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post Mar 4 2011, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 3 2011, 01:59 PM) *
Movement works.
Don't ask how.
That way this is Madness!

Seriously, though. Let's say someone gets his cyber-centaur up to 3400 mph, by having someone summon a force 10 spirit and having it use Movement on it. That's Mach 4.4! Do we assume that the spirit allows him to control that speed, or does he now have to make handling tests? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/question.gif)
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post Mar 4 2011, 09:54 AM
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I remember reading in some book (but I can't remember if it was 3rd or 4th ed) that movement doesn't change the handling of a vehicle or the ramming damage.
According to that my take is that Movement doesn't make you go faster, it makes you get there earlier. It fits with the fact that Movement is a spirit power and that most spirit powers don't affect the target directly but affect the environment so that it affects the target (for example concealment doesn't turn you invisible, it helps you hide yourself by affecting the environment so that it hides you better).
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post Mar 4 2011, 10:10 AM
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Basically, Movement takes Distance/Obstacles a bit out of your way so you get there sooner with your own speed. Theoretically. Of course, this does not work in any kind or way within the rules context of the shadowrun universe.
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post Mar 4 2011, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (Blade @ Mar 4 2011, 05:34 AM) *
That's why I decided to go all the way in the insanity and gave my centaur "elongated limbs" and Martial Art: Capoeira (+3 reach when kicking!).

Forget Shadowrunning. Tickets for Wilbur's Amazing, Dancing Centaur would sell like hot cakes!
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post Mar 4 2011, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 4 2011, 02:39 AM) *
Seriously, though. Let's say someone gets his cyber-centaur up to 3400 mph, by having someone summon a force 10 spirit and having it use Movement on it. That's Mach 4.4! Do we assume that the spirit allows him to control that speed, or does he now have to make handling tests? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/question.gif)

My take on that is that you roll your handling... But it could go either way, as it does not really indicate. Beauty of it is that your handling tests do not really change that much, but your Crash tests become instantly fatal if you fail (even if you ARE using the vehicle's protective systems).
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post Mar 4 2011, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 4 2011, 06:06 AM) *
My take on that is that you roll your handling... But it could go either way, as it does not really indicate. Beauty of it is that your handling tests do not really change that much, but your Crash tests become instantly fatal if you fail (even if you ARE using the vehicle's protective systems).

Last point, I agree with, although I'd certainly give the PC one last roll and see if he could make it. Or, he could burn a point of Edge to hit a small pillow, etc, etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) But what's your logic for making him make a Handling test for running? Isn't it enough that he has to make regular athletics rolls? Wouldn't that simulate control at a high running speed, as well as maintaining that speed?
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post Mar 4 2011, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 4 2011, 07:37 AM) *
Last point, I agree with, although I'd certainly give the PC one last roll and see if he could make it. Or, he could burn a point of Edge to hit a small pillow, etc, etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) But what's your logic for making him make a Handling test for running? Isn't it enough that he has to make regular athletics rolls? Wouldn't that simulate control at a high running speed, as well as maintaining that speed?


Indeed, I was more commenting on Vehicle interactions, rather than running (Some how I missed that part). Apparently, I believe that "Binky" is a vehicle now, more than a "person". Not sure how that happened, other than apparently not paying complete attention to the text. My bad...
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post Mar 4 2011, 03:24 PM
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Technically, Binky is still a living being.
Technocally, Binky is an equine hovertank.
That's the whole beauty of it really ^^
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post Mar 4 2011, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 4 2011, 08:24 AM) *
Technically, Binky is still a living being.
Technocally, Binky is an equine hovertank.
That's the whole beauty of it really ^^

Indeed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 4 2011, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 4 2011, 11:24 AM) *
Technically, Binky is still a living being.
Technocally, Binky is an equine hovertank.
That's the whole beauty of it really ^^

