It was a breakthrough at a facility in the middle of a metric crapton of black holes which made it nigh impossible to find or escape from which the only person on the outside that had knowledge of it died with the first Death Star, 11 years before someone from the outside discovered it.

Only because they were stupid and only built one. There was nothing keeping them from building more, which was his entire fucking point.

Unique:
distinctively characteristic

There is nothing about the launcher used to launch the star crusher missiles that is "distinctive" other than it's ammo.

If there's more than 1 of the ammo, then building more launchers is entirely doable.

Therefore not unique.

Unless the launcher itself was made of unobtainium and powered by the hearts of newly wed virgins.

Which would be dumb.

No, you do not go into production until you have worked out the bugs of the prototype (otherwise your production models have the same bugs as the prototype. Seems pretty stupid to go into production if the prototye has never been functionally tested, now doesn't it?). Since the Prototype was stolen before it was even completed (and as a result never actually tested), there would not have been any Extras. *Sheesh*

"Prototype" and "stolen" don't factor into an argument about "feasibility."

In any case, an object the size of a tie fighter that can take a shot from a death star (albeit glancing) and "be OK" is itself a super weapon.

I mean, fuck, the same hit on a moon sized celestial object would obliterate said moon-sized-object, turning it into little more than dust and rubble.

So yes, a single-pilot fighter craft with the durability of a planet qualifies as a super weapon, even without weapons.

Yes, the Suncrusher Weapon Platform was indeed a Superweapon in its own right. Never said it wasn't.
This is the reason it was ultimately fed to a Black Hole (Since the heart of a Gas Giant did nothing appreciable to it damage wise).

And it is Infeasible to produce production models of a Weapon/Platform until the weapon/platform have been tested and all the bugs have been worked out. *shrug*

Even if the launcher was unique in its DESIGN there is nothing forcing anyone to fit it into a superships hull. We all agree that the ubership was a fighter ship in size which means that the launcher itself was not that overly big.

Ergo - it can fit in any ship size that is larger than that.

That the launcher design is unique does not mean that it cannot be mass produced and put into other hulls unless they have some special explanation just WHY only one singular hull could have the launcher.

Unless the launcher puts some unimaginable forces into play that would rip any other ship design apart due to that it might NEED said superhull then it would be one thing. But unless that is the case it is just a launcher designed for a specific type of missile.

Ripping out the entire bomb/torpedo launcher of a Tie Bomber and replacing the entire hollow interior with one specialized launcher for one type of missile is not very difficult unless we have some odd condition forcing it unto ONE kind of hull.

That's the implausible thing that makes the plot silly. It's like saying the M1A1 abrahams hull is the only tank that can carry the 105mm smoothbore cannon regardless of how you replace the turret on another tank or juryrig another vehicle to have it.

Next time, use that as a first argument and don't be vague about it.



And it's still poor writing.

I dont question that testing a prototype is important but the main beef is why the need of a ship literally made out of unobtanium? Why not just the launcher and build SEVERAL of them and test.

You never just build ONE, you build SEVERAL to test.

Not to mention that the expensive part of the ship seems to be the hull itself, not the missile ammunition or the actual launcher. If the launcher was the extremely expensive part and NEED the ship to function as I wrote in the earlier post then it's one thing that firing the missile creates gravitational forces that rips other ships apart for example.

Ummmmm... They could not install it in any other ship, becuase they did not have the cpability to do so. The research was destroyed, and the Designer was killed. The prototype was eventually fed to a Black Hole. How exactly are they supposed to go to Production on this thing? Especially since its existence was a closely guarded secret to start with?

The ship itself was the more promising superweapon, quite honestly.

"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

Or, to put it another way, if Darth Vader had flown out to the Maw and seen the Sun Crusher ship without any torpedoes aboard and commandeered it, Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope would have been the ending of the series, since the impact of a single crashing TIE fighter would have done jack shit to a ship made out of a neutronium cannonball, and Vader would have been on course to take the shots to take out Luke's X-Wing.

So really, the most dangerous thing you could do with it wouldn't have been to put the sun-crusher missiles aboard, that was just a bonus. The best thing you could have done with it would be to put Darth Vader in the pilot's seat and let him cruise around crushing the Rebellion.


[e]Also, wouldn't enough neutronium to armor a ship create a gravitational mass big enough to pulp anyone or anything that came near it?

