![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
![]()
Post
#1
|
|
Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,258 Joined: 9-March 10 From: The Citadel Member No.: 18,267 ![]() |
I understand how these work in principal and the rules are clear enough but...
1. does the filter affect only what the winning hacker sees? 2. will it change other persona icons? 3. if there are multiple reality filters running in the node do they change the architecture for the hacker running them only or for all the hackers in the node? ie do they override the system only or the filters on another 'link? Thanks |
|
|
![]()
Post
#2
|
|
Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,083 Joined: 13-December 10 From: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Member No.: 19,228 ![]() |
1. Insofar as that he sees the UI he's used to working with, instead of the node's own virtual sculpting, yes.
2. See 1. 3. Reality Filters change the way a single user perceives the node he's in. Every single thing within it will conform to the design of his Reality Filter, from the node's layout, to the programs running on it, and the iconography of the users on it. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#3
|
|
Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,272 Joined: 22-June 10 From: Omaha. NE Member No.: 18,746 ![]() |
1) yes
2) no 3) only theirs Big node is set up with a Napoleonic architecture. Hacker A successfully uses a sci-fi reality filter. Hacker B successfully uses a fantasy filter. Hacker C fails to use a surfing filter. IMO (can't support this by the book one bit) hacker A & B are comfortable in their preferred realities (+1 each). Hacker C is having this really jarring mixture of surfers and french soldiers surfing/riding through french towns with the occasional tiki themed business (-1). C would be better off just killing the filter and using the unfamiliar metaphor. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#4
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
It should have been +1 if you succeed, +0 if you fail, on that test. Otherwise, no one would use reality filters.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#5
|
|
Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,272 Joined: 22-June 10 From: Omaha. NE Member No.: 18,746 ![]() |
Why aren't you using them anyway and then turning it off if it doesn't succeed?
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#6
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#7
|
|
Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
They could make them per-login, or simply waste Actions switching.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#8
|
|
Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,019 Joined: 10-November 10 From: Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia Member No.: 19,166 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#9
|
|
Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 ![]() |
Does anyone really them? and if so what?
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#10
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#11
|
|
Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
*shrug* Hacking is fundamentally about speed. Defending against it is about slowing the hacker down, etc. If it costs actions at all, that's helping.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#12
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 25-August 08 From: Wherever and whenever Member No.: 16,278 ![]() |
If I'm probing then I'll use it just because I'm already in and they failed to spot me so I have the time to waste. Plus you never know when that +1 could mean the difference between tripping a data bomb and getting away clean.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#13
|
|
Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,083 Joined: 13-December 10 From: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Member No.: 19,228 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#14
|
|
Awakened Asset ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 ![]() |
There is "Customized Interface" in Unwired, and that is IMO as far as it should go, both from effect and rules complication. The way your commlink displays information for you will (IMO) always be set for your preferences. If the way the matrix is displayed to you matters, please tell me (regardless of my GM/player state). As far as familiarity with a certain iconography is concerned, I´d look more at knowledge skills than program ownership.
But as said, the rules are clear. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#15
|
|
Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
The idea is that VR *matters*. When you enter a virtual environment, you really enter it. This is perhaps much more clear with UV nodes, but still. I'm not saying RF is a good job. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#16
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 25-August 08 From: Wherever and whenever Member No.: 16,278 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#17
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 963 Joined: 15-February 11 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 21,972 ![]() |
Techno? Gotta love threading.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#18
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
With Stealth 7+ it hardly matters. This is why I don't like the hacking rules: If your Stealth rating is high enough (i.e. "7+") you can't be detected ever no matter what they might as well not even try. You win. If your Stealth rating is not high enough then you're detected all the time every time no matter what you might as well not even try. You lose (and have a chance at being killed outright*). *If you are a technomancer and cybercomat begins, abort immediately and make a new character. That's REAL damage you're taking there, Son. And it's unresisted (you get your Armor CF, that's it; the game doesn't care if it's effecting you like Biofeedback does, it's still not resisted with your Biofeedback rating). |
|
|
![]()
Post
#19
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 963 Joined: 15-February 11 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 21,972 ![]() |
That last part is real dumb, so dumb I didn't even notice it til now. I've always given the technos biofeedback for cyber combat.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#20
|
|
Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
This is why I don't like the hacking rules: If your Stealth rating is high enough (i.e. "7+") you can't be detected ever no matter what they might as well not even try. You win. If your Stealth rating is not high enough then you're detected all the time every time no matter what you might as well not even try. You lose (and have a chance at being killed outright*). You do realize that once you are in the system, every action you perform likely results in an OPPOSED Stealth Test vs the System's/Agent's/Hacker's Analyze right? Since it is opposed, you can be seen. I have seen the technomancers rating 14 Stealth get cracked by a rating 9 system. Roll enough times and you will be spotted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
|
|
![]()
Post
#21
|
|
Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
That last part is real dumb, so dumb I didn't even notice it til now. I've always given the technos biofeedback for cyber combat. Armor is for the Attack Damage inflicted... Biofeedback Filter is for the BlackHammer/BlackOut/Biofeedback Damage Inflicted... They both have uses... And a Technomancer who does not have Shield is usually a dead Technomancer... |
|
|
![]()
Post
#22
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 25-August 08 From: Wherever and whenever Member No.: 16,278 ![]() |
Actually I was talking about the Milspech progs from War. Besides BRs it's the only thing we use from it because it's done nothing bad while making some stuff better. As said in Unwired Milspec programs were only given as special rewards for missions. In my case it was getting the R9 stealth after rescuing a GOD investigator who was being tortured in a UV node.
I don't think they would be Analyzing you if the account you have is legal. As in the rules in Unwired that show you how to hack a legit account. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#23
|
|
Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Nope, they analyze you constantly, regardless. Otherwise, it makes no sense, and it's impossible to ever find hackers.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#24
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 25-August 08 From: Wherever and whenever Member No.: 16,278 ![]() |
Then what's the point of making a legit account?
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#25
|
|
Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 ![]() |
You can do certain actions without a roll.
|
|
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 11th July 2025 - 06:39 AM |
Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.