 Stupid Question involving binding spirits |
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  Nov 9 2011, 10:37 PM
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I tried searching for this first, and from reading other posts I think I know the answer, but I want to make sure.
Example (not worrying about the drain portion): Mage summons a spirit, mage gets 4 successes, spirit gets 1 for 3 net. Mage has 3 services from the unbound spirit at this point. Mage then binds the spirit, mage gets 3 successes, spirit gets 1 for 2 net(1 of those used just to bind). Mage has 4 services from the now bound spirit at this point. Mage decides to rebind the spirit for more services, mage gets 3 successes, spirit gets none for 3 net. Mage has 7 services from the bound spirit at this point. Is this all correct and if not where did I mess up? *Edit - Forgot to state 4th edition. |
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Nov 9 2011, 11:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 681 Joined: 23-March 10 From: Japan Member No.: 18,343 |
This is how we've played it. I really don't know if this is the most common interpretation of the rules or not though.
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Nov 10 2011, 01:27 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
It is indeed correct. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Nov 10 2011, 05:29 AM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,236 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
Shouldn't the original 3 services from the Summoning be increased by 2 from the first Binding to 5 and then to 8 by the rebinding? Where is it stated that being Bound is a service?
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Nov 10 2011, 05:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 681 Joined: 23-March 10 From: Japan Member No.: 18,343 |
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 10 2011, 02:29 PM)  Shouldn't the original 3 services from the Summoning be increased by 2 from the first Binding to 5 and then to 8 by the rebinding? Where is it stated that being Bound is a service? Sorry, no. The first net hit on the binding test "binds" the spirit. Any extra net hits add to the services. -D *edited for spelling* |
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Nov 10 2011, 06:36 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 3-November 11 Member No.: 42,612 |
Thanks much, appreciate it.
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Nov 10 2011, 07:35 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
If these are the results of the rolls, you are right, but it is unlikely that the spirit will achieve the same amount or less hits on the binding and rebinding rolls, because its dice pool is twice as large. So don't count on it happening that way.
It is actually better to summon and bind a new spirit than to rebind an old one, if you can handle the drain. |
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Nov 10 2011, 03:01 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,236 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
QUOTE (rlor @ Nov 9 2011, 05:37 PM) I tried searching for this first, and from reading other posts I think I know the answer, but I want to make sure. Example (not worrying about the drain portion): Mage summons a spirit, mage gets 4 successes, spirit gets 1 for 3 net. Mage has 3 services from the unbound spirit at this point. Mage then binds the spirit, mage gets 3 successes, spirit gets 1 for 2 net(1 of those used just to bind). Mage has 4 services from the now bound spirit at this point. Mage decides to rebind the spirit for more services, mage gets 3 successes, spirit gets none for 3 net. Mage has 7 services from the bound spirit at this point. Is this all correct and if not where did I mess up? *Edit - Forgot to state 4th edition. QUOTE (DMiller @ Nov 10 2011, 12:33 AM) Sorry, no. The first net hit on the binding test "binds" the spirit. Any extra net hits add to the services. -D *edited for spelling* Yes, the first hit of 3 is used up to do the actual binding. So with 3 hits from before, that makes 3 + 2 = 5. Then 3 more from the rebinding makes 8. What am I missing? |
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Nov 10 2011, 03:49 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 10 2011, 08:01 AM) Yes, the first hit of 3 is used up to do the actual binding. So with 3 hits from before, that makes 3 + 2 = 5. Then 3 more from the rebinding makes 8. What am I missing? Except that there were only 2 Net successes from the actual binding roll (3-1=2), one of those of which is used for the Binding itself (2-1=1), so 4 total services at that point (3+1=4) not 5... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Nov 10 2011, 07:17 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,236 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
Ah... I see now... I misread the 'net successes part'. Please forgive this interruption. We now return you to the regularly scheduled broadcast...
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