Thought that it was pretty sef-evident, since that is how prototyping actually works. I should not have had to actually say it, since it is financially stupid to do it any other way. *shrugh*

And yet your argument does not stand on it own legs, since the Force is incapable of actually destroying a Solar System (or if it is, no one has yet to master such an ability), as the Suncrusher was able to do. *shrug*

how did this thread derail into this O.o.... btw, still not enough dakka.

Ummm... Because it was desinged that way, so it could potentially withstand the destruction of the Sytem it was destroying. Which, IIRC, it actually did at one point (Though I could be wrong on that count, been a while since I read the novels). *shrug*

Only if you can afford to build several. I am pretty certain that the ship was an integral component of the weapon.

And the "Ammunition" was not typically what one would call a Missile/Torpedo. It was an Energy Resonance Packet that was generated by the weapon/ship combination. Been a while since I actually read the book, though, and I have never actually seen any stats for it in the Game, itself (as I use Feng Shui for my Star Wars Pleasure).

*Shrug* Don't know, but do you REALLY need more Dakka than the ability to destroy a Solar System? Hmmmmm..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

as stated earlier.. WAY earlier in this thread, you get the dakka, paint it red, den u git mo dakka, to paint red, solor sytim, bahhh, me want kill o'l galaxy. ya git, ( XD)

Game. Set. Match.

Naga Sadow. Made a star go fucking supernova.

Don't be too proud of some little torpedoes you've constructed. The ability to destroy a star system is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

6000 Years ago or so, big deal, and only on a Star that was already unstable and likely to have been on its way to Nova Anyways. Has it EVER been duplicated since with Force Powers? Pretty sure that is a NO. So, no, I am not impressed with Naga Sadow.

Ooooh Look, Suncrusher did it multiple times, on completely stable stars... WOW, you don't even have to have the Force for that either. Imagine That.
I am not impressed with the Force. Panty Wasted Mystic Wannabes. *shrug*
So, I am pretty sure that is GAME. SET. MATCH.

And you would be wrong.

Tymeaus Jalynsfein > lol no you can't, the Force can't cause supernovae.
ShadowDragon8685 > *direct proof that in fact it can cause supernovae because of proof it did.*
Tymeaus Jalynsfein > *takes the goalposts and runs*

older jedi/sith were much stronger, my fav is revan. :3. though luke may be on his way to that, since he can summon (from some accounts) a whole fleet of freakin fighter ships with nothing but the force. or so its said.

I doubt it... But you are certainly welcome to claim that if it makes you feel any better.

Naga Sadow did not cause a Super Nova from a Stable Star, he required one that weas already unstable. And he ONLY EVER ACCOMPLISHED THAT FEAT ONCE.

Suncrusher destroyed Multuple Star Systems, targeting Stable Stars (not those weak, unstable ones, mind you), and did not require the Force to do it at all.

Hmmmmm... Which seems more powerful to you? Oh, and I bet that had Naga Sadow stayed in the System he casued the Super Nova in, he would have died. Not so much for the SunCrusher (Impervious to all damage). Why did Naga Sadow not pursue this end game whenever he was challenged? Hmmm? Maybe because he could not do it on a system with a Stable Star? Naaaw, that couldn't be it, could it? Could it be that the Force was not the actual cause of the Super Nova at all? Of course not. It was all Sadow's doing the whole time, right?

No moving of Goal Posts at all. The Force was destructively weaker than the Suncrusher was. Simple as that.

You really make me Laugh, you know that ShadowDragon8685.

Have not read that set yet... Not even sure where to look for that particular piece of legend.

If we're willing to downgrade our superweapon's firepower a little bit...
You have an indestructible material. use it to create ultra-thin shells and fill them with Lead, Iron, or something else with a good bit of weight to it.
Stick these shells in a high-end rail gun or equivalent, possibly using gravity to accelerate the rounds to near light-speed if rail guns don't do it for you.

yeah, that's going to hurt someone. the amount of the material is irrelevant as if the coating is a few molecules thin then you're still going to be getting a lot of rounds out of it, and as they don't deform on impact due to the indestructium coating all their energy is spent punching through whatever it is you're shooting at.

And the Defiant would run circles around these monstrosities and blast them into plasma.

reason I say so it is said, is Its more from a friend of mine who is huge on starwars, both movie/cartoon/books. mabye its a interweb myth tbh not sure, but it sounds freakin awesome lol. you gotta admit that. so there probably is SOME truth to it, if that isnt the whole truth, but dont look at me, ive read a few books seen teh movies, and some of teh show, but im not huge into, ill see if my friend can find it for us though.