OK, I have to ask, does Binky have a partner named "Susan Death"?
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post Mar 4 2011, 04:06 PM
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Probably one of the Lead-Scientists/Mechanics ^^
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post Mar 4 2011, 04:11 PM
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And another one named Bill Door?
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post Mar 4 2011, 04:18 PM
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*shrurgs*
somebody has to craft the one of a kind weapon focus scythe of doom that can cut through tanks and fit into a storage compartment ^^
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post Mar 4 2011, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 4 2011, 12:18 PM) *
*shrurgs*
somebody has to craft the one of a kind weapon focus scythe of doom that can cut through tanks and fit into a storage compartment ^^

Yeah, but did he sharpen it with his own rage?
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post Mar 4 2011, 05:00 PM
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No, Air-Elemental ^^
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post Mar 4 2011, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 4 2011, 01:00 PM) *
No, Air-Elemental ^^

So he sharpened it with the rising sun!
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post Mar 4 2011, 05:12 PM
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Notably, Disc-light is slower and thicker than normal light.
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post Mar 4 2011, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 4 2011, 01:12 PM) *
Notably, Disc-light is slower and thicker than normal light.

Yeah, it's been scienmagically confirmed to only move at the speed of sound.
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post Mar 4 2011, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 4 2011, 12:19 PM) *
Yeah, it's been scienmagically confirmed to only move at the speed of sound.


And the only known thing to travel faster than normal light is succession. The kingons or possibly queenons that make up the transfer of power travel from one ruler to the next instantly (unless, of course, they're interrupted enroute by a republicon).
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post Mar 5 2011, 03:58 AM
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QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Mar 2 2011, 08:31 PM) *
I see how having raptor legs makes you run faster and I see how having roller skates makes you go faster, but I don't think you would go any faster on roller skates if you had raptor legs.
The way I understand inline skating, I don't even know if you could skate properly with raptor legs.
We could always glue some Roller Blades to an ostrich and find out.


I'm pretty good with rollerblades, and can do a few miles at a stretch- not quite as fast as a bike, but faster than running. I'd say without a dobt having "raptor" legs could help, because they increase leg extension. That would both let you take a longer "power stroke" when you push off with the skate, giving you more power per stroke and requiring fewer power strokes for a given distance traveled. That last part is really what caps your speed (and tires you out).
As to whether the legs bend that way, or you could find skates that fit... well, people are adaptable in how they move, and I'm a big proponent of most wearable items in Shadowrun being produced with what would today be considered "rapid prototyping" methods. You might have to pay a bit extra for some custom design work, but that's no big deal (there's examples of much more complex software tasks as trivial jobs in the book) and manufacture should be no problem.
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post Mar 5 2011, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (Ryu @ Mar 3 2011, 01:49 AM) *
From that point either have BOD 8 STR 8 and a heavy weapon, or STR 7 and a way to deal strength-based damage.


Would Bone Density Augmentation 4 work for you? [STR/2]+3 P sounds beastly on a STR14 Troll...
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post Mar 5 2011, 04:36 PM
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I'd rather pick a fight with a pissed off Bill Door!
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post Mar 5 2011, 05:41 PM
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Just the first post, without mentioning breaks, has me having a Magilla Gorrilla type imagry of the Troll ,especially on the hills of Seattle, having made the get away realize he doesn't have breaks and thunders towards Lake Union, a bar on the lake, the wall of the bar and then a troll shaped hole in the wall.
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post Mar 6 2011, 01:10 AM
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Troll looking perfectly serious :"Hand me that anchor chain from my backpack"
Ork with confused look on his face:""What do you need an anchor chain for in there?"
Troll doing a pokerface imitation :"My anchor?"
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post Mar 6 2011, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Mar 5 2011, 01:41 PM) *
Just the first post, without mentioning breaks, has me having a Magilla Gorrilla type imagry of the Troll ,especially on the hills of Seattle, having made the get away realize he doesn't have breaks and thunders towards Lake Union, a bar on the lake, the wall of the bar and then a troll shaped hole in the wall.

That's right, Seattle is like San Fran in their streets, eh?

That just made my car chase scenes more interesting, thank you!

I have to go watch "Bullitt" again.
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