 The Weatherman, mage focusing on elemental effects |
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 Jan 9 2013, 07:41 AM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,373 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036  |
I'd like to try building a magician focusing on indirect elemental combat spells like shooting Lightning and summoning a Blizzard. Later on he's supposed to get into dual-elemental spells like Meteor (Fire+Metal). Furthermore he'll be summoning (and invoking) Water (Weather Control power) and Air (Storm power) spirits. There are also some interesting manipulation spells like Mist, Alter Temperature, Elemental Aura, Poltergeist and Ice Sheet.
This will be a drain heavy build, so the first to pick up will be Centering and a Centering focus. Most likely he'll be of a Logic tradition, so he can profit from Cerebral booster. This also opens up space for a Trauma Dampener. I'll give him Meteorology 6 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I don't want him to be something weird but with nice base stats, like an eagle shifter or a nosferatu (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . Haven't quite rules out Surge, but I'd rather use Focused Concentration and be "normal". I'm not sure about Hermetics with Fetishes though. Last thing I can think of right now is a sustaining focus with Improved Willpower. I'd need restricted Gear at chargen for this. But technically I do need Improved Reflexes as well. Later on I'll also need Cleansing to cope with background count. And then there is Divination, because that's what predicting the weather is all about! There's so much there, like reading the clouds, listening to the wind, etc. Any suggestions? |
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Jan 9 2013, 07:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 13-November 11 From: Vienna, Austria Member No.: 43,494 |
[Element] Cloud from WAR! creates a supressive fire zone with a diameter of FORCE, DV of FORCE+Elemental effects and a dodge threshold of NET HITS.
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Jan 9 2013, 07:50 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
QUOTE (Makki @ Jan 9 2013, 12:41 AM)  focusing on indirect elemental combat spells A smartlink in your Cybereyes. Then, using an Eye Laser System, and Smartgun System modding it, lets you have both halves to the smartlink +2 built into your very sight. |
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Jan 9 2013, 07:58 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,373 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jan 9 2013, 09:50 AM) A smartlink in your Cybereyes. Then, using an Eye Laser System, and Smartgun System modding it, lets you have both halves to the smartlink +2 built into your very sight. I know there is a Smartgun version for cybereyes in War! that adds +1 to indirect combat spells. But where do you get the Eye Laser System bonus from? This is most likely your interpretation, right? @NiL_FisK_Urd: shouldn't the threshold be HITS? But Sand Cloud sounds like fun, becaue nobody will have desert adapted gear in Seattle. |
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Jan 9 2013, 08:06 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 |
Fetishes aren't limited to a handful of traditions, but usable by any. If you're going to eat a point of magic for cyber/bio, you can consider a skin pouch or a cyber hand with smuggling compartments to hide fetishes in (in a story I have a magician who has her fetishes concealed, small Nordic runestones, within the linked band of her wristwatch). I recall reading a post where the person described a chaos magician having a tailor made fetish implanted in her eye so it was just within her peripheral vision. Then there's the Microtrónica Azteca Spellslinger (War, page 161), if you can get your hands on one.
Might also consider the Flexible Signature metamagic, unless you don't mind leaving signatures around for Magic hours after you're done with your spells. You can also use it to alter your aura so it's harder to trace your spells back to you. |
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Jan 9 2013, 08:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 13-November 11 From: Vienna, Austria Member No.: 43,494 |
@Makki: sure, as this is a success tests, HITS = NET HITS
I like Ice Cloud more, because it shorts out electronics and people tend to trip on the ice ^^ |
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Jan 9 2013, 01:42 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,700 Joined: 1-July 10 Member No.: 18,778 |
IMO Sound Cloud is the best of the Cloud spells, because you don't add net hits to damage (since it's Suppressive Fire), but the secondary effect of Sound means 5-ish DV of Sound will still disable a lot of people.
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Jan 9 2013, 02:24 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Sounds like an entertaining character. I would be interested in seeing its final build.
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Jan 9 2013, 04:17 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
QUOTE (Makki @ Jan 9 2013, 12:58 AM) I know there is a Smartgun version for cybereyes in War! that adds +1 to indirect combat spells. But where do you get the Eye Laser System bonus from? This is most likely your interpretation, right? Incorrect. If you examine the smartlink text, you will find that it has no rules benefit by itself. (fluffwise, it adds a crosshair and a laser rangefinder and some other stuff), but you NEED both halves of the system to get any sort of mechanical benefit. If you check the smartgun system, you will find that: "When used with a smartlink, it provides a +2 dice pool bonus on the ranged attack test." From page 204: Indirect Combat spells are treated like ranged combat attacks; the caster makes a Spellcasting + Magic Success Test versus the target’s Reaction. From the FAQ: Yes, you can make a Called Shot with an Indirect Combat spell. However, since Taking Aim is a Simple Action and casting a spell is a Complex Action, you cannot do both in the same Action Phase; instead you would have to Take Aim before and then cast the spell. Use the character’s Spellcasting Skill when determining how many sequential Take Aim actions may be taken. Ergo, Indirect combat spells are 100% Ranged Attacks. They get all the perks and benefits of ranged attacks. Smartgun and Smartlinking your vision (and not your gun, or your scope, or your armthings,) puts both halves of the system in your eyes that control the Mystic Targeting Link, and applies the usual benefit to spells that are Ranged Attacks. If you MUST take it a step further, you may employ a Node Script to synch your Smartlink/Smartgun system to your actual vision focus,(this shouldn't be necessary, because we know the smartlink gives you a crosshair anyway) and in the case your GM is a real stickler, you can pilot upgrade your smartgun and instruct it to spend actions maintaining the synch for eternity, or use Clustering to make them literally the same node. On a side note, The aztech spell gauntlet is, however, good, and..... more importantly stacks with itself. They forgot the nonstacking clause that laser sights have. So any good indirect mage should be using two of them ANYway. And they all stack. Indirect Combat Spells are SO BAD that I have no qualms breaking things to get a +4 to all indirect combat spell tests. If I want to make a cowboy spellslinger that shoots fireballs with his fingerguns instead of revolvers, by golly I'm gonna find a way to make it happen. TLDR; Smartlinks give +2 on ranged attacks, indirect spells are ranged attacks, so all you have to do is find a way to add a Smartgun into the mix to take advantage of standard core rules. |
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Jan 9 2013, 05:01 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,930 Joined: 9-April 05 From: Scandinavian Union Member No.: 7,310 |
"The forecast for today is devastation!"
