also, MedicineMan, I didn't know English wasn't your first language.

I feel the need to point out that everything the Red Bull X1 can do is amazing, within the following context: it does not actually exist.

Yes, it looks amazing. Yes, the 'specs' such as they are, are also amazing. And yes, it's entirely digital. It's theory. It's a whitepaper for what people think they might be able to get away with if they built it and they didn't discover anything unexpected. Also, they don't know what they'd make the tires od so you don't have to replace them every 10 minutes. But until they actually build one, I'm not that impressed.

(Sorry, that's my standard disclaimer every time someone brings up the X1.)

Yeah, it's not exactly practical, but the idea of a runner who runs in part to fuel a street racing habit sounds like fun to me. And my GM has informed me that I-25, C470, I-70, and various other roads are still in ok shape (we run in Denver) so the concept works.


Oh yeah, it's only a clay model and pixels, but we're playing a pen and paper roleplaying game with magic and whole-head-and/or-torso-replacement-cybernetics. I'm sure that the tires could be made with 6th world tech.

Honestly if the damn thing were even possible it would need smart tires, because at those speeds a fairly small rock in the road would be enough to flip the car without tires that could essentially ignore the rock.

Edit: Double Post, too tired to be posting apparently

I suspect the car produces more downforce than it weighs, so I find this claim to be somewhat extreme. But do they have smart tires in Shadowrun? I know they did in Snow Crash, where even high end skateboards had smartwheels, but I haven't seen them in SR4 (though I haven't yet looked for them specifically).

Smart Tires are in Arsenal (pg 106)

Cool, thanks.

You know the really funny thing. This car has actually been made for real. I came across an article about it a couple of weeks ago.

http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/news/d14918.html


With this proposal from Mr. Newey, the machine was transformed with a large fan added to the rear end of the body. With additional advice regarding the shapes of the front and rear wings and rear diffuser, its aerodynamics became even further refined. As a result, the Red Bull X2010 Prototype attained an astonishing level of performance, reaching a top speed of over 450km/h, with a maximum lateral acceleration reaching up to 8.75G. This is a performance level that is at the very limits of what a normal human body can withstand.

The driver who performed the shakedown test of the machine in Gran Turismo 5, was the world famous Sebastian Vettel. In his very first run on the Suzuka Circuit, he shortened the record time of the course by over 20 seconds. And in the test drive on the Nurburgring GP Course, he marked a record time of 1 minute 4 seconds, drawing out the incredible potential of the Red Bull X2010 Prototype.

0-60mph: 1.4sec
0-120mph: 2.8sec
0-200mph: 6.1sec
Maximum Speed: Over 280mph (450km/h+)
Maximum Longitudinal or Lateral Acceleration: 8.25G at 300km/h

No, they haven't made it for real. That article you've linked is about the digital X1 Prototype featured in Gran Turismo 5, and using the telemetry data they recieve out of the game. It's not a real car. Polyphony Digital and Red Bull have been *incredibly* bad about differentiating when they are talking about a real car and the digital car, because they deliberately want you to think they're talking about some kind of physical vehicle that drives that fast. There isn't. There IS a real X1 body, but it doesn't actually drive - it's just the frame. See here:
Shots of the X1 Prototype Frame

I'm sorry, but the X1 is absolutely 100% fantasy at this point in time. If it did exist, though, and did work the way they hoped, it would definitely be possible to have it generate enough downforce not to worry about rocks. The problem with the rocks, at that point, is tearing holes in your tires - not flipping.

Here is the rub. A Eurocar WW3k, with no mods and racing tires, will pulls turns like that going nearly 200mph with no penalties and reach a top speed that is limited by the GM. Granted it's 0-60mph time is ~2.8 seconds flat for an decent driver (reflex + pilot ground = 7) and race tires, but you can fix that.

A Eurocar WW3k with racing tires, engine customization: speed, engine customization: acceleration, improved suspension, and turbo charger 4 (up from the stock 1) on the other hand is a completely different animal. It can make the crazy turns while sticking at ~237.5mph (its max "safe" speed with no handling penalties), do 0-60mph in 1.75 seconds and 0-100mph in 2.92 seconds, while responding like something shown in that video. Top speed is the GM's call. I go with +25% over safe speed in my game, which would be pushing awful close to 300mph. You never know, your GM might let you go +50% or even +100% (~356mph and ~475mph).

As far Smart Tires, you don't want them on a speed demon. They knock safe speed and acceleration with a -20%, while Racing Tires net you a +10%. Smart Tires are really best for off road/go anywhere vehicles.

One final note. The Erocar WW3k is listed as a luxury sport car in Shadowrun. It is not a super car, it is not an exotic. If this is the performance you can get from a modded car in the class of the Porsche Boxster & Cayman, Chevrolet Corvette, BMW Z4, Audi TT, Lotus Elise & Exige, and MB SLK, then imagine with a 2070 Ferrari can do.

Where can I find this Eurocar WW3k? And is there something with better performance already? Someone mentioned a Ferrari F1 car in Rigger 3, but I don't have that book.

Eurocar Westwind 3000 is in Core.
Actually, Arsenal has some street-racing class cars, too.

So just up the stats a bit, and there you go.

I'll check those out, thanks.

Go to your link. Look at the pictures. Find the one labeled "Sebastian Vettel driving the Red Bull X2010 Prototype on the Nürburgring GP course." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif)

OK. Fair enough. I got suckered in by that article (and another one I originally read, and which claimed that this car was real...). However, if the car in the video (from the 3 min. mark) at the top of the page I link to isn't real, then I have to say that I'm very impressed with the graphics...