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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
I can't imagine why you think real life is involved at all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I said, with complete accuracy, that you're assuming you can get rating 7 programs. Whether that assumption is correct depends, that's all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 356 Joined: 3-April 10 Member No.: 18,409 ![]() |
If you chose to House Rule that Military Software is not avail in Warezhouse 24 you can but it is not RAW. In several places (SR4A corebook, Unwired) it states that programs with rating 7+ are up to the GM. Yes, War! gave specific Availability numbers, but that doesn't mean that every data haven, every VPN that trades in illicit proggies, will have rating 7+ programs. It doesn't require a house rule for a GM to say "No". |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,113 Joined: 27-November 10 Member No.: 19,186 ![]() |
I'm GMing a couple games, and have already decided to shitcan the rules on extended test searches whose intervals are combat turns when it comes to browsing a data haven. I randomly determine what software they have, and at what levels and cost for the pirated goods up to 20% or more of original price. Scarcity is a good thing, otherwise, it just becomes an exercise in who can roll the best, because everything else is equal.
Yes, it's technically a house rule, but no more so than the underpining of the game that says "The GM gets to decide what happens, always..." |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
They call it "MilSpec" for a reason.
Remember when APDS rounds first came out, and it was such an amazing thing! But the Street Samurai used the lot he got just getting out of the military base? Good times... |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 ![]() |
More IPs aren't necessary if your Stealth outclasses the system you're hacking, but if things go sour, they're pretty nice. IC gets 3 IPs, if you have 5, then you can either tear it apart, or go Full Defense and still do all the hacking (especially smash & grab) that you came for. More IPs are also exceptionally amazing if you decide to branch into rigging. Having more IPs than your attacker also means you can win Crash/Run Program or Trace User/Redirect Trace wars, which can make your life a lot easier. One trick i am exceptionally fond of is Crashing or Disarming people's Analyze programs. As long as you don't have an Alert(this means people can see you, past stealth) on you, you're good. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
And that's why I consider Stealth the most important piece of hacking software ever. Exploit second.
If your stealth is high enough you Just Win at hacking. If it isn't, then it goes to cybercombat, which if you have fewer actions than your opponent (which isn't hard. Two IC programs with 3 IPs each outclasses even the IP 5 hacker) you Just Lose. Technos lose harder when they lose, because they're not logged out, they're knocked out (at best!) |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 ![]() |
And the Signal 6 upgrade is also A14. Which is why you get a rating 6 non-standard wireless link. Availability 6R for all ratings, +1 threshold for signal detection, and the R6 costs half as much as a standard R6. Better in every way. Also, the Armor program is a complete waste of time. You're dead in two hits regardless of a tiny touch of soak. The real goal in cybercombat is to get your response so high that no one can hope to hit you in the first place. |
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 ![]() |
Signal 6 is basically unnecessary.
Signal 5 is plenty for pretty much everyone, just run ECCM 6(either ergonomic, or when you need it) Have a sat uplink for emergencies. |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Sounds like a typo, the GM should charge *more* for the Nonstandard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 ![]() |
PuSHeD is a good alternative to an encephalon. If you NEED max bang-for-buck, a cyberhand with a second-hand nanohive using logic-linked nanites is very cheap and very effective. I'm a fan of buying firewall/system 6, and some hacking utilities at start. They get nerfed/lagged down to your Response(5).... Firewall does not get knocked down because it is a Matrix attribute (p 221 SR4A). System gets nerfed down to Response, but nothing in Firewall's description says about it getting reduced because of Response |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 ![]() |
One note due the now "clear" rules for EMP devices, spells Static and Pulse, spend the nuyen for Hardening 6 for your commink.
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 ![]() |
One note due the now "clear" rules for EMP devices, spells Static and Pulse, spend the nuyen for Hardening 6 for your commink. I wonder, if you spend the money on hardening a cyberlimb, will that protect the cyberware inside that limb? I'm talking about things like Radar and commlinks. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,248 Joined: 14-October 10 Member No.: 19,113 ![]() |
QUOTE If you NEED max bang-for-buck, a cyberhand with a second-hand nanohive using logic-linked nanites is very cheap and very effective I am not a fan of the nano hive based stuff. Each time you take damage the rating of the nanites drops (IIRC its 1 rating per 3 damage). The rating come back about 1 point per week. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 ![]() |
I wonder, if you spend the money on hardening a cyberlimb, will that protect the cyberware inside that limb? I'm talking about things like Radar and commlinks. IIRC the radar and commlink in a cyberarm will need to be Hardened due to they have Antenna which is subject to the EMP attack/spell. Cyberarm/cybernetics are not normally affected by the EMP, because they are all optically based. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,113 Joined: 27-November 10 Member No.: 19,186 ![]() |
IIRC the radar and commlink in a cyberarm will need to be Hardened due to they have Antenna which is subject to the EMP attack/spell. Cyberarm/cybernetics are not normally affected by the EMP, because they are all optically based. But surely there's some electronics in there that could be cooked by the EMP, even if the connections between bits are optical. Or is the assumption that they've gone away from old school technologies to entirely optical computing? |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 ![]() |
But surely there's some electronics in there that could be cooked by the EMP, even if the connections between bits are optical. Or is the assumption that they've gone away from old school technologies to entirely optical computing? Short Answer after the Crash 2.0 all cybernetics are built to resist EMP(Optical was the HandWave), only the cybernetic/devices with Antennae are subject the effects of EMP, but each GM can rule a certain attack can affect your cybernetics. Hardening does not cost that much, cover your bases. |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
The assumption is that basically any modern tech is optical and immune, except for any kind of antenna.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,113 Joined: 27-November 10 Member No.: 19,186 ![]() |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 ![]() |
In a nutshell devices with antennae have a "circuit breakers" that trips when subjected to a EMP. Reseting the "circuit breaker" could be a simple as turning the device over, opening a door, pushing a button, or getting into the "hidden" service menu for that device, and reactivating it.
This has not been clearly explained, by the authors, lots of Hand Wavium was used. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
Or, on the really cheap models, the fuse has to be replaced. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
I'm not aware that the Signal damage is non-permanent. AFAIK, you have to replace it (by buying a new higher Signal rating).
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Or, on the really cheap models, the fuse has to be replaced. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Nono, in the cheap models the $10 part blows to save the 10 cent fuse. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
Nono, in the cheap models the $10 part blows to save the 10 cent fuse. Right, right right... Demon Murphy and all that. Shows how long I've been out of the business, eh? I miss work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 ![]() |
Firewall does not get knocked down because it is a Matrix attribute (p 221 SR4A). System gets nerfed down to Response, but nothing in Firewall's description says about it getting reduced because of Response Good catch. Forgot about that for a moment. I believe the FAQ also backs this position on firewall up, as well. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
Never, ever, ever, EVER cheap out on a Firewall.
Of course, whoever wrote your firewall can get through it like a modern stealth program through a 2050 password protection algorithm. |
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