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post Mar 14 2013, 03:19 AM
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Feel More. Do Less.

The Sixth World is full of seductions, and perhaps no siren song is sweeter than that of simsense. Feel the rush of new love without the work of having to date another person. Skydive from the upper reaches of the atmosphere without leaving your couch. Experience every emotion humans are capable of feeling, and do it with a greater intensity than most humans will ever feel. Just don’t spend too much time wondering what it’s doing to your brain.

Alleys and backrooms of every major sprawl in the world are littered with better-than-life junkies who can do nothing but think about their next fix. Reality is nothing more a pale shadow of the vitality and energy they experience with the right chips and downloads. Their need is deep—which, in the hallowed tradition of the Sixth World, means they are ripe for exploitation.

Sim Dreams and Nightmarescontains information about the full range of simsense offerings, as well as new qualities and addiction rules to fully reflect the toll that simsense and better-than-life offerings can take on users. Runners can learn how to deal with the addicts out there—and explore how deep into the seamier side of the Sixth World they want to get.
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post Mar 14 2013, 08:29 AM
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This another one of yours Canray?
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post Mar 14 2013, 09:33 AM
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I have to admit I'm more interested in this than in Storm Front.

After an Attitude! where the writers didn't seem to know that there is such thing as legal simsense and where the movies and series of 2070 had little to no difference with today's, there certainly is room for improvement.
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post Mar 14 2013, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (Mantis @ Mar 14 2013, 09:29 AM) *
This another one of yours Canray?

How could you guess (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif)
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post Mar 14 2013, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (Mantis @ Mar 14 2013, 03:29 AM) *
This another one of yours Canray?
Yep, this one is mine.

Expect me to pimp it at every opportunity, just like Safehouses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 14 2013, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (Blade @ Mar 14 2013, 10:33 AM) *
I have to admit I'm more interested in this than in Storm Front.

After an Attitude! where the writers didn't seem to know that there is such thing as legal simsense and where the movies and series of 2070 had little to no difference with today's, there certainly is room for improvement.

YES. So yes. And it doesn't download. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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post Mar 14 2013, 11:58 AM
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I've passed it along. Hopefully they'll get this fixed up quick.
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post Mar 14 2013, 12:08 PM
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Hope so too. Thanks and congrats to the promotion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Though I'm wondering, what'll become of your data haven now? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Edit: Works now. That was fast. Thanks.

This'll get a review soon.
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post Mar 14 2013, 02:10 PM
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Review.

Okay, so let's start with the title image. The image not only looks sweet, it also hammers home the topic of the file. It shows off, but not with seminude babes (which bore me by now, more than anything else) but with hilarious simsense Johnny Spinrad-esque orc versus RL ork bum. The interior art also is quite impressive. AAS is fast becoming THE artist for Shadowrun in this era, much like Mike Jackson and Geier were in early SR. Not that the others are shabby, but he gets the feel I want Shadowrun to have best, I think. And all the detail that's speaking to dedicated fanboys like me.

The opening story is fantastic and pretty much ... well, it deals with the one thing that defined SimSense craziness for me, early on, back when 2E was new and I had just spent two weeks' worth of pocket money on 2XS. It's just a throwaway sentence in that book, and yet it has stayed with me through all these years. This story is the story of that sentence. And it's written in a way, with tone and flavor, that is worthy of Nigel Findley.

Generally, this details the SimSense and BTL usage as I have done for myself, which I of course like. I'm probably biased here, but I think that's a logical expansion on what has been written, and especially the therapeutic SimSense used to 'resocialise' criminals and addicts I have already used, as a private expansion on what SimSense can do. Also, CGL, you totally owe me brain bleach for Hannibelle's comment on snuff beetles.

As aways with Croteau's writing, it's the little details that get me. Victor Vigilante, the intro-fic referencing that one half-sentence from 2XS, the sheep. Hell, I'd pay if he wrote a "runs gone bad" PDF! I feel that, among the current writers, he is among those who most "get" Shadowrun as I love it (and kudos for the Molly Millions shout-out). Also, he's so far the only author whose /dev/grrl writeups make me actually kinda like her. AAS' fantastic art full of inside jokes (Neill!) is the icing on this delicious epub cake. Old Art has seen re-use too, but thoughtfully; the Bunraku pic is among the best Chernik did for SR, and the down-and-out junkie is the weakest art but at least fits in thematically.

The addiction qualities are varied, reasonably balanced, and flavorful. I know a character who has two of them out of hand, and I certainly will use them as soon as I can. That's what the system has been missing, far more than yet another combat rifle, stats for great dragons or Charm of Nurgle, the spell. As with the additional lifestyle qualities of Safehouses, this adds flavor instead of more items of +2. The new addiction list and the simsense-based drugs price list also add to the game, I think.

