Troll. Reach 2
Elongated Limbs. Reach 3
Pole-Arm of any kind. Reach 5
Attach Monofilament-Chainsaw on top of it.
Whirl around untill people start taking anti tank weapons to your hide.

Or any direct combat spell targeting your Willpower.

Depends on how one holds the sword, doesn't it? The attached gun could be under, side, or top-mounted with a twist of the wrist! And what happens if the sword is held at a slant?

Madness I tell you! MADNESS!

or blame the search engine. Sue Games Workshop. Amass a pile of skulls

(Though I *did* fall upon the underbarrel weapon thread with the chainsword a bit after.)

...

Really, except the sweet luxury of Reach 2 weapons (both offensively and defensively) in the hands of a troll, it's also a matter of finding a "Blade" skill weapon for a gun to be able to dual-wield two blades and defensive bonuses while shooting/attacking. The bayonet seemed fine, but it's Reach 2. So goes the question of this thread.

Or else, I'll end up giving up Blades and going for Clubs (a Mace and a Melee hardened gun).
But... Blades have more style, eh ? (Even munchkins strive for style (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) )

Reach
Certain weapons (or the arms of a troll) are longer
and allow an attacker to hit a target from a greater
distance, giving him a slight edge in melee combat.
Weapons with this feature have a Reach rating of 1–4.
When one melee fighter has a reach advantage over
his opponent, he can choose to apply that reach offensively
(attacking from a distance) or defensively
(keeping his opponent at bay). Every point of Reach
translates into a +/–1 dice pool modifier.

This seems to imply that there is a maximum reach of 4. Even dragons only get a reach of +2.

Weapon Reach is max 4. That's not the same as all Reach.

Back to my archives...

Gunblade


Vibro-Lasblade

What kind of troll is that with base Reach of 2?

A Bear shapeshifter Troll?

Ah, right, my bad, i forgot that everybody starts at reach 0 not reach 1 <.<

Allowing a troll to dual wield reach 2 weapons is envisageable - though he'd probably face an extra penalty.

But I'd specifically forbid the suggested bayonet rifle. Why ? Because a modern rifle is designed to be fired. The handles and grips are desgned for firing the weapon rather than using it as a melee weapon. This means they require two hands to wield because of that issue rather than mere size. Pack a bayonet on a bullpup assault riffle and the resulting combo will be shorter that some one-handers, while still requiring two hands to control.

To sum up a driffle can fired two-handed fine, fired one-handed or used in melee with some problems and would suck to the point of uselesness at one-handed melee.

The mentionned bayonetted (or otherwise melee-improved) pistols can't be used as reference bacause they're baiscally designed to be used one-handed.

If we took a SMG instead ? It's 'designed to be used one-handed', and an integral knife (not just an addon like the bayonet) could be foreseeable as an underbarrel Blade weapon ?

Of course, Neraph shows examples of melee weapon equipped with underbarrel ranged weapons. But, this makes them more like "backup" ranged weapons, and I'm more interested in a main hand ranged weapon that can act as a backup melee Blade weapon to accompany the off-hand that holds the sword (obviously the sword could also have a gun on it... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) )... and getting the Two-weapon style defensive benefits, as well as style point.



A sasobonsam ghoul-troll. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This is already summed up in a -2 dicepool modifier for trying it, which is reduced to a -1 for trolls. Nice try.

EDIT: War! has an Ares Alpha that comes stock with an underbarrel vibro sword. You should look into that one.

More pedantry!

The design is wrong for a GunBlade. GunBlades don't have barrels, as the design intent is for a powder charge to detonate at the moment you impact an opponent with the blade, sending a shockwave through the blade to theorectically cause more damage.

Yes, it's a silly idea, but that's how they're supposed to work.




-k

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Mine *wasn't* pedantry, anyway. It was joking-ry.

For the record, I prefer rocket-axes!

Melee weapons (be they spears, mauls, two-handed swords or whatever) don't differ much in their configuration from their one-handed version which lets a troll handle them one-handed. Guns are another kettle of fish - the pistol grip lends itself somewhat to firing the rifle one-handed, but the stance used for a bayoneted rifle doesn't translate as easily. If I remember the rules right, the -2 modifer reduced to -1 for trolls is for firing a gun, not for handling it in melee.

Picture a gun with a bayonet fitted on. Handlig it with two hands usually means one hand on the pistol grip and the other holding the barrel, using the gun somewhat like a short spear. Now try to imagine how you'd wield it one-handed - the pistol grip is perpendicular to the weapons. The only melee weapon with that sort of grips that come to mind is a tonfa, but the trigger guard and the butt don't let you pull most tonfa moves. I can see only two ways to get arouns the problem. One is to grab the barell to use the gun as a club - a great way to ruin it. The other would be to grab the barrel just in front of the magazine pit or the sights/scope dependign on the weapon's configuration. Which is somewhere i nth middle of the weapon, reudcing the reach to that of a one-hander at best.

The vibro-sword equiped Ares alpha you're mentioning seems a variation on the bayonet - though I wonder how the gun's sights zeroing will fare with the sowrd's vibration

You could always go the old Games Workshop Gorkamorka route, and use stick grenades as clubs!

I agree: bigger, stronger hands doesn't seem enough to compensate for single-handed rifle/bayonet use. The listed penalty makes for sense for things like two-handed swords, spears, etc., where one big strong hand *does* fit.

Bah! What is here and there about Gunblades? Rocket-Axes? USE THE GUNHAMMER
Scale size for a person shown (badly) here

A rocket-axe is the same thing as a gun-hammer, broadly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Also, rocket-hammer… I think they have them in Halo? Whatever. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Ido's "rocket-pick-axe" from Gunnm also fits the bill.

/shudder

I suddently recall LMGP6 (Living Minigun Platform 6), my Shiva-armed articulating weapon arm packing troll who used six miniguns and specialized in supressing fire and intimidation.

You forget that trolls have hands much larger than those of other metahumans. So they could easily grab the rifle by the butt around the place it connects to the gun body, using it like you'd use a spear.

Wat? O.o

Also:
Rocket Propelled Chainsaw

With an human-sized gun maybe - but with troll-adapted weapon, they would face the same problems as an human with an human-sized gun.

But even if they could manage the gun, how would they fire the damn thing ? A smartlinked gun could be ordered to fire, but I doubt you'd hit anyhing with it.

The only somewhat realistic way would be to have an ingram-like gun reinforced for melee and used as the crosspiece of a regular weapon. Though it won't be good foir much beyond spray and pray.

If it's a troll-adapted weapon, all the better - you have so much space, you can put an extra handle for melee on it.
And we're not talking simultaneously using the bayonet and shooting here, are we.