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Jan 9 2013, 11:16 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,700 Joined: 1-July 10 Member No.: 18,778 |
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jan 9 2013, 11:17 AM) Smartgun and Smartlinking your vision (and not your gun, or your scope, or your armthings,) puts both halves of the system in your eyes that control the Mystic Targeting Link, and applies the usual benefit to spells that are Ranged Attacks. You left out an important step: how, exactly, do you put Smartgun on your vision? |
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Jan 9 2013, 11:23 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 9 2013, 04:16 PM) You left out an important step: how, exactly, do you put Smartgun on your vision? By putting a smartgun system in your cybereyes right next to the smartlink. |
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Jan 9 2013, 11:24 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jan 9 2013, 04:23 PM) By putting a smartgun system in your cybereyes right next to the smartlink. Neat trick since it is not an Eye or Headware Modification. It is a WEAPON modification. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jan 9 2013, 11:26 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,700 Joined: 1-July 10 Member No.: 18,778 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 9 2013, 06:24 PM) Neat trick since it is not an Eye or Headware Modification. It is a WEAPON modification. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Exactly. |
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Jan 9 2013, 11:28 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 9 2013, 04:26 PM) Exactly. So WHAT WEAPON are you putting it on? Spells are not a WEAPON that you can apply it to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jan 9 2013, 11:34 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,930 Joined: 9-April 05 From: Scandinavian Union Member No.: 7,310 |
Cybereye gun?
Yup, that's a very shady interpretation. |
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Jan 9 2013, 11:46 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,700 Joined: 1-July 10 Member No.: 18,778 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 9 2013, 06:28 PM) So WHAT WEAPON are you putting it on? Spells are not a WEAPON that you can apply it to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Tymaeus, I was agreeing with you. |
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Jan 10 2013, 01:33 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 9 2013, 04:46 PM) Tymaeus, I was agreeing with you. Ahhh. I was confused. So, you agree that it is a ludicrous application? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jan 10 2013, 03:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 693 Joined: 26-March 03 Member No.: 4,335 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 10 2013, 02:33 AM) Ahhh. I was confused. So, you agree that it is a ludicrous application? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I do, at least. Unless you can get a spell with a powered slide mount. |
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Jan 10 2013, 05:00 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,700 Joined: 1-July 10 Member No.: 18,778 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 9 2013, 08:33 PM) Ahhh. I was confused. So, you agree that it is a ludicrous application? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Yes. |
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Jan 10 2013, 02:58 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
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Jan 10 2013, 09:49 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 9 2013, 04:24 PM) Neat trick since it is not an Eye or Headware Modification. It is a WEAPON modification. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Eye Tool Lasers are compatable for weapon mods; as something with a weapon statline they have 6 modslots. This gives you a smartgun in your eye. It is literally part of the same device that the smartlink is in. Cluster your smartgun with your azteca spellslinger and your smartlink. QUOTE The Spellslinger is a glove that assists spellcasters in the aiming of their spells. It contains customized smartgun hardware that works with a smartlink. If a smartgun on your arm works with a smartlink for spells, then a smartgun in your eyes works with a smartlink for spells. In Short, whatever method you use to link the spellslinger to the smartlink(a wi fi Subscription, perhaps), the same method can be applied equally to an smarteye. Any reasoning you use to deny the smarteye the bonus, must also be applied to the gunslinger, or else it doesn't hold water since they're the same thing. |
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Jan 10 2013, 09:54 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jan 10 2013, 02:49 PM) Eye Tool Lasers are compatable for weapon mods; as something with a weapon statline they have 6 modslots. This gives you a smartgun in your eye. It is literally part of the same device that the smartlink is in. Cluster your smartgun with your azteca spellslinger and your smartlink. If a smartgun on your arm works with a smartlink for spells, then a smartgun in your eyes works with a smartlink for spells. In Short, whatever method you use to link the spellslinger to the smartlink(a wi fi Subscription, perhaps), the same method can be applied equally to an smarteye. Any reasoning you use to deny the smarteye the bonus, must also be applied to the gunslinger, or else it doesn't hold water since they're the same thing. A Smartgun is not a Smartlink. The Smartgun in your Eye Laser IS FOR THE LASER, regardless of what it is clustered with. You cannot use it with your Ares Predator, since it is NOT MOUNTED TO THE GUN. What you are saying allows the smartgun in the Ares Predator to work with the spells, and this is patently false. The Smartgun Modification in the GLOVES works for spells, and would not work for your Eye laser. Why would you expect the reverse? |
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Jan 11 2013, 09:07 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,373 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 9 2013, 04:24 PM) Sounds like an entertaining character. I would be interested in seeing its final build. This is my first draft (slightly modified karmagen): [ Spoiler ]
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Jan 11 2013, 03:41 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Makki @ Jan 11 2013, 02:07 AM) This is my first draft (slightly modified karmagen): [ Spoiler ] I like him... |
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