Some small dark spots cannot be ignored, though they're a wide trend with CGL products. There are typos, more than one, and sometimes glaring. Proofing apparently wasn't effective enough. Neither was editing, some sentences look positively mangled. If editing even happened, this looks a bit like handed in close or slightly over deadline and just handed down to layout for production without any editing happening because a bad product still sells, while editing takes time that could be put to use making more sub-standard product instead.

9/10, with one point below perfect for the nonexistent editing and bad post-writing treatment CGL seems to consider business standard by now.
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post Mar 14 2013, 03:09 PM
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Thanks for the review, I'll probably get the file.
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post Mar 14 2013, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 14 2013, 09:10 AM) *
Review.
Reply to your review. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 14 2013, 09:10 AM) *
Okay, so let's start with the title image. The image not only looks sweet, it also hammers home the topic of the file. It shows off, but not with seminude babes (which bore me by now, more than anything else) but with hilarious simsense Johnny Spinrad-esque orc versus RL ork bum. The interior art also is quite impressive. AAS is fast becoming THE artist for Shadowrun in this era, much like Mike Jackson and Geier were in early SR. Not that the others are shabby, but he gets the feel I want Shadowrun to have best, I think. And all the detail that's speaking to dedicated fanboys like me.
Yeah, I really like the cover, and wish I could claim credit for it. But that decision was someone else, and the artwork another person who knocked it out of the park.

QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 14 2013, 09:10 AM) *
The opening story is fantastic and pretty much ... well, it deals with the one thing that defined SimSense craziness for me, early on, back when 2E was new and I had just spent two weeks' worth of pocket money on 2XS. It's just a throwaway sentence in that book, and yet it has stayed with me through all these years. This story is the story of that sentence. And it's written in a way, with tone and flavor, that is worthy of Nigel Findley.
Want to know something? Same sentence stayed with me, that's why I used it, despite there being 20-game years between when it was used and when I wrote this story. I had a copy of 2XS in my hands as I wrote it one-handed to make sure I got the feel and story right.

QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 14 2013, 09:10 AM) *
Generally, this details the SimSense and BTL usage as I have done for myself, which I of course like. I'm probably biased here, but I think that's a logical expansion on what has been written, and especially the therapeutic SimSense used to 'resocialise' criminals and addicts I have already used, as a private expansion on what SimSense can do. Also, CGL, you totally owe me brain bleach for Hannibelle's comment on snuff beetles.
I wanted to push home how dark Shadowrun really is, dystopia only goes so far as a word before people stop getting it. Hell, even Snuff Flicks wouldn't have covered it (an actress or two in Sam Raimi's original Evil Dead movie was worried he was making a snuff movie!) So, I went to the deepest, darkest places of Rule 34 of the Internet. The brain bleach is my own personal reaction to what I learned. I figured it was a nice humorous touch after hitting so dark a note.

QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 14 2013, 09:10 AM) *
As aways with Croteau's writing, it's the little details that get me. Victor Vigilante, the intro-fic referencing that one half-sentence from 2XS, the sheep. Hell, I'd pay if he wrote a "runs gone bad" PDF! I feel that, among the current writers, he is among those who most "get" Shadowrun as I love it (and kudos for the Molly Millions shout-out). Also, he's so far the only author whose /dev/grrl writeups make me actually kinda like her. AAS' fantastic art full of inside jokes (Neill!) is the icing on this delicious epub cake. Old Art has seen re-use too, but thoughtfully; the Bunraku pic is among the best Chernik did for SR, and the down-and-out junkie is the weakest art but at least fits in thematically.
Spare my blushes. I did ask for the Neil artwork I will admit (again, AAS knocked it out of the park!), and am glad someone caught the Molly Millions shout-out. As her story created the idea of Bunraku Parlors in Cyberpunk (Not sure if they existed in Sci-Fi before hand), I felt I had to include it.

QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 14 2013, 09:10 AM) *
The addiction qualities are varied, reasonably balanced, and flavorful. I know a character who has two of them out of hand, and I certainly will use them as soon as I can. That's what the system has been missing, far more than yet another combat rifle, stats for great dragons or Charm of Nurgle, the spell. As with the additional lifestyle qualities of Safehouses, this adds flavor instead of more items of +2. The new addiction list and the simsense-based drugs price list also add to the game, I think.
My Mother is a cook. I learned to season to taste. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

That said, I do loves me my gear porn books, so... Yeah, I'm their target audience for that.

QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 14 2013, 09:10 AM) *
Some small dark spots cannot be ignored, though they're a wide trend with CGL products. There are typos, more than one, and sometimes glaring. Proofing apparently wasn't effective enough. Neither was editing, some sentences look positively mangled. If editing even happened, this looks a bit like handed in close or slightly over deadline and just handed down to layout for production without any editing happening because a bad product still sells, while editing takes time that could be put to use making more sub-standard product instead.
Um, actually, some of those (in the fluff) was intentional. Turbo Bunny is drying out while she's writing that, so it not exactly at her best. Also, because her addiction is being a chiphead, she can't slot "Writer 6.0" knowsoft as she's cleaning out.

QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 14 2013, 09:10 AM) *
9/10, with one point below perfect for the nonexistent editing and bad post-writing treatment CGL seems to consider business standard by now.
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No comment about the second piece of fiction? The one that gives Bull another reason to want to beat me with my own cane? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Mar 14 2013, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 14 2013, 05:22 PM) *
Want to know something? Same sentence stayed with me, that's why I used it, despite there being 20-game years between when it was used and when I wrote this story. I had a copy of 2XS in my hands as I wrote it one-handed to make sure I got the feel and story right.

That sounds ... vaguely dirty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Mar 14 2013, 06:59 PM
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What i especially like about this pdf is that CanRay expanded the topic abit and worked out a real nice crunchy part which covers addictions.
The Author has shown profound knowledge about how why,when and how people get addicted to different stimuli and how people can control such things (actually starting with why people even want to start controlling it. The rules are a good balance between playability and simulationism.

It requires quite a bit more effort and an open mind to work yourself through such a taboo and sterotype ridden topic than just looking on the world map to find out that certain warzones which get attacked by naval forces are actually hundreds of kilometers away from the ocean ...

Some characters at our table have their share of drug problems with too. In search for better rules coverage i went to sr3 and created something which comes really close to that what CanRay wrote. It worked really well at our table and the only part which was really different is that i totally handwaived the intervalls and held track about the permanent damage (just until the next appropriate theraphy of course) already inflicted by the addiction which was already at burnout level. Its satisfying that approved authors get similar results now if i just had this rules just half a year earlier, it would have saved me alot of effort (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Its a real nice thing to read, totally worth the money and it fits the Cyberpunk definition of grey where only the way how a technology is used defines if the grey is darker or brighter. In this pdf Simsense gets clarified of what it is and what it can do how it should have been covered in Attitude which porovided some bouncy giggle jokes instead.
There are some sentences which strike me a bit as odd but for as im not a native english speaker this prolly doesnt mean too much.
All in all a real good book which made me think about the drug habits of my characters once more.

Actually when i come to think about it - the longer i play shadowrun the more compfortable i get with giving my character addictions or gaining them in play, funny.

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post Mar 14 2013, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 14 2013, 11:22 AM) *
Want to know something? Same sentence stayed with me, that's why I used it, despite there being 20-game years between when it was used and when I wrote this story. I had a copy of 2XS in my hands as I wrote it one-handed to make sure I got the feel and story right.
QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 14 2013, 12:27 PM) *
That sounds ... vaguely dirty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
When authors do it, it's called research. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 14 2013, 10:00 PM
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Authors do it from behind ... a keyboard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 14 2013, 05:00 PM) *
Authors do it from behind ... a keyboard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Apparently "One handed" behind the keyboard...
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post Mar 14 2013, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Mar 14 2013, 03:52 PM) *
Apparently "One handed" behind the keyboard...


aaanndddd, we are back to sounding dirty again...
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post Mar 15 2013, 12:32 AM
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Less about the dirty hack of an author, and more about what he just got released, SVP.
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Hm, well you're certainly crazy enough to give simsense justice.
That's a compliment btw
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post Mar 21 2013, 04:37 PM
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Enjoyed it thoroughly. Thank you very much.

Caveat: The usual level of QA

And: I've seen footage of what happened to the sheep. It was awful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 21 2013, 11:37 AM) *
I've seen footage of what happened to the sheep. It was awful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
You've seen footage of the wrong 'run then.

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You mean the thing with the troll and the banyan tree and Marjory's nephews wearing those terrible hats wasn't what happened to the sheep?
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What was the sentence from 2XS? What the hell, people, some of us couldn't really read 20 years ago :\

Also, as I've come to expect from CanRay, the book is very nice, if indeed in need of some proofreading.
In addition, while I liked the crunch provided, I wish there was more of it, maybe something like the rules for slotting moodchips in Augmentation (was it?). Like, what to do when you've been slotted with a correctional chip, what are the benefits of more complex runner-related personachips, that sort of thing.
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Here's the relevant part. Emphasis mine, but it makes a lot more sense in context.

QUOTE ("Nigel Findley: 2XS")
The throbbing in my left thigh reminded me that, unfortunately, so does everybody else. And too many people aren’t afraid to use that firepower, no matter how small the provocation. Take today, for example. The guy who shot me wasn’t even involved with the case I was working. He was just some wireheaded kid who’d slotted one too many “Slade the Sniper” chips and decided to unload his Streetline Special into a crowd of pedestrians. I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The kid’s luck wasn’t any better. Very calmly, very professionally, the guy beside me handled the situation by sending a magical fireball back along the line of fire and cooking the kid where he stood. Then the mage just as calmly moved off down an alley, and that was that. Such is life (and death) in the Awakened world.
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