Well I now feel like a cheapskate... thanks for making me look like a heel Draco. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I miss feelies. I open game boxes and feel so dejected today.

Hell, most games aren't even shipping with INSTRUCTION BOOKS any longer! And the stuff you could cram into them for entertainment value... Bah, I'm old, never mind me, just let me rock here next to Bull. Maybe he can loan me one of his spare Panther Assault Cannons to shoot the insurance agents and revenuers with...

Are you trying to encourage or discourage them to do something here? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Damn, I see that Decking is a skill, but I can't see any way it is used in the game so far. I really want to play SRR as a decker and hire muscle when I need it.

Fission Mailed!
Bluehorns out! *Draco18s Poofs*

(If it makes you feel any better, I spent $30 on mud the other week. Yes. Mud. Dredged up from the bottom of the Dead Sea.)

I have no idea why or how, but apparently some folks thought I was an NPC in the game, or somehow involved with SR:R. I'm not beyond Kickstarting enough to get the box with all the feelies. I wish I was, however.

I would love to have the cash to have a icon next to my missions, if I'm able to use the editor, but... No, I can't afford it.

I know, what's up with that? admittedly in todays day and age we got wiki's and in-game codex, but still! I want a proper bloody manual that can serve as bedtime reading or an improvised weapon!
*sigh* I might be a young un but I still miss those.

i admit to nothing! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ^^


also: i am poor, only had 175 Bucks to give SRR <.<;,

The layout of the shadowrun.com forums make browsing them cost at least 3D6 Sanity...

The layout is fine. It's the functionality...

(There's no "jump to new post" button, there's no new post notifications, there's no...)

Six top-level forums, most with another 4-7 subforums and in some cases even sub-subforums. Four or five different off-topic forums, overlapping content areas (tabletop vs "world of shadowrun")...
Just browsing this nightmare for ten minutes was enough to put me off ever since.

Oh, that's the organization. Yeah, that's hell too.

(Layout = What the site looks like; sorry I have to make these distinctions in my industry)

Game looks fun. I'm sorry I didn't contribute to the KS now. For $15 I'll pick it up, just for giggles. Even if I don't go deep into it, it'll be worth a bit of fun just poking around with it.

I'm curious as to how robust the character creation will be.

Mkay, makes sense

Now, the layout could be better, but it's not terrible.

But yeah, just about everything else is.

If it's not easy to navigate, and use, people won't navigate it or use it.

Case in point: I don't use it

I don't either, and for those exact reasons. Too much of a hassle. I much prefer Dumpshock and to a lesser extent Jackpoint.

Yup

So, there's a commentary on the video up on the HBS website.
http://harebrained-schemes.com/post/shadow...rns-first-look/

Some quotes and my thoughts:

Note, that it says 'based on the math from the SR tabletop'. It doesn't say 1:1 port, which is very fine by me. It still relies on the underlying rule set and this plays on my nostalgia. I like.
The specializations thing obviously works a bit differently, but I like the added utility of knowing crit chance.


So, this means that there _will_ be etiquette skills. Good to know, and I'm hoping charisma bombing will be a viable playstyle ^^


Very reminiscent of the Genesis version. I like this.


The rigger functionality is a bit limited, but this is a nice touch. I'm guessing there won't be any vehicle chases, only drones.


Sounds reasonable to me, to be honest. Still waiting for mechanics for hermetic mages, though. I'm curious if they can summon the same way or not at all. This troll shaman doesn't seem to have the spellcasting skills, but I'm wondering if he can acquire them.


Seems to be on a related note to:

I would love it, if both classes can summon all the time, but shamans can use those concentrations while mages have the use of the ley 'lines'.


Interesting. I wonder if you can also take drain randomly.

I actually hope not. I want a clear distinction between my magical classes. D&--er, that other game, is having a hard time classifying their druid separately from the cleric. That is, what abilities should the druid HAVE that makes them distinct from the cleric, but strong enough and useful enough to warrant half-casting?
Similarly the wizard and sorcerer (although I prefer sorc over wizard because I don't have to think about what spells I want, except when I can learn new ones).

Gameplay over rules, in my opinion.
Either you have magicians preparing elementals in advance (how is that supposed to work in a game where you hire your partners?) and have a completely different class of spirits available to the shamans, or you give them both the same ressource with a different focus.
I like the latter option, as this is what SR4 has done, and something which I heartily approve of. Even with the loss of a bit of flavor, UMT all the way! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The clear distinction in this case is that magicians have their focus on the ley points, err ... lines, and shamans on the emotive things like the skulls. It's elegant in my opinion.

I thought I remembered reading something that said that shaman would summon spirits and magi would cast spells.

Wasn't that shadowrun online?

Or you let mages summon spirits from fetishes as shown in the vid (which would make fetishes the equivalent of Summoning Materials) and shamans work from emotions and elements without the twisted spirits because that is totally beyond what players should be